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[GenericEnemy]

if romanced in DAO, are they even together anymore? maybe it's just me, but her codex entry, current role etc kind of make it seem otherwise. :/

[NovaBlastMarketing]

It is possible they could be the at the  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is trying to find out what happen to them.

( although you might get "book" people in here stating lore that has happened in the books ...."imo"  book lore does not count only in game lore does)

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 02:45 .

[GenericEnemy]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

The could be the att he  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is trying to find out what happen to them.

( although you might get "book" people in here stating lore "imo"  book lore does not count only game lore does)

was it ever clarified when exactly the Warden went missing though? As of act 3, he/she still seems to be around...

[Angrywolves]

Supposedly the books aren't considered canon, meaning the games aren't bound by what happens in the book.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

GenericEnemy wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

The could be the att he  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is trying to find out what happen to them.

( although you might get "book" people in here stating lore "imo"  book lore does not count only game lore does)

was it ever clarified when exactly the Warden went missing though? As of act 3, he/she still seems to be around...

you have to remember the "game" is not  in real time ...  we don't  know how long  its been    the "game" is simply  varrics  story ( I believe it takes  place over 10 years ?   i  have to look that up again.)   he is telling when  he is in  seeker custody .

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 02:52 .

[Zeldrik1389]

On one of my DA:O saves, I got my Warden romance, and then travel with Leliana after the blight. Same save import to DA 2 and I remember Leliana did mention Warden was dear to her (I think during Mark of Assassin? or Sebastian's quest?) but nothing further than that though. Maybe it will be stated in DA:I or later games as one of the reasons why she's looking for him

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

The
could be the att he  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing
and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is
trying to find out what happen to them.

( although you might get "book" people in here stating lore "imo"  book lore does not count only game lore does)

was it ever clarified when exactly the Warden went missing though? As of act 3, he/she still seems to be around...

you
have to remember the "game" is not  in real time ...  we don't  know
how long  its been    the "game" is simply  varrics  story ( I believe
it takes  place over 10 years ?   i  have to look that up again.)   he
is telling when  he is in  seeker custody .

I think it's about 10 years, yeah. DA 2 started right after Battle of Ostagar. By the end of act 3, it'd been 7 years since Hawke came to Kirkwall, probably around 6 years after the Blight ended. Varric was captured by the Seekers, I would say, about couple years after Anders blew up the Chantry so It would be  8 - 10 years after the end of DA:O I think

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 14 avril 2013 - 02:58 .

[gangly369]

It would be neat (and I'm personally hoping for this) if Leliana became a party member for DA:I, and if you romanced her in the first game then she wouldn't be available for romance in Inqusition. Likewise, if you didn't romance her Leliana would become available.

Just a cool thing I think Bioware could do with the import feature

[NovaBlastMarketing]

gangly369 wrote...

It would be neat (and I'm personally hoping for this) if Leliana became a party member for DA:I, and if you romanced her in the first game then she wouldn't be available for romance in Inqusition. Likewise, if you didn't romance her Leliana would become available.

Just a cool thing I think Bioware could do with the import feature

+ alot

 I  just have one mino diagreement if  they  never  plan  on using the warden again though .....as a  main pc   I still want to  romance her 

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 03:02 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

gangly369 wrote...

It would be neat (and I'm personally hoping for this) if Leliana became a party member for DA:I, and if you romanced her in the first game then she wouldn't be available for romance in Inqusition. Likewise, if you didn't romance her Leliana would become available.

Just a cool thing I think Bioware could do with the import feature

I would definitely be pretty pissed off if they didn't do this. <_<

Not gonna lie, Leliana completely forgetting about the Warden and jumping on the Inquisitor would make me really bloody sad. Her going off to work for the Divine despite my epilogues was bad enough for me...

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 14 avril 2013 - 03:11 .

