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[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Oh believe me, you and your ilk have all but ensured they'll never try anything new ever again.

Railroading is nothing new.

What we can hope for is when they make thier endings, they'll actually put a little more thought into it and try to make stuff that'll appeal to an audience that's wider than the "dark is deep" crowd.

The crux of their idea appeals to a broader, more aware "crowd" than that, and you know it. Stop straw-manning.

The idea failed.  It forced arbitrary tragedy on the player regardless of their actions, forced Shepard to commit morally highly suspect actions in order to "save" the galaxy.  And a big chunk of the audience didn't like it

We can only hope that Bioware learned something from this, that the audience is made up of more than just people who want their character to go out in a blaze of glory.  Or players who don't mind slaughtering their own allies, or who'd  impose their will on an an entire galaxy, whether as an immortal "guardian" who has lost all his/her humanity, or as an avatar of forced "evolution".

Some people simply want to get the job done and go home.  Let the galaxy decide for itself what direction to go.

Does this meet with your approval?

[remydat]

Simple solution. No one mentions how they dislike the other endings except in MEHEM threads and no one comes into a MEHEM thread and mention how they dislike it.

Of course, that is never going to happen. The fact is people sh*t on all the endings no matter the thread. MEHEM is no different. You are not being persecuted unless you also think the people who make threads about how they like the other endings are being persecuted when those threads invariably turn into sh*t storms.

Modifié par remydat, 14 avril 2013 - 05:40 .

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Oh believe me, you and your ilk have all but ensured they'll never try anything new ever again.

Railroading is nothing new.

What we can hope for is when they make thier endings, they'll actually put a little more thought into it and try to make stuff that'll appeal to an audience that's wider than the "dark is deep" crowd.

The crux of their idea appeals to a broader, more aware "crowd" than that, and you know it. Stop straw-manning.

The idea failed.  It forced arbitrary tragedy on the player regardless of their actions, forced Shepard to commit morally highly suspect actions in order to "save" the galaxy.  And a big chunk of the audience didn't like it

We can only hope that Bioware learned something from this, that the audience is made up of more than just people who want their character to go out in a blaze of glory.  Or players who don't mind slaughtering their own allies, or who'd  impose their will on an an entire galaxy, whether as an immortal "guardian" who has lost all his/her humanity, or as an avatar of forced "evolution".

Some people simply want to get the job done and go home.  Let the galaxy decide for itself what direction to go.

Does this meet with your approval?

The idea didn't fail. It was the execution. There's a million different ways they could have approached making the endings an ethical dilemma. I'm not a writer but my approach would have been for the relays to be irrepairable in the Destroy ending to balance out Control and Synthesis. It keeps the core concepts of the endings intact.

BTW, you can't condemn the current endings, particularly the Blue and Green, and then get upset that people do the same with the Super Red (MEHEM).

[SpamBot2000]

Robosexual wrote...

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Do you know what's a valid criticism of the story? The lack of unicorns. You know what? Why did unicorns not turn the Reapers into ice-cream? That's a better ending than all of them combined. Hey guys there's a comic about the Reapers turning into ice-cream this counts as story and campaign discussions right? Talking about that time the Reapers were turned into ice-cream? This is totally a valid criticism of the story yeah?

That's literally what your post boiled down to. Nonsense. Fan creations should stay in the fan creations section, and outside of here.

It's funny, you always do the exact same thing you accuse others of doing. Like posting completely vaporous nothings in this case.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 14 avril 2013 - 05:46 .

[SiriusXI]

Robosexual wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The main problem with the MEHEM is people keep on making threads about it outside the Fan Creations forum.

This is Story and Campaign section. AKA, not the "Why do people hate MEHEM" section.

Yeah MEHEM is just an au fanfic. Not really much sense in people losing their rag about it if you look at it that way.

The fact that a lot of people consider it better than the original, at least better than synthesis, control and refuse, clearly shows that it is a topic that is worth talking about. If we go by popularity, MEHEM has more right to be in the story section than control and synthesis.

Furthermore, it does not really matter if it is canon or not. It IS story relevant, simply because it is NOT part of the canon story. This absence in the story is a valid criticism OF the story. Therefore MEHEM is perfectly fine in the story section.

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Do you know what's a valid criticism of the story? The lack of unicorns. You know what? Why did unicorns not turn the Reapers into ice-cream? That's a better ending than all of them combined. Hey guys there's a comic about the Reapers turning into ice-cream this counts as story and campaign discussions right? Talking about that time the Reapers were turned into ice-cream? This is totally a valid criticism of the story yeah?

