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[robertthebard]

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

Son?  Please, but if you really are my father, I want the 15 years of back childsupport.  Cashier's Check only please, can't trust you to make payments when you're supposed to, sure can't trust that your personal check won't bounce.

http://social.biowar...egory/368/index That's the headcanon forum, take it over there.

I thought childsupport stops at 18, unless of course you live somewhere it does not.
On the other hand you could be 15 which means you probably should not be playing as the rating is 18+.

Either way get off the internet son.

It does, but you still have to pay what you owe, with interest.  So when is that check coming?  I can contact the local SRS office and have them run a backtrace and garnish your wages for my payments, they love to do that, and since where I live failure to pay childsupport is a felony, they may even enjoy putting you in prison.  I know I'd like to have video of that, like the last 4chan guy that went.  I wonder how long it'll take you to change your name to Tina.

[SpamBot2000]

I say MEHEM should be official canon. I would even purchase such a DLC. And probably other DLC as well, since the story would be tolerable.

There, a discussion of official canon.

[Soultaker08]

TheProtheans wrote...

IT was banned because Bioware wants to annoy people.

lol IT was a movement that claimed to be "deeper" than anyone else and when it became clear that they were wrong, they demanded Bioware to follow their "deep" thoughts and ideas.

who annoyed whom here

[TheProtheans]

robertthebard wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Neizd wrote...

I agree with you OP. There is absolutly no need to hate MEHEM. If somebody was dissatisfied with ME3 ending, he or she can instal it for better experience. If somebody liked the original ending they don't have to instal it.

All of those haters are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time because they hate something just because they want to. If they offered constructive criticism then I can understand that they don't like it and I like those people, but most of them only spam their hate most of the time.

Personally I don't like either original ME3 endings with EC or MEHEM. For my Shepard the ending of ME1 and ME2 was something epic...and there is nothing epic about ME3 starting from priority:earth. All this big talk about "TAKE EARTH BACK!" was put into one pew pew mission.

I neither like it, nor hate it, having never used it.  However, I don't want to discuss it in the Official Campaign forum.  People that can't understand that, to quote you:  are probably just random trolls or kids or people that have too much time.  Unlike opinions about the game, the forums do have rules, and they should probably be enforced, yes?

It's just the Campaign Forum son.

Son?  Please, but if you really are my father, I want the 15 years of back childsupport.  Cashier's Check only please, can't trust you to make payments when you're supposed to, sure can't trust that your personal check won't bounce.

http://social.biowar...egory/368/index That's the headcanon forum, take it over there.

I thought childsupport stops at 18, unless of course you live somewhere it does not.
On the other hand you could be 15 which means you probably should not be playing as the rating is 18+.

Either way get off the internet son.

It does, but you still have to pay what you owe, with interest.  So when is that check coming?  I can contact the local SRS office and have them run a backtrace and garnish your wages for my payments, they love to do that, and since where I live failure to pay childsupport is a felony, they may even enjoy putting you in prison.  I know I'd like to have video of that, like the last 4chan guy that went.  I wonder how long it'll take you to change your name to Tina.

I don't have the money son, but seeing how you're trying to steal my wages I will contact your mother to get your games taken away and ground you.

[SDW]

AlanC9 wrote...

If you say you like something on a message board and someone else doesn't like that thing, what's supposed to happen?

Constructive discussion. Would be nice at least.

[Wayning_Star]

Bioware ME fans are so cute when they're mad..lol

[SiriusXI]

robertthebard wrote...
So why is it that IT isn't discussed here any more?  Was it because it's not actually part of the story?  MEHEM is not part of the story, the next poster that quoted me points that out.  Since this is the Story and Campaign discussion forum, why is MEHEM suddenly an exception.  It should, as all headcanon, be limited to the headcanon forum and individual groups, because, quite frankly, if it was, I wouldn't be commenting on it at all.  I just find it amusing that I can be banned for off topic, but these off topic threads just continue on and on, especially since my ban came due to not being a rampant Hold the Line member.  So hold the line for MEHEM in it's rightful place, and you don't have to worry about me commenting on it ever again.

