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[JasonShepard]

Dunabar wrote...

If a person needs MEHEM to feel better about playing Mass effect, then more to them in my opinion. However...

While I'm happy they found a means of getting their desired ending, I still don't count MEHEM as a true ending in the series. It's just a fan generated bit of work which does deserve respect for the work that was put into it, but in the end it's still just fan generated, and not one of the true endings of Mass effect 3.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm hating on the mod, I promise I'm not. I just don't count it as one of the true possible endings of Mass effect 3. Till BioWare acknowledges MEHEM as one of the true possible endings, it will still forever be a fan made creation.

Once more I'm not hating on the mod, I just cannot count it as one of the true endings of ME3.

If it makes you happy though, go for it.

Pretty much this.

I'm of the opinion that whatever you decide to be canon, is canon. So if MEHEM is your canon, good for you. My canon is Control, followed the fic I'm currently writing.

My main problem with MEHEM is that it is, unfortunately, visibly a mod. MrFob did the best he could with what he had, but unfortunately what he had wasn't enough. The Normandy pick-up scene just doesn't click for me. And I can tell where in the games all of Joker's dialogue is coming from. I do wonder if MrFob ought to get in touch with the Marauder Shields bunch and ask to borrow their voice actors...

My other main problem isn't with MEHEM - it's with some (not most - probably not even many) of MEHEM's fans. Cool, MEHEM is good for you, it gave you the ending you wanted. I'm pleased for you, and I respect that. But please, don't dis my ending. Thank-you.

[Ecrulis]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The reason people attack it is lingering animosity against the retakers. They always claimed they weren't upset because the ending was sad. They always said they had such great reasons for being upset. And then every single time something came along that made things happier, regardless of whether or not it made sense, they got happier.

You can understand why people would harbor ill will to this group of entitled half-wits that destroyed this community for the sake of their waifus.

Wow, I thought this was going to be a boring thread, but you made it quite interesting. I never really had much of an opinion about MEHEM. If it helps people get over the ending, that's okay, but I would never use it because I can't deviate from the canon that freely. But you have just pointed out MEHEM's critical flaw: the word "happy". The title completely undermines the argument that upset fans wanted more than a straightforward happy ending.

To be fair the original did still have Shep die and many do prefer that version of the mod, personally I dont see how its a problem for people to want a possibility for a well written happy ending, while MEHEM is not a paragon of writting it does still remove the catalyst, some people wanted both...I know shocking.

Just because something is happy doesnt make it cheesy or bad

conversely just because something is bittersweet or grim-dark does not make it edgy, artistic or well done

[Wayning_Star]

the idea of MEHEM denotes the need for alternate canon. This is, or could be considered a demand that all users require it. A form of contention, as those who incorporated it are implicitly demanding others do so, or the game story, as is, has less/no merit.

Just say'n

[Khelish]

If people like MEHEM, so that?

Mods don't hurt anyone. Mods may not be canonical, though that doesn't mean I don't support them.

[Wayning_Star]

Khelish wrote...

If people like MEHEM, so that?

Mods don't hurt anyone. Mods may not be canonical, though that doesn't mean I don't support them.

MEHEM is so-so, but it's fundamental alteration of the core game reality, alternate allusion,immersion as alternate canon, goes beyond the usual "Mod". The 'canonical' aspect is the attraction. (or should say, sales hype)

[Seival]

SDW wrote...

There's one thing that keeps happening when someone mentions MEHEM:
Some people who enjoyed the original ending come on the thread and angrily complain about and mock the mod.
I don't get it. It's an optional thing that you are not forced to install. So nobody is taking what you liked away from you.

What are you trying to say? To me, this comes across as "Oh, *you* were unhappy about the original ending? Well, *I* was not and thus I hereby declare you have no right to seek for other ways of ending the story that you and I both played."  Does their happiness anger you? Why that? I can only hypothesize it's got to do with the bitterness with which the ending debate was sometimes led and that those attacking MEHEM might feel it makes the pro-ending side "lose" in some way. But it doesn't - how would it? It's just people acting on something they disliked instead of just complaining about it. (Incidentally, wasn't that one of the things that was sometimes criticized - that anti-enders keep on "whining" about the ending and should stop that, dead horse and all?)