That's literally what your post boiled down to. Nonsense. Fan creations should stay in the fan creations section, and outside of here.

I don't think you are that stupid. You completely misread and misinterpreted what I wrote, so you must be trolling. Therefore I won't even try to argue with you.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

The idea failed.  It forced arbitrary tragedy on the player regardless of their actions, forced Shepard to commit morally highly suspect actions in order to "save" the galaxy.  And a big chunk of the audience didn't like it

We can only hope that Bioware learned something from this, that the audience is made up of more than just people who want their character to go out in a blaze of glory.  Or players who don't mind slaughtering their own allies, or who'd  impose their will on an an entire galaxy, whether as an immortal "guardian" who has lost all his/her humanity, or as an avatar of forced "evolution".

Some people simply want to get the job done and go home.  Let the galaxy decide for itself what direction to go.

Does this meet with your approval?

That's fine, and I agree with your points to an extent, but I wouldn't reduce those who disagree with you and found something else in the ending as being the "dark is deep" crowd. It's a gross misrepresentation.

Also, to echo the above: it's the execution, not the idea.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 14 avril 2013 - 05:51 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The reason people attack it is lingering animosity against the retakers. They always claimed they weren't upset because the ending was sad. They always said they had such great reasons for being upset. And then every single time something came along that made things happier, regardless of whether or not it made sense, they got happier.

You can understand why people would harbor ill will to this group of entitled half-wits that destroyed this community for the sake of their waifus.

Wow, I thought this was going to be a boring thread, but you made it quite interesting. I never really had much of an opinion about MEHEM. If it helps people get over the ending, that's okay, but I would never use it because I can't deviate from the canon that freely. But you have just pointed out MEHEM's critical flaw: the word "happy". The title completely undermines the argument that upset fans wanted more than a straightforward happy ending.

True, but that's not really a big or even new revelation about the fanbase.

The fans have long demonstrated their willingness to accept things that don't quite fit in the name of enjoyment.

smudboy raised these issues since ME2, and nobody wanted to accept this then. They largely still don't want to.

[Clayless]

SiriusXI wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Do you know what's a valid criticism of the story? The lack of unicorns. You know what? Why did unicorns not turn the Reapers into ice-cream? That's a better ending than all of them combined. Hey guys there's a comic about the Reapers turning into ice-cream this counts as story and campaign discussions right? Talking about that time the Reapers were turned into ice-cream? This is totally a valid criticism of the story yeah?

That's literally what your post boiled down to. Nonsense. Fan creations should stay in the fan creations section, and outside of here.

I don't think you are that stupid. You completely misread and misinterpreted what I wrote, so you must be trolling. Therefore I won't even try to argue with you.

Pretty sure it's completely on point. You can't just accuse people who point out how ridiculous it is to say something that "isn't story relevant is story relevant" as trolling. You honestly said it doesn't matter if it's cannon or not, therefore it should be talked about in the Story and Campaign discussion. The unicorn and ice-cream analogy is a perfect response to this.

If you say something, and someone points out a valid criticism of it, don't shy away and accuse them of trolling, it mearly weakens your argument.

Modifié par Robosexual, 14 avril 2013 - 06:11 .

[S.A.K]

I never used MEHEM and likely never will (seen it on YT though). I prefer the canon ending rather than a fanfic. Only bad think about the EC destroy ending is EDI's death (atleast for me). So I have no use for it anyway.
But if other people enjoy it, that's fine by me.

[PsyrenY]

MEHEM belongs in Fan Creations because that's all it is.

If you want to pretend it's canon outside of that space then you don't get to complain when other people point out the truth. This is the Mass Effect 3 Story and Campaign forum, and that game has 4 endings (with subvariations.)

[Cutlass Jack]

Its funny how its 'Just a Mod' when defending it against criticism, but when praising, its 'The Canon that Should Be Because Bioware is a Stinky Head.'

As long as some people keep treating it like the Second Coming, you'll just have to accept that others will provide a less than favorable counterpoint.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 14 avril 2013 - 07:05 .

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The idea didn't fail. It was the execution. There's a million different ways they could have approached making the endings an ethical dilemma. I'm not a writer but my approach would have been for the relays to be irrepairable in the Destroy ending to balance out Control and Synthesis. It keeps the core concepts of the endings intact.