IT being forbidden here is outright censorship. I am NOT a fan of this theory, but banning it makes no sense. There are many traces in the game that might lead to the conclusion that Shepard is indoctrinated. There are also many that clearly say he isn't. Doesn't matter. It is story relevant, even if Shepard is not indoctrinated.

So yeah, both MEHEM and IT should be discussed here.Are you really arguing that MEHEM should be banned from forums, because Bioware also banned IT? Bioware moderators are being quit fascist in this respect. When you ask them why IT is banned, they saysoth along the line: "because it is our forum, refer to forum rules § xyz". They can't really logically justify why they banned IT threads.

Modifié par SiriusXI, 14 avril 2013 - 03:57 .

[AlanC9]

SiriusXI wrote...
The Catalyst however is something that is not in line with the story. Its existence makes the game worse from an analytic point of view. It cannot follow logically from the story, no matter how much you want to explain it. Just look at the extended cut, it doesn't make the ending any better qulitatively. It just makes it better quantitatively, since now we have more ending...

Well, in the spirit of SDW's post, I suppose I'll start here.

The Catalyst is an attempt to clean up the logical mess that ME1 left the game in. The Reaper plan is nonsensical, and ME2 only made things worse by making this horribly inefficient method vital to Reaper reproduction.

It's OK to prefer that Bio had left the illogic offstage and mysterious. But don't pretend it wouldn't have been there.

[Ledgend1221]

Anyone who like the original ending is a fool.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Catalyst is an attempt to clean up the logical mess that ME1 left the game in. The Reaper plan is nonsensical, and ME2 only made things worse by making this horribly inefficient method vital to Reaper reproduction.

Huh? I mean, I somewhat agree about the Reaper reproduction part, but how can we say the Reaper plan was "nonsensical" since we didn't really know what it was before the so-called attempt to clean up the mess?

[robertthebard]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Anyone who like the original ending is a fool.

You are certainly in illustrious company with this opinion:

Foolsfolly wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Also, the article is no longer applicable, as its main complaint has been retconned.

Eh, to each their own. It over-reacted to the cries at how the ending was bad (and it is). It made all three choices so overly positive that everyone wins happy endings now!

And it still ignores everything you did since nothing you did (geth, ect.) can be brought up against the Catalyst or the Catalysts/Reapers' point about synthetics vs organics. Which was a theme that never mattered in ME series since synthetics were either shown as neutral or friendly throughout the series. Its espeically jarring that ME3 itself has a whole section that shows the geth as victims of quarian aggression and tyranny ... and 5 hours later you're listening to how synthetics always destroy organics.

I mean even after the EC that ending's garbage.

Stop me when I'm wrong, but didn't we spend the majority of ME 1 fighting Synthetics?  Yeah, Hold the Line...  You fit right in.  Oh, then there's this guy, that sincerely believes that destroying your enemies equals surrender:

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Um, people who chime in to say ME2 didn't have as many "endings" as ME3 are missing the point by a mile or two. What that graph shows is the gameplay choices in the final mission. ME2 had you utilize the various aptitudes of your squad members. ME3 had you limp into your choice of three adjacent surrenders.

Hold the line.  You guys are doing a bangup job.  It's funny, because I'm not even a Pro-Ender, and I wish some of these guys would go away.  They're making me look bad by posting.  However, it is amusing to me that people can blindly accept the Harbinger DeM only to complain about the Catalyst DeM.

[LinksOcarina]

Its a fan mod, it should be allowed to exist. I may not like or agree with it, but I won't mock it, thats just, immature, frankly.

[SpamBot2000]

robertthebard wrote...

Hold the line.  You guys are doing a bangup job.  It's funny, because I'm not even a Pro-Ender, and I wish some of these guys would go away.  They're making me look bad by posting.  However, it is amusing to me that people can blindly accept the Harbinger DeM only to complain about the Catalyst DeM.

Alas, I'm too much of a n00b to belong to the illustrious Retake Movement. It is funny though, how your embarrassment at being associated with people who do not share your quietism leads you to side with the DeM-maisters at BW and their cheerleader lobby.