Please try to look at it this way: It's great for you that you had a wonderful run from start to finish. Other people would love to *share* that very same experience. MEHEM is a possible way for them.
They're not your enemies. They're here for the same reason as you after all - they're fellow fans. 

Your beloved mode is a fan-fiction. Why are you so surprised that it faces a lot of opposition in story section of the forums?

Don't wanna MEHEM hate? Don't start discussions about it in the official story section. It's as simple as that.

[Khelish]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Khelish wrote...

If people like MEHEM, so that?

Mods don't hurt anyone. Mods may not be canonical, though that doesn't mean I don't support them.

MEHEM is so-so, but it's fundamental alteration of the core game reality, alternate allusion,immersion as alternate canon, goes beyond the usual "Mod". The 'canonical' aspect is the attraction. (or should say, sales hype)

So what? 

This mod doesn't hurt you, me, or anyone else that doesn't use it.

As long as they acknowledge it is not the actual "canon", I have no problems.

If my PC could handle Mass Effect, I would give MEHEM a try.

[Neizd]

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

Modifié par Neizd, 14 avril 2013 - 02:50 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

*shrugs* they can hate it all they want, the mod will still exist and people will continue to use it.

Problem?

[robertthebard]

Ecrulis wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The reason people attack it is lingering animosity against the retakers. They always claimed they weren't upset because the ending was sad. They always said they had such great reasons for being upset. And then every single time something came along that made things happier, regardless of whether or not it made sense, they got happier.

You can understand why people would harbor ill will to this group of entitled half-wits that destroyed this community for the sake of their waifus.

Wow, I thought this was going to be a boring thread, but you made it quite interesting. I never really had much of an opinion about MEHEM. If it helps people get over the ending, that's okay, but I would never use it because I can't deviate from the canon that freely. But you have just pointed out MEHEM's critical flaw: the word "happy". The title completely undermines the argument that upset fans wanted more than a straightforward happy ending.

To be fair the original did still have Shep die and many do prefer that version of the mod, personally I dont see how its a problem for people to want a possibility for a well written happy ending, while MEHEM is not a paragon of writting it does still remove the catalyst, some people wanted both...I know shocking.

Just because something is happy doesnt make it cheesy or bad

conversely just because something is bittersweet or grim-dark does not make it edgy, artistic or well done

To really be fair, this is the Official Campaign discussion forum.  Since BioWare didn't release it as DLC, it's not official, and since it's not official, it has no place here.  This is especially true when we have people claiming it is the canon ending.  They aren't saying their canon ending either, in some cases, but the canon ending, and it is anything but.  "But I can't get a satisfying ending w/out it being a 'happy' ending" doesn't justify discussion in the official forum.  There is a forum for that, and while I have never been in it, I'm sure it's better received over there?  Regardless, headcanon belongs in the headcanon forum, right?  Isn't that what the rules say?  You know the ones we all agreed to when we created a profile.  I realize BSN has given a lot of leeway, but sooner or later they need to step up their game and take control of it.

Instead, we have mods that will ban somebody for speaking out against the hate.  I know I received a 24 hour ban for posting an off topic video in an off topic thread, but according to posts while I was out, the poster of the off topic thread didn't receive a ban.  Why?  Because the mod was "Holding the Line".  So, to be fair, take the headcanon to the headcanon forum, or don't pretend to be offended when other people don't buy it?  That's a novel solution to the problem, and if people over there are bashing it, then keep the bashing over there.  Then people that want to actually debate the actual game don't have to skim through 4 pages of MEHEM is the only ending to ME 3.

[Soultaker08]

If people hadnt jumped around on the heads of others who chose control or synthesis for over a year nobody would care.

the few anti-mehem posts i ve seen are nothing against the things i had to read when i said im pro control

[SiriusXI]

Pakundo wrote...