BTW, you can't condemn the current endings, particularly the Blue and Green, and then get upset that people do the same with the Super Red (MEHEM).

It's one thing for the execution to fail.  It's another for it to fail twice (original endings and EC).  A golden opporunity was passed up to take a mulligan and tweak teh endings to the point where people would find them more palatable.  But what we got was the exact same thing.  Just with more details (to help with our "confusion)

And I don't care if MEHEM isn't a person's personal preference.  If they like the original endings, they like EC, or even the original endings better, that's fine.  Some people like morally dark gray, or can headcanon away some of the darker aspects of the choices.  But I take issue when people look no further than the title and declare MEHEM a "rainbows and unicorns" ending and condemn it as such.  Or that MEHEM should not exist, because reasons

Edit:  See, S.A.K. has it right.  If it's not for you, it's not for you.  No hard feelings.

Modifié par iakus, 14 avril 2013 - 07:22 .

[ruggly]

Posting this here was only asking for trouble.

[Iakus]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Its funny how its 'Just a Mod' when defending it against criticism, but when praising, its 'The Canon that Should Be Because Bioware is a Stinky Head.'

As long as some people keep treating it like the Second Coming, you'll just have to accept that others will provide a less than favorable counterpoint.

It's not the "Canon that Sould Be" it's the "Option We should have Had"

There's a difference

[SpamBot2000]

Although it really should be canon.

Not because of what BioWare is. But because of what Mass Effect is.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 14 avril 2013 - 07:26 .

[Eterna]

I'm so offended and hateful that you now have a Disney ending!

Modifié par Eterna5, 14 avril 2013 - 07:27 .

[Cutlass Jack]

iakus wrote...

It's not the "Canon that Sould Be" it's the "Option We should have Had"

There's a difference

Didnt I just read a post by you in another thread saying you're sticking with it as your canon ending?

[TheProtheans]

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm so offended and hateful that you now have a Disney ending!

Son, we already had disney endings(control and synthesis).
Perfect happy endings.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The idea didn't fail. It was the execution. There's a million different ways they could have approached making the endings an ethical dilemma. I'm not a writer but my approach would have been for the relays to be irrepairable in the Destroy ending to balance out Control and Synthesis. It keeps the core concepts of the endings intact.

BTW, you can't condemn the current endings, particularly the Blue and Green, and then get upset that people do the same with the Super Red (MEHEM).

It's one thing for the execution to fail.  It's another for it to fail twice (original endings and EC).  A golden opporunity was passed up to take a mulligan and tweak teh endings to the point where people would find them more palatable.  But what we got was the exact same thing.  Just with more details (to help with our "confusion)

And I don't care if MEHEM isn't a person's personal preference.  If they like the original endings, they like EC, or even the original endings better, that's fine.  Some people like morally dark gray, or can headcanon away some of the darker aspects of the choices.  But I take issue when people look no further than the title and declare MEHEM a "rainbows and unicorns" ending and condemn it as such.  Or that MEHEM should not exist, because reasons

Edit:  See, S.A.K. has it right.  If it's not for you, it's not for you.  No hard feelings.

Calling the MEHEM rainbows and unicorns is no different than proclaiming that the EC is super grim dark and nihilistic.

You and I think the execution failed twice but even this is largely opinionated. Going back to my preference, there would be some who would actually prefer to have the Geth/EDI sacrifice to be the token consequence of Destroy over the Mass Relays.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 14 avril 2013 - 07:35 .

[TheProtheans]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

iakus wrote...

It's not the "Canon that Sould Be" it's the "Option We should have Had"

There's a difference

Didnt I just read a post by you in another thread saying you're sticking with it as your canon ending?

He is wrong, it is everyone's canon ending.
They just don't know it yet.

[MegaSovereign]

TheProtheans wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

iakus wrote...

It's not the "Canon that Sould Be" it's the "Option We should have Had"

There's a difference

Didnt I just read a post by you in another thread saying you're sticking with it as your canon ending?

He is wrong, it is everyone's canon ending.
They just don't know it yet.

I'm assuming that you don't expect people to take this post seriously.

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm so offended and hateful that you now have a Disney ending!

How is MEHEM a disney ending?

[AresKeith]

I find it funny and sad when people try to use the tetm "Disney Ending" as an insult

[TheProtheans]

Destroy and Refuse are the only non happy non canon Disney endings.
Refuse is a romantic ending with a charming message.