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[robertthebard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

I guess your Warden was kind of weak in game then, because I desecrated the ashes, and told her to shut up, and then went back to camp and got laid, by Leliana.  That's what strong people do.

so you quess that my Warden was weakling just because he was not spare her miserable and deceitful life,  and not even trying?

so why your Warden did not kill her?

why you thought her worthy of your Warden mercy for that?

and why it makes him strong for that decision?

In my evil playthrough, the rationale for sparing Leiliana was something like "boink-boink-boink, we're doing it like a pair of rabbits." Which I thought was a funnier way to handle the situation than the one you chose, in that you defile her Prophet's remains, she swears never to forgive you, and then back at camp she folds into your arms without a hint of protest or fear.

As for "weak," a better term might be "non-persuasive." Or if that wasn't why, "completely insane" might capture it. (Unless you just didn't like Leiliana. Then, you know, just "homicidal.")

Nah, weak was what I meant.  Strong people don't have to kill their enemies, they subjugate them.

Note, however, that I only did that for the achievement, and in that save, once I get back around to it, I'm also going to keep the Anvil, these were the two things I had yet to do in the main game.  I have never had to, nor desired to kill Leliana.  Even if I'm not pursuing the romance, I love to listen to her talk.

[Kulyok]

The thing is, the players who chose Leliana romance in DAO didn't know they'd have to put up with a long-distance relationship(or possibly a future break up) - not before DA2 came out, because DAO and DAA promised a together forever, if your romance flags were set.

Now we see that Leliana goes about her business alone, that she doesn't even know where the Warden is, and that she expresses some ideas about the mages that could be abhorrent to a Warden mage who romanced her, for instance. Which seems a little like cheating - especially if one is in love with the character. I'm lucky that I'm not, but I can understand those disappointed people who romanced her and now see that she's prancing about instead of staying with her lover(husband?) and her family.

[Blazingkats]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

I feel enlightened.

i have no idea why i didn't realize this before.

And perhaps if your Warden is Dalish, Merrill really DID see Mahariel in the Lowtown market.

Mind=blown.

huh?!?!

No idea how it goes if you didn't import a Dalish Warden, but if you did Merrill mentions thinking she saw Mahariel in the Lowtown market, and then remarks how ridiculous that is. 

Just an interpretation...maybe it isn't ridiculous at all...it's in act 3, right when Leliana shows up too... 

eh but my Dalish Warden went through the mirror with Morrigan ¬¬ but it would be cool if she did actually see him and that he was back.

[Heimdall]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

if romanced in DAO, are they even together anymore? maybe it's just me, but her codex entry, current role etc kind of make it seem otherwise. :/

Leliana left the warden in Awakening, "to answer the Grand Cleric," she wrote. As far as I concern, she and the warden never been together after the end of DAO. They went their separate way. Apparently, she lost contact with the warden by the end of DA 2. My warden never wanted her to be part of the Chantry but she wanted to devote her life to the heretics, so be it.  It doesn't matter anymore. She lied when she promise to be whatever end my warden will be before the battle with the Archdemon. Therefore, she is as good as dead to me. 

I was never given the impression that Leliana going to the Grand Cleric was meant to be permanent.  She mentions hoping to see roses planted at the Vigil, teasingly, in the same letter.  It seemed implied that she intended to rejoin the Warden.  As far as I'm concerned, she did revisit the Vigil for long periods prior to the Warden's disappearance.  Being with someone doesn't mean they cease to exist as separate beings with their own ambitions and ideas.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 15 avril 2013 - 04:19 .

[Zeldrik1389]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

if romanced in DAO, are they even together anymore? maybe it's just me, but her codex entry, current role etc kind of make it seem otherwise. :/

Leliana left the warden in Awakening, "to answer the Grand Cleric," she wrote. As far as I concern, she and the warden never been together after the end of DAO. They went their separate way. Apparently, she lost contact with the warden by the end of DA 2. My warden never wanted her to be part of the Chantry but she wanted to devote her life to the heretics, so be it.  It doesn't matter anymore. She lied when she promise to be whatever end my warden will be before the battle with the Archdemon. Therefore, she is as good as dead to me. 

I was never given the impression that Leliana going to the Grand Cleric was meant to be permanent.  She mentions hoping to see roses planted at the Vigil, teasingly, in the same letter.  It seemed implied that she intended to rejoin the Warden.  As far as I'm concerned, she did revisit the Vigil for long periods prior to the Warden's disappearance.  Being with someone doesn't mean they cease to exist as separate beings with their own ambitions and ideas.

"Some claimed the commander
reunited with the red-haired bard known as Leliana and that they
adventure together still. The pair were spotted together in Denerim a
year after the Blight's end. No matter the truth, the commander never
did return to Vigil's Keep."

I got this at the end of Awakening, so yeah, I think she did rejoin the Warden after the events in DAOA. I think they got seperated somewhere between DAOA and act 3 of DA 2, which was around 5 - 6 years. So I guess, they did travel together for few years, then the Warden disappear and she joined the Seekers (and maybe still looking for him?)

[Nightdragon8]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

gangly369 wrote...

It would be neat (and I'm personally hoping for this) if Leliana became a party member for DA:I, and if you romanced her in the first game then she wouldn't be available for romance in Inqusition. Likewise, if you didn't romance her Leliana would become available.