As for accepting the Lazarus DeM only to complain about the Harbinger DeM, I guess it's just a question of where you draw the line. A big fanboy such as myself woul obviously tolerate a lot... but not everything.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 14 avril 2013 - 04:35 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Catalyst is an attempt to clean up the logical mess that ME1 left the game in. The Reaper plan is nonsensical, and ME2 only made things worse by making this horribly inefficient method vital to Reaper reproduction.

It's OK to prefer that Bio had left the illogic offstage and mysterious. But don't pretend it wouldn't have been there.

And this is why I think th egame is better off without the Catalyst and its explanations.  It's trying to explain the unexplainable, and just makes an even bigger mess of things.  In large part, this is because the writers had no plan to begin with and decided to wing it.

In hindsight, I think the Reapers should have stayed unfathomable, doing wierd stuff for no reason anyone can understand.  Maybe drop an occassional hint of something the players can debate (or dare I say...speculate?) about.

Put trying to put the Reapers in some kind of logical context when up until now they have had none was pretty much doomed to failure.  Do it from the start or don't do it at all. 

[Mcfly616]

Is there some kind of double standard here? I mean, you're wondering why certain people hate on MEHEM and you say its uncool.....yet, whenever the real endings are brought up, they're bashed mercilessly and its all gravy.

People have their likes and dislikes. They usually express them in obnoxious fashion over the internet

[robertthebard]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Hold the line.  You guys are doing a bangup job.  It's funny, because I'm not even a Pro-Ender, and I wish some of these guys would go away.  They're making me look bad by posting.  However, it is amusing to me that people can blindly accept the Harbinger DeM only to complain about the Catalyst DeM.

Alas, I'm too much of a n00b to belong to the illustrious Retake Movement. It is funny though, how your embarrassment at being associated with people who do not share your quietism leads you to side with the DeM-maisters at BW and their cheerleader lobby.

I believe it has more to do with I don't care what others think about the game.  Search my post history to see if I ever denied anyone a right to their opinion about the game if you like.  My sig speaks for itself, and it's been the same for about 8 or 9 months now:  If you play past London, why complain about the endings.

See the theme there?  I chose to accept none of the DeM's for myself.  I don't, however, feel the need, or see the reason to force feed my opinion on everyone else, unlike the posters, yourself included, that I quoted for the post you snipped.  I do, however, feel that headcanon discussions belong in the headcanon forum, and by definition, MEHEM is headcanon, and should be discussed there, instead of here.  I realize that that may indeed mean that it doesn't get as many replies, or that it may fall off the first page for weeks at a time, but it is not, contrary to some people's opinion, part of the lore.  It may take things from the lore, but it isn't part of the game.  It is certainly not installed on my computer.

[TheProtheans]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Is there some kind of double standard here? I mean, you're wondering why certain people hate on MEHEM and you say its uncool.....yet, whenever the real endings are brought up, they're bashed mercilessly and its all gravy.

People have their likes and dislikes. They usually express them in obnoxious fashion over the internet

The endings are unfairly bashed, they're merely the end of a terrible story.
It is the awful story that deserves to be bashed and set on fire.

[Han Shot First]

I think part of the reason is that in any thread where MEHEM is mentioned someone will usually post something along the lines of, "MEHEM is so much better than Bioware's endings! Why couldn't Bioware have done something like MEHEM!"

Obviously that is going to provoke a response from people who disagree. Also people who disagree aren't just people who liked the original endings. I hated the original endings, but find MEHEM to be worse. I thought it was incredibly cheesy. Still, I've got no problem with people who like the mod. It just isn't for me.

Also this:

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The reason people attack it is lingering animosity against the retakers. They always claimed they weren't upset because the ending was sad. They always said they had such great reasons for being upset. And then every single time something came along that made things happier, regardless of whether or not it made sense, they got happier.

You can understand why people would harbor ill will to this group of entitled half-wits that destroyed this community for the sake of their waifus.

[SpamBot2000]

robertthebard wrote...