The ONLY REASON MEHEM makes the game better, is because it REMOVES THE CATALYST!

Absolutely not!

The ONLY reason why I prefer MEHEM is because Synthetics don't get destroyed in this Shepard-lives-destroy ending!
The catalyst can stay as it is for all I care, just give me an ending that doesn't make me feel terrible ffs.

Then it is strange that you like MEHEM, because it removes the catalyst, something that you don't seem to mind. For people liking or not minding the catalyst, MEHEM is rather diminishing the ending.

Also, I didn't say "the only reason we like MEHEM is [...]" but "the only reason MEHEM makes the game better is [...]". So you may like it for a different reason than I, but the reason I stated is the reason it makes the game better. Shepard living or dying, or Synthetics getting destroyed or not, is not really a qualifyer that makes the game better or worse, because these are outcomes that could follow logically from the story, if done well. The Catalyst however is something that is not in line with the story. Its existence makes the game worse from an analytic point of view. It cannot follow logically from the story, no matter how much you want to explain it. Just look at the extended cut, it doesn't make the ending any better qulitatively. It just makes it better quantitatively, since now we have more ending...

[robertthebard]

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

[SDW]

Seival wrote...

Your beloved mode is a fan-fiction. Why are you so surprised that it faces a lot of opposition in story section of the forums?

Don't wanna MEHEM hate? Don't start discussions about it in the official story section. It's as simple as that.

For one thing, many people here say they have a problem with MEHEM because of the way some of its supporters have treated them. Not because it's fan fiction.
And secondly, if we never discussed things that might lead to aggressive responses, BSN would be a rather silent place.
If the mods decide that this discussion is not appropriate for the story forum, they will close this thread and I will accept it.

[TheProtheans]

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

[robertthebard]

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

Son?  Please, but if you really are my father, I want the 15 years of back childsupport.  Cashier's Check only please, can't trust you to make payments when you're supposed to, sure can't trust that your personal check won't bounce.

http://social.biowar...egory/368/index That's the headcanon forum, take it over there.

[SiriusXI]

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

You don't get it. If we were just allowed to discuss anything in the story, most of the threads should be closed. Most threads would just be like: "hey, remember rannoch mission? It was awesome, right?". We wouldn't be allowed to reflect upon the story and project it to real life problems, like racism, sexism, aboortion and so on, because technically, these topics are not in the game.

Yet, we discuss these things, because the game gives us stimuly and topics that are applicable to these real life problems. That's one thing that makes the game good.

However, things that are not good about the story should also be discussed. Like when there are plot holes, inconsistencies, retcons, or simply the fact that something is missing, like the inclusion of Samara as a permanent squadmember and so on.

Now, MEHEM ending is not part of the story. It is absent. This absence, however, is something that can be criticised, just as the absence of, say, Samara as a permanent squadmember. So the absence of features that are desirable are part of the story-discussion of ME3, because their absence can be criticised.

[Fawx9]

robertthebard wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

Son?  Please, but if you really are my father, I want the 15 years of back childsupport.  Cashier's Check only please, can't trust you to make payments when you're supposed to, sure can't trust that your personal check won't bounce.

http://social.biowar...egory/368/index That's the headcanon forum, take it over there.

The only headcannin I see added is the reunion with the crew. Something that is already possible with high ems destroy, except its on screen with MEHEM. Its not different than the discusions about Control Sheaprd occupying a robot body to come down and visit.

[TheProtheans]

robertthebard wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

Son?  Please, but if you really are my father, I want the 15 years of back childsupport.  Cashier's Check only please, can't trust you to make payments when you're supposed to, sure can't trust that your personal check won't bounce.

http://social.biowar...egory/368/index That's the headcanon forum, take it over there.

I thought childsupport stops at 18, unless of course you live somewhere it does not.
On the other hand you could be 15 which means you probably should not be playing as the rating is 18+.

Either way get off the internet son.