Just a cool thing I think Bioware could do with the import feature

+ alot

 I  just have one mino diagreement if  they  never  plan  on using the warden again though .....as a  main pc   I still want to  romance her 

same love the idea. and the same for Isabella if you pick the "stay exclusive" type options

[Senya]

I get the feeling that the Warden disappeared rather than Leliana leaving him. Not even she knows where he is, after all.

[Itkovian]

Of course... in my continuity the Warden (that guy right there in my avatar) did the ultimate sacrifice and gave his life to ensure the destruction of an Old God.

So Leliana currently carries the burden of her lost love as she tries to hold together the world he died saving.

Rather tragic, admittedly.

[GenericEnemy]

Itkovian wrote...

Of course... in my continuity the Warden (that guy right there in my avatar) did the ultimate sacrifice and gave his life to ensure the destruction of an Old God.

So Leliana currently carries the burden of her lost love as she tries to hold together the world he died saving.

Rather tragic, admittedly.

sometimes i wish i did that.

it'd be nice to be certain what exactly is going on with the Warden...

[Robhuzz]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

gangly369 wrote...

It would be neat (and I'm personally hoping for this) if Leliana became a party member for DA:I, and if you romanced her in the first game then she wouldn't be available for romance in Inqusition. Likewise, if you didn't romance her Leliana would become available.

Just a cool thing I think Bioware could do with the import feature

I would definitely be pretty pissed off if they didn't do this. <_<

Not gonna lie, Leliana completely forgetting about the Warden and jumping on the Inquisitor would make me really bloody sad. Her going off to work for the Divine despite my epilogues was bad enough for me...

Can't imagine much WORSE things happening than that. Leliana completely forgetting about my Warden and doing what you said would probably be enough to completely ruin the franchise for me.

OT: Leliana mentions the Warden is dear to her if you romanced her in DAO. My guess is that they're still together, though duty drove them apart...for now. I hope they don't do something to mess that up and that by the end of DA:I my Warden and Leliana can be together again, never to be mentioned in future games again. Might be wishful thinking but I like my endings happy 

Modifié par Robhuzz, 17 avril 2013 - 04:24 .

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

 I think the best possible solution to make everyone happy and add to replayability would be to make the inquisitor as blank a slate as possible so as to allow the player to essentially re create the inquisitor as their warden or even as hawke if they so desired. The "blank slate" approach lets the player define who the char is throughout this game and from run through to run through it adds replayability. Something origins had and da2 didn't.

actualy if all the "origins" will do in this game is give a few dialogue changes then I don't see a reason why a general "warden" or "champion" ending would not work for the protagonist of this game.

let the player go through the effort of recreating thier warden/hawke in the facegen without import.  A generic "origin" covering them as either warden or hawke would work.

and give imported romance a boost or not (the only potential romanced party member seems to be leliana at this point anyway).

Modifié par Bluto Blutarskyx, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:37 .

[thats1evildude]

The last thing I would is simply re-create an old character in a new game.

[TheKomandorShepard]

my warden was pro mage (at least so much as game allowed it) it would be hilarious if he would kill her but i won't get it because game thinks that our character care about Li even if you play with them and kiss everyone in our path.

[Former_Fiend]

azarhal wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

It is possible they could be the at the  end of DA2 we learn warden is currently missing and So is the Champion I belive she is part of the Seekers and is trying to find out what happen to them.

Cassandra is the one who says that the Warden is missing, for all we know Leliana might know and just not say it since her mission is apparently looking for Hawke and not the Warden.

^this, sort of.

I always took Cassandra's "Gone, just like the Warden" as a sarcastic shot at Leliana because she doesn't want to tell where he/she went or why he/she is gone. Just like Varric isn't interested in telling where Hawke is.

I would personally like to think that my warden isn't that much of a jerk that with the world going to hell he's going to be pretending to be missing. 

I suppose this is up for interpretation, but as far as my own head-canon goes, Warden and Hawke are missing because something happened to them, and neither Varricor Leliana knows where they are.

[GenericEnemy]

damn, someone went fishing to find this thread.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Try scuba diving.

[SirGladiator]

I played DAO many times, and most of the time I romanced Leliana. If anyone's Warden romanced her, I'd definitely want to see her still with Leliana after all these years. Whether that involves Leliana tracking her down, or Leliana knowing all along where she was, either way is fine. Just so long as Leliana and the Warden are still together. Of course if you romanced somebody else in DAO, Leliana would sure make for a nice LI for DAI, whether she's a teammate or not. She's my favorite LI in the series, and she deserves to be happy, with the Warden (or the Inquisitor if the Warden didn't romance her), leading the Chantry and helping bring peace and love to the world for many, many decades to come.

[Han Shot First]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

if romanced in DAO, are they even together anymore? maybe it's just me, but her codex entry, current role etc kind of make it seem otherwise. :/

Leliana left the warden in Awakening, "to answer the Grand Cleric," she wrote. As far as I concern, she and the warden never been together after the end of DAO. They went their separate way. Apparently, she lost contact with the warden by the end of DA 2.  

My take on Leliana and the Warden is that they're kind of like Geralt and Yennefer from the Witcher. They occasionally spend long periods of time apart and might even go through periods were they are separated (and not just by distance), but always end up back together and are otherwise soul mates. Or at least that's my head canon to explain the disconnect between DA:O's epilogue, and Leliana's role and dialogue in DA2.

To be clear I'm also talking about The Witcher books, since in the game the player can decide Geralt prefers Triss.