See the theme there?  I chose to accept none of the DeM's for myself.  I don't, however, feel the need, or see the reason to force feed my opinion on everyone else, unlike the posters, yourself included, that I quoted for the post you snipped.  I do, however, feel that headcanon discussions belong in the headcanon forum, and by definition, MEHEM is headcanon, and should be discussed there, instead of here.  I realize that that may indeed mean that it doesn't get as many replies, or that it may fall off the first page for weeks at a time, but it is not, contrary to some people's opinion, part of the lore.  It may take things from the lore, but it isn't part of the game.  It is certainly not installed on my computer.

You are missing the important distinction here. I do not discuss MEHEM as fan fiction. I discuss it as a suggestion for BioWare to make an official ending like it. That's step 1. Step 2 is suggesting that a sequel be consistent with that ending. Because unlike many here, I'm not a Casey Hudson fan. I'm a Mass Effect fan, and would like to see the story continue, which the currently official ending was made to ensure would not happen. 

Personally, I don't currently play Mass Effect at all. But I would like to. As for not accepting the Harbinger DeM, you obviously do accept Project Lazarus, which is pretty much the same ballpark.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 14 avril 2013 - 04:55 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Stop me when I'm wrong, but didn't we spend the majority of ME 1 fighting Synthetics?

Yes, but that is purely incidental - Saren could have used a pet army of Rachni instead of a pet geth army without affecting the game at large.

you obviously do accept Project Lazarus, which is pretty much the same ballpark.

Not really - retconning Shepard to have been badly injured during the destruction of the Normandy rather than killed is a fairly subtle retcon thanks to Bioware never having Shepard's death affect the story beyond using it as an excuse to remake the face.

[Iakus]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Oh believe me, you and your ilk have all but ensured they'll never try anything new ever again.

Railroading is nothing new.

What we can hope for is when they make thier endings, they'll actually put a little more thought into it and try to make stuff that'll appeal to an audience that's wider than the "dark is deep" crowd.

[SpamBot2000]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

you obviously do accept Project Lazarus, which is pretty much the same ballpark.

Not really - retconning Shepard to have been badly injured during the destruction of the Normandy rather than killed is a fairly subtle retcon thanks to Bioware never having Shepard's death affect the story beyond using it as an excuse to remake the face.

Well, we are talking about the ballpark in which Harbinger's blast didn't kill Shepard at the beam. Something most ME players would accept.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Oh believe me, you and your ilk have all but ensured they'll never try anything new ever again.

Railroading is nothing new.

What we can hope for is when they make thier endings, they'll actually put a little more thought into it and try to make stuff that'll appeal to an audience that's wider than the "dark is deep" crowd.

The crux of their idea appeals to a broader, more aware "crowd" than that, and you know it. Stop straw-manning.

[Clayless]

SiriusXI wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The main problem with the MEHEM is people keep on making threads about it outside the Fan Creations forum.

This is Story and Campaign section. AKA, not the "Why do people hate MEHEM" section.

Yeah MEHEM is just an au fanfic. Not really much sense in people losing their rag about it if you look at it that way.

The fact that a lot of people consider it better than the original, at least better than synthesis, control and refuse, clearly shows that it is a topic that is worth talking about. If we go by popularity, MEHEM has more right to be in the story section than control and synthesis.

Furthermore, it does not really matter if it is canon or not. It IS story relevant, simply because it is NOT part of the canon story. This absence in the story is a valid criticism OF the story. Therefore MEHEM is perfectly fine in the story section.

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Do you know what's a valid criticism of the story? The lack of unicorns. You know what? Why did unicorns not turn the Reapers into ice-cream? That's a better ending than all of them combined. Hey guys there's a comic about the Reapers turning into ice-cream this counts as story and campaign discussions right? Talking about that time the Reapers were turned into ice-cream? This is totally a valid criticism of the story yeah?

That's literally what your post boiled down to. Nonsense. Fan creations should stay in the fan creations section, and outside of here.

Modifié par Robosexual, 14 avril 2013 - 05:31 .