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[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

And you're not fooling me by raising ethical concerns for the Reapers.

You have no idea how much the ending bothers me...
And it should bother you too...

Instead you're happily choosing what is by far the most unethical choice...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 14 avril 2013 - 06:31 .

[PsyrenY]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

That's the wonderful thing about having choices:  People can choose teh ending they prefer.  Bioware would do well to remember that.  Or relearn it as the case may be.

Choosing fanfiction does not make it stop being fanfiction. It's nothing more than denial.

[SpamBot2000]

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

That's the wonderful thing about having choices:  People can choose teh ending they prefer.  Bioware would do well to remember that.  Or relearn it as the case may be.

Choosing fanfiction does not make it stop being fanfiction. It's nothing more than denial.

Sad that BW drive people to denial. They really ought to make the grand affirmative gesture here.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

And you're not fooling me by raising ethical concerns for the Reapers.

You have no idea how much the ending bothers me...

You may be fooling yourself with your misery but you're not fooling me.

Let me show you how ridiculous that logic is by applying it elsewhere: "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken." = zomg ME1=racist!!1, treating synthetic life like just a machine to be offed at the organics' behest!

I would dare to guess ME1 never elicited misery from you, and you were happy to support IT, which (regardless the denomination) was anti-Reaper in just about every way. Don't come here acting like you're so sorry for them, smh.

And it should bother you too...

lol no, it really shouldn't. I don't like all of the messages they've pushed in this story, but that's fine, because I don't have to agree with them (nor, by extension, do I have agree with the players who also believe them).

People are entitled to their own opinion, and there's always going to be two sides to any given one. It's pointless to get hung up over what other people believe, you cannot possibly hope to control people thinking for themselves.

For someone so morally self-righteous and "holier than thou," you sure disdain this simple concept of freedom.

Instead you're happily choosing what is by far the most unethical choice...

I'm not "happily" choosing anything, I'm necessarily choosing. And in that, Sync is no more/less "bad" than the others, people just get more worked up about what they can imagine affecting them (unlike Destroy, which doesn't affect past 'bad feels').

In a perfect world, it would go something more like that "Revised ME3 Ending" link in my sig. Turns out, the world isn't quite perfect, but I'm not going to throw a hissy-fit about it.

The ending is not even the first time in the game when I pissed off some people in the process of saving them, and I'd do any one of those things again.

[Straw Nihilist]

The guy that they had voice the shuttle pilot that picked up Shepard sounded obese, I lol'd. Anyway it was horrible, I don't know what people were thinking, happy endings are overrated and lame.

Modifié par Ser Bones, 14 avril 2013 - 07:39 .

[Iakus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

That's the wonderful thing about having choices:  People can choose teh ending they prefer.  Bioware would do well to remember that.  Or relearn it as the case may be.

Choosing fanfiction does not make it stop being fanfiction. It's nothing more than denial.

And should Bioware take it as a point of pride that literally thousands of players choose "denial" over their own endings?

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Continually asking for details that don't need to be spoon-fed to you is not proper critique. Insulting the creators and anyone who likes the game(s) is not a form of tough love. Smudboy videos are not the product of passion. He's not even looking for a good debate (believe me I've tried to engage him but he blocked me). He's looking for one big, pseudo-intellectual circle jerk.

But this is exactly what he wants. He wants a reputation and I feel like a tool for even talking about him.

EDIT:

This wasn't a reply to the post above.

am i right, that the edit-comment was directed at me? i hope so, because i did not want to defend smudboys manner in any way. he can be quite insulting and even imho, too keen on finding plot inconsitancies.

but he has some points. there are heavy problems with the mass effect endings and some things are too far fetched and too "alice in wonderland" to ignore them.

[Bill Casey]

You're confusing tolerance and respect for diversity with ethical subjectivism and relativism...
That's a common issue with students in ethics courses...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 14 avril 2013 - 07:39 .

[Ieldra]

Bill Casey wrote...
You're confusing tolerance and respect for diversity with ethical subjectivism and relativism...
That's a common issue with students in ethics courses...

Has it ever occurred to you that that might mean ethics students have a better idea of ethics than you? People have been debating what's right and wrong for thousands of years, and you presume to know the objective truth? That's not just intolerance, that's hubris.

That you find things offensive and morally reprehensible says absolutely nothing about whether they actually are that, and neither whether they can be that at all in any objective sense.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
You're confusing tolerance and respect for diversity with ethical subjectivism and relativism...
That's a common issue with students in ethics courses...

Has it ever occurred to you that that might mean ethics students have a better idea of ethics than you? People have been debating what's right and wrong for thousands of years, and you presume to know the objective truth? That's not just intolerance, that's hubris.

That you find things offensive and morally reprehensible says absolutely nothing about whether they actually are that, and neither whether they can be that at all in any objective sense.

Ideologues gonna... ideologue.

[wright1978]

MEHEM removes the comically awful plot device that is the bratalyst from the game, so as far as i'm concerned it is a huge improvement on the official trainwreck of an ending.

[OdanUrr]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

Its the mod for all that QQd about the ending. Happy endings is just something that happends in thailand.

I love how people attack the "happiness" of it when it does the best thing ever to the story: It removes the god awful Catalyst that breaks the entire plot.

It just hit me, does it remove all references to the Catalyst throughout the game as well?

[zeypher]

wright1978 wrote...