[andy6915]

Speaking of Leliana, I don't trust her. I made a topic way back about just that.

http://social.biowar...ndex/15610261/1


"I started out trusting her absolutely for the first year or so after Origins came out, on every playthrough. But for the last year, I'm not sure. Marjolaine says that she's just using you, not to trust her one bit. But of course, that's coming from a paranoid narcissist. But then Leliana herself says that she had mastered the game of becoming what a person would like and trust most as a way of getting closer, to become whatever that person would most like and trust and possibly love. She admits it herself. She can change her personality to fit whatever kind of person she's trying to manipulate. She doesn't even need a reason probably, she likely just finds it fun to do it. So even if she doesn't have a specific mission, she might still be playing her game simply because she enjoys screwing with people.

That conversation, after enough playthroughs to make me think about it, has caused me to trust her far less then I used to. She could just be using you, manipulating you. It could be because some secret mission, it could be to slip Marjolaine's net, just as she suspected. It could have even been her realizing that getting close to you and becoming your "friend" would allow her to use you as a blunt instrument to kill Marjolaine, she would just have to play innocent and sweet and point you toward her and watch the blood fly. Or it could be what I read on TVtropes.

"Marjolaine was right about Leliana. Leliana could not stay away from the Great Game. The Blight was just an excuse to get back into the Game. While the reasons Leliana returns to intrigue may ultimately change if hardened or not, the fact is that the dramatic events around her are the things bards sing about in epic ballads. The once in a lifetime/Age chance to play with stakes as high as the fate of nations and the lives of every one in Fereldan and possibly beyond, was too great lure to resist. And if played skillfully enough, end up OPENLY becoming the mistress of the King of Fereldan (while being an Orlesian!) and confessing being a Bard/Sp/Assassin to said King's face, and perhaps be more loved then the Queen by said King AND Chantry (as a lay sister) with Orlesian support to boot! Her children might actually be royalty one day... playing the game far better than Marjolaine could have dreamed."

Even if not, her adventure with you got her into the Divine's direct emply as her "left hand". Also impressive.

Or it could have just been her toying with you for her ammusment.


Which brings me to the third game. We know she's going to be very important. The writers have made certain she survives Origins no matter what, with some nonsense about the ashes saving her. She also survives every book. They've made sure to keep her alive no matter what you do, because they have plans for her that Bioware won't let you ruin. She could even join your party. So how much can we trust her in DA3? Will anything get revealed that confirms my worries about her tricking you? Will she be an ally? Could she even be a traitor who turns on your party and becomes one of your main enemies? I honestly don't know, myself. Leliana is the kind of person who could be your greatest ally or your greatest enemy depending on the writing, and neither would in any way feel like it is out of character. She's written to be able to swing either way and it work. I suppose the first hints will be if her personality seems different, as if she's a different person to you then she was to the Warden. That would be evidence that she indeed was just using a false personality... Or that was her true self and she's using a false one of the DA3 protagonist.

So what is everyone else's thoughts?"

Modifié par andy69156915, 14 avril 2013 - 03:38 .

[GenericEnemy]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

 I  just have one mino diagreement if  they  never  plan  on using the warden again though .....as a  main pc   I still want to  romance her 

imo, if they never use the Warden again they should never use Leliana again either...

[GenericEnemy]

andy69156915 wrote...

*snip*

i'd rather you didn't open that can of worms here...this has nothing to do with that... :/

Modifié par GenericEnemy, 14 avril 2013 - 03:44 .

[Senya]

I think she is genuinely good-hearted and will support whatever actions will bring a lasting peace, but, given her background and the desperation in the situation, she could be convinced to go along with less savory actions with a high persuade skill and the right dialogue.

[Typhrus]

andy69156915 wrote...