[AlexMBrennan]

Right, removing godchild entirely is not headcanon?

[robertthebard]

SiriusXI wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

You don't get it. If we were just allowed to discuss anything in the story, most of the threads should be closed. Most threads would just be like: "hey, remember rannoch mission? It was awesome, right?". We wouldn't be allowed to reflect upon the story and project it to real life problems, like racism, sexism, aboortion and so on, because technically, these topics are not in the game.

Yet, we discuss these things, because the game gives us stimuly and topics that are applicable to these real life problems. That's one thing that makes the game good.

However, things that are not good about the story should also be discussed. Like when there are plot holes, inconsistencies, retcons, or simply the fact that something is missing, like the inclusion of Samara as a permanent squadmember and so on.

Now, MEHEM ending is not part of the story. It is absent. This absence, however, is something that can be criticised, just as the absence of, say, Samara as a permanent squadmember. So the absence of features that are desirable are part of the story-discussion of ME3, because their absence can be criticised.

So why is it that IT isn't discussed here any more?  Was it because it's not actually part of the story?  MEHEM is not part of the story, the next poster that quoted me points that out.  Since this is the Story and Campaign discussion forum, why is MEHEM suddenly an exception.  It should, as all headcanon, be limited to the headcanon forum and individual groups, because, quite frankly, if it was, I wouldn't be commenting on it at all.  I just find it amusing that I can be banned for off topic, but these off topic threads just continue on and on, especially since my ban came due to not being a rampant Hold the Line member.  So hold the line for MEHEM in it's rightful place, and you don't have to worry about me commenting on it ever again.

[GreyLycanTrope]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Right, removing godchild entirely is not headcanon?

Sure but headcanon is required for any of the endings if you want to make sense of them. It's only a problem if you want a sequel which by the would likely make 3 of the 4 of the official  in-game options headcanon anyways. I have no intention on getting the next game, so it's my ending I do what I want.

[AlanC9]

If you say you like something on a message board and someone else doesn't like that thing, what's supposed to happen?

[Fawx9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Right, removing godchild entirely is not headcanon?

Time saving investment.

Why go through the painful 5-10 minutes of the sequence when you already know what the ending 'choice' is.

[TheProtheans]

robertthebard wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

You don't get it. If we were just allowed to discuss anything in the story, most of the threads should be closed. Most threads would just be like: "hey, remember rannoch mission? It was awesome, right?". We wouldn't be allowed to reflect upon the story and project it to real life problems, like racism, sexism, aboortion and so on, because technically, these topics are not in the game.

Yet, we discuss these things, because the game gives us stimuly and topics that are applicable to these real life problems. That's one thing that makes the game good.

However, things that are not good about the story should also be discussed. Like when there are plot holes, inconsistencies, retcons, or simply the fact that something is missing, like the inclusion of Samara as a permanent squadmember and so on.

Now, MEHEM ending is not part of the story. It is absent. This absence, however, is something that can be criticised, just as the absence of, say, Samara as a permanent squadmember. So the absence of features that are desirable are part of the story-discussion of ME3, because their absence can be criticised.

So why is it that IT isn't discussed here any more?  Was it because it's not actually part of the story?  MEHEM is not part of the story, the next poster that quoted me points that out.  Since this is the Story and Campaign discussion forum, why is MEHEM suddenly an exception.  It should, as all headcanon, be limited to the headcanon forum and individual groups, because, quite frankly, if it was, I wouldn't be commenting on it at all.  I just find it amusing that I can be banned for off topic, but these off topic threads just continue on and on, especially since my ban came due to not being a rampant Hold the Line member.  So hold the line for MEHEM in it's rightful place, and you don't have to worry about me commenting on it ever again.

IT is actually part of the story, most of the game engulfs it.
MEHEM is one of the endings to Mass effect 3 so naturally we discuss it in the Campaign section as we played MEHEM in the campaign.

IT was banned because Bioware wants to annoy people.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 14 avril 2013 - 03:33 .