MEHEM removes the comically awful plot device that is the bratalyst from the game, so as far as i'm concerned it is a huge improvement on the official trainwreck of an ending.

i prefer MEHEM for this reason as well. 

[ruggly]

I'll take the horribly cliched fan fiction that makes me emotionally satisfied ending over interesting ideas but completely and horribly botched with that info dump and sacrificial ending that makes want to slam my head against a desk.

It all comes down to what you prefer. Don't like it, don't use it.

[Wayning_Star]

MEHEM is just a variation of the IT. Out of story reality applied. Have to 'see IT' like it is...

[spockjedi]

iakus wrote...

And should Bioware take it as a point of pride that literally thousands of players choose "denial" over their own endings?

This. If your fans prefer to think that an hallucination makes more sense than your ending, or that your ending becomes much better if substantial parts are removed from it, then you really screwed up.

[Wynterdust]

Abit... tacky for my personal taste but if it makes some players happy then it is not a bad thing.
I personally like the ending so I would never use it myself but there is absolutely no reason for some to say others shouldn't use it.
Something I always think: If a piece of art or writing makes just one person happy it is a success.

[WarrantyVoider]

Wynterdust wrote...

Something I always think: If a piece of art or writing makes just one person happy it is a success.

thats actually a good one, prepare to be cited alot  (at least by me^^)

greetz WV

[Benchpress610]

OdanUrr wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

Its the mod for all that QQd about the ending. Happy endings is just something that happends in thailand.

I love how people attack the "happiness" of it when it does the best thing ever to the story: It removes the god awful Catalyst that breaks the entire plot.

It just hit me, does it remove all references to the Catalyst throughout the game as well?

No, it doesn’t…. But at first nobody knows what the Catalyst is, just that it’s needed for the Crucible to work. Then, after the assault on TIM’s base (not sure about the timing), it is discovered that the Catalyst is the Citadel.
 
MEHEM takes over before the holo-kid ever appears, so is consistent with previous in-game narrative…the weapon is completed by docking the citadel with the crucible.

[Big Bad]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

Its the mod for all that QQd about the ending. Happy endings is just something that happends in thailand.

I love how people attack the "happiness" of it when it does the best thing ever to the story: It removes the god awful Catalyst that breaks the entire plot.

Yep.  Lack of the Catalyst is why I have MEHEM installed.

[cljqnsnyc]

Hey! How bout this:

If you like one of the 3 colors, pick one.

If you like one of the 3 colors, or the 4th in the EC, pick one.

If you like the MEHEM, install it.

How hard is that? It's amazing how difficult it is for people to let other people play a game and choose the ending to THEIR game, that they want.

Did everyone romance the same people? No. No complaints.

Did every choose the same class? No. No complaints.

Did everyone have the same favorites? No. No complaints.

Did everyone choose the same ending? No but

COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!

Ask yourself, why complain about something that has no affect on you?

[cfs3corsair]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Hey! How bout this:

If you like one of the 3 colors, pick one.

If you like one of the 3 colors, or the 4th in the EC, pick one.

If you like the MEHEM, install it.

How hard is that? It's amazing how difficult it is for people to let other people play a game and choose the ending to THEIR game, that they want.

Did everyone romance the same people? No. No complaints.

Did every choose the same class? No. No complaints.

Did everyone have the same favorites? No. No complaints.

Did everyone choose the same ending? No but

COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!

Ask yourself, why complain about something that has no affect on you?

Finally, a voice of moderation!

*salute*

[Asharad Hett]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Ask yourself, why complain about something that has no affect on you?

I encourage you to run for political office.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 26 juin 2013 - 09:38 .

[SilJeff]

PinkToolTheater wrote...

MEHEM (Mass Effect Hater Extended Movie) is a mod that makes:

1)
Leonardo DiCaprio survive the Titanic incident (because
freeze-in-the-water-thesis is stupid and unscientific. MEHEM ignores
Iceberg kid logic and allows climbing on the door)
2) Gives you the
option of convincing the Japanese to stop the war (dropping the nukes is
bad story telling - Screw you Casey Hudson)
3) Arnold "Legion"
Schwarzenegger survives the molten metal cauldron (MEHEM refuses Skynet
brat logic, so Arnie doesn't need to destroy the final chip and can live
happily with John. John Connor, not John Shepard).

It truly is the most logical and proper ending to the story!

PinkToolTheater wrote...

I forgot to mention, MEHEM also makes:

4) War Assets matter. Thus if you gather enough armies of the north, Maximus Decimus Meridius both has his vengeance and survives (happy ending available).
5) Makes Wilson return in Cast Away, because Wilson floating away is edgy, ambigious, grimdark, pretentiously artistic, moronic, lorebreaking, contradicting and simply bad writing (screw you Mac Walters, you tasteless hack)

now THAT is my all time favorite post in BSN.

But, I will agree with this:

Olooka wrote...

I tried MEHEM just today. And despite the
obvious great amount of work put in its making, I like the EC endings
better. I like my Shepard dead. But you should definitely try it OP, it
is well made and is a nice alternative ending.

Modifié par SilJeff, 26 juin 2013 - 10:22 .

[Bill Casey]

It's also among the most incorrect, as MEHEM is about Anderson's death, and it is by far closer to the films mentioned than the ending Bioware gave...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 juin 2013 - 10:08 .