Speaking of Leliana, I don't trust her. I made a topic way back about just that.

http://social.biowar...ndex/15610261/1


"I started out trusting her absolutely for the first year or so after Origins came out, on every playthrough. But for the last year, I'm not sure. Marjolaine says that she's just using you, not to trust her one bit. But of course, that's coming from a paranoid narcissist. But then Leliana herself says that she had mastered the game of becoming what a person would like and trust most as a way of getting closer, to become whatever that person would most like and trust and possibly love. She admits it herself. She can change her personality to fit whatever kind of person she's trying to manipulate. She doesn't even need a reason probably, she likely just finds it fun to do it. So even if she doesn't have a specific mission, she might still be playing her game simply because she enjoys screwing with people.

That conversation, after enough playthroughs to make me think about it, has caused me to trust her far less then I used to. She could just be using you, manipulating you. It could be because some secret mission, it could be to slip Marjolaine's net, just as she suspected. It could have even been her realizing that getting close to you and becoming your "friend" would allow her to use you as a blunt instrument to kill Marjolaine, she would just have to play innocent and sweet and point you toward her and watch the blood fly. Or it could be what I read on TVtropes.

"Marjolaine was right about Leliana. Leliana could not stay away from the Great Game. The Blight was just an excuse to get back into the Game. While the reasons Leliana returns to intrigue may ultimately change if hardened or not, the fact is that the dramatic events around her are the things bards sing about in epic ballads. The once in a lifetime/Age chance to play with stakes as high as the fate of nations and the lives of every one in Fereldan and possibly beyond, was too great lure to resist. And if played skillfully enough, end up OPENLY becoming the mistress of the King of Fereldan (while being an Orlesian!) and confessing being a Bard/Sp/Assassin to said King's face, and perhaps be more loved then the Queen by said King AND Chantry (as a lay sister) with Orlesian support to boot! Her children might actually be royalty one day... playing the game far better than Marjolaine could have dreamed."

Even if not, her adventure with you got her into the Divine's direct emply as her "left hand". Also impressive.

Or it could have just been her toying with you for her ammusment.


Which brings me to the third game. We know she's going to be very important. The writers have made certain she survives Origins no matter what, with some nonsense about the ashes saving her. She also survives every book. They've made sure to keep her alive no matter what you do, because they have plans for her that Bioware won't let you ruin. She could even join your party. So how much can we trust her in DA3? Will anything get revealed that confirms my worries about her tricking you? Will she be an ally? Could she even be a traitor who turns on your party and becomes one of your main enemies? I honestly don't know, myself. Leliana is the kind of person who could be your greatest ally or your greatest enemy depending on the writing, and neither would in any way feel like it is out of character. She's written to be able to swing either way and it work. I suppose the first hints will be if her personality seems different, as if she's a different person to you then she was to the Warden. That would be evidence that she indeed was just using a false personality... Or that was her true self and she's using a false one of the DA3 protagonist.

So what is everyone else's thoughts?"

Haha I remember that thread. Got into a fight with someone who was missing my point. I still by the fact that there still isn't enough evidence within the game to suggest that she left the warden without a 2nd thought. It still leaves open the possibility that she is duplicitous, and playing her own game. But then, why does everything have to revolve around the warden, other people do have their own lives too!

Also thinking back on her character, if she really is duplicitous, then she's one of the better written characters by Bioware. Although most of the cast in DA:O were generally well written.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

On one of my DA:O saves, I got my Warden romance, and then travel with Leliana after the blight. Same save import to DA 2 and I remember Leliana did mention Warden was dear to her (I think during Mark of Assassin? or Sebastian's quest?) but nothing further than that though. Maybe it will be stated in DA:I or later games as one of the reasons why she's looking for him

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

The
could be the att he  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing
and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is
trying to find out what happen to them.

( although you might get "book" people in here stating lore "imo"  book lore does not count only game lore does)

was it ever clarified when exactly the Warden went missing though? As of act 3, he/she still seems to be around...

you
have to remember the "game" is not  in real time ...  we don't  know
how long  its been    the "game" is simply  varrics  story ( I believe
it takes  place over 10 years ?   i  have to look that up again.)   he
is telling when  he is in  seeker custody .

I think it's about 10 years, yeah. DA 2 started right after Battle of Ostagar. By the end of act 3, it'd been 7 years since Hawke came to Kirkwall, probably around 6 years after the Blight ended. Varric was captured by the Seekers, I would say, about couple years after Anders blew up the Chantry so It would be  8 - 10 years after the end of DA:O I think

If that is the case then  warden  would not have much time left in his life  if any  by DAI

If I remember correctly   Alistair gave  him 30 years ... but was also  said  wardens  head into the deep roads before that to meet their end while they  still can swing  a sword and kill darkspawn  ....So it could be that is what  he has done  as well.

After saying that Alister should be close if not gone already . If he is still alive DAI then so is the Warden unless he died by other means .

GenericEnemy wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

 I  just have one mino diagreement if  they  never  plan  on using the warden again though .....as a  main pc   I still want to  romance her 

imo, if they never use the Warden again they should never use Leliana again either...

 have to disagree  with you .....

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 03:50 .

[Angrywolves]

Leliana won't be a party member in DAI. Most likely an npc.

[andy6915]

Angrywolves wrote...

Leliana won't be a party member in DAI. Most likely an npc.

You're so sure of that? Bioware has pretty much done with her what they did with Liara in ME, keeping her alive no matter what through the second game so that she's in a perfect position to return as a party member.

[GenericEnemy]

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

[andy6915]

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

Wasn't my post's fault if so. My post was on-topic, as it dealt directly with her relationship to the Warden.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

and this suprises  you  ..   I  to see a  white knight/ hater  t hread  approching .....

[GenericEnemy]

andy69156915 wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

Wasn't my post's fault if so. My post was on-topic, as it dealt directly with her relationship to the Warden.

perhaps, but still, i asked if the warden and Leliana were still together, not the whole can Leliana be trusted debate again...

but, now that it's been brought up and is in here i might as well pitch in; do you really think bioware would be ballsy enough to ****** off a character's fanbase like that?

Modifié par GenericEnemy, 14 avril 2013 - 04:07 .

[andy6915]

GenericEnemy wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

Wasn't my post's fault if so. My post was on-topic, as it dealt directly with her relationship to the Warden.

perhaps, but still, i asked if the warden and Leliana were still together, not the whole can Leliana be trusted debate again...

but, now that it's been brought up i might as well pitch in; do you really think bioware would be ballsy enough to ****** off a character's fanbase like that?

After releasing ME3 in its original non-EC version and doing that thing with the photoshop of Tali's face? Yes. Bioware doesn't really care if their fanbase gets mad. Whether that's commendable or horrible, I'm not sure.

Besides, it would make Leliana one of the most interesting characters in the series. I even like Leliana, so don't think I hate her or anything. I don't really trust Morrigan either, but like her too and usually max her approval.

Modifié par andy69156915, 14 avril 2013 - 04:10 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

GenericEnemy wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

Wasn't my post's fault if so. My post was on-topic, as it dealt directly with her relationship to the Warden.

perhaps, but still, i asked if the warden and Leliana were still together, not the whole can Leliana be trusted debate again...

but, now that it's been brought up and is in here i might as well pitch in; do you really think bioware would be ballsy enough to ****** off a character's fanbase like that?

 Ummm have you never  played ME3 ??????????????????????????

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 04:11 .

[GenericEnemy]

touche.

still, i don't think that would be a good move.

[robertthebard]

GenericEnemy wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

welp, now i detect mass derailment in this thread's future...

Wasn't my post's fault if so. My post was on-topic, as it dealt directly with her relationship to the Warden.

perhaps, but still, i asked if the warden and Leliana were still together, not the whole can Leliana be trusted debate again...

but, now that it's been brought up and is in here i might as well pitch in; do you really think bioware would be ballsy enough to ****** off a character's fanbase like that?

Yes.  If it suits their story, they would.