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[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And it's certainly no secret that it's designed to be a "happier" ending. I mean, it's in the name of the mod, after all. However, alling it a "rainbows and unicorns" ending gives it connotations of being some perfect, golden ending. And that it most certainly is not. I mean, it still ends wit ha memorial Just for Anderson rather than Shepard. No one's smiling. As has been stated before, it's still bittersweet, just with a bit more sweet added.

I actually think Control is happier, but, well, yeah. Ultimately, though, I don't really like it at all, in part because it gives no explanation for the Reapers, which I find a horrendous copout.

Well like I said, the lack of an explanation can be argued to be a good thing, or at least a better thing, depending on your preferences for an explanation vs the explanation given.  For a lot of people, the Catalyst's explanation causes their brain to hurt

As for Control being happier, well, I disagree, strongly.  But we're probably looking at different criteria for "happy"

In Control, the Reapers and their knowledge have been preserved, to make the galaxy as a whole safer, at the cost of only one extra life. That can probably be reconstituted anyway, from what I can discern.

And I want an explanation, regardless of what it is. To be honest, I actually love the explanation we got.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 avril 2013 - 05:34 .

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...

And that's exactly what it's intended to do; the mod's creator really doesn't hide that fact, either.  And personally, that's fine... I'd only have preferred he not alter Bioware's provided content to do so.

I'm a little weak on the design intent. Was that even possible?

[SDW]

k.lalh wrote...

Why is this thread still alive?

If you like it, DL it. If you don't, ignore it.

A better question would be: Why is a discussion about a mod in the Story/Campaign discussion forum?

I can see your (and the other posters') point in MEHEM not being canonical and the topic therefore not belonging here. I didn't think about it at that time - the reason I posted it here was because I usually see the reaction described in the first post happen in this very forum. So, while not canonical story-related, it was related to this forum.
But yeah, sure, mods can close it if they think it doesn't belong here.

[Giantdeathrobot]

It removes the Catalyst, that's good enough for me. Better no explanation and no choice rather than the mind-numbingly dumb stuff I had to cope up with after Anderson dies.

I still don't like a lot of things about the ending, BTW. But satisfying me would require reworking most of Priority: Earth at the very least, so I'll accept MEHEM as the next best thing.

That being said, I haven't seen many people ''hating'' on the mod, honestly. So I'm not quite sure this thread was warranted; with a title like this, it was bound to end up with the usual trench warfare between people who like the ending and those who don't.

[chemiclord]

AlanC9 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

And that's exactly what it's intended to do; the mod's creator really doesn't hide that fact, either.  And personally, that's fine... I'd only have preferred he not alter Bioware's provided content to do so.

I'm a little weak on the design intent. Was that even possible?

To make a happier ending without fundamentally altering the provided content?  Sure.  If you're at a high enough EMS that shows Shepard lived... hell, the Catalyst already was proven it wasn't accurate.  There's any number of ways that you can play out the scene where he's wrong on the rest.  Literally everything that Mr. Fob did could have been done within the constraints of the available "lore."

To some extent, I can understand the argument that how the Catalyst is presented is a jumbled mess, and to put it together in a way that would make sense with a suitable dialogue beyond Shepard nodding dumbly and accepting the **** shoveled at him (which IS possible no matter what fans will claim), would require a LOT of work.  But I don't think the answer was cutting it completely.

[XI BlackHawx IX]

Someone make this for 360

[SpamBot2000]

chemiclord wrote...

That can certainly be interpreted as nothing short of a big middle finger to the creator (though in fairness to Mr. Fob, I do not believe that was his intent, I suspect had he had the time and opportunity he'd have rewritten the whole thing).

And what do you call it when the vocal minority of the "creator" locks the rest of itself out of the room when coming up with the finale that defines the creation? 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 15 avril 2013 - 06:28 .

[SpamBot2000]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

That can certainly be interpreted as nothing short of a big middle finger to the creator (though in fairness to Mr. Fob, I do not believe that was his intent, I suspect had he had the time and opportunity he'd have rewritten the whole thing).

And what do you call it when the vocal minority of the "creator" locks the rest of itself out of the room when coming up with the finale that defines the creation? 

A project leader taking charge of his product?

Indeed. A corporate arrangement. Not deserving the dignity of artist that chemiclord is attempting to endow it with.

[chemiclord]

Xilizhra wrote...

And I want an explanation, regardless of what it is. To be honest, I actually love the explanation we got.

The explanation we get isn't... very good, let's be honest. It IS very poorly written, and makes assumptions that proved to be erroneous. While it can be reassembled in a way that makes sense, it requires a lot of supposition... which despite the professed desire of the endings to be speculative really shouldn't be left to speculation.

For example, it's VERY easy to dismiss the Geth/Quarian "peace" resolution as a counterpoint to the Catalyst's claims. The two actually are not mutually exclusive. That peace is POSSIBLE does not mean that catastrophic war isn't inevitable. And honestly, who REALLY thinks that the conflict is solved just because Shepard yelled at Han'Gerrel for three minutes? At best, I'd call that "peace" a "cease fire", just waiting for another match to light the powder keg again.

But just because it is fairly easily dismissed does not mean that Shepard should just go mum and not even TRY to offer it as a counterpoint. You can't expect your audience to simply ASSUME, especially when you make that "peace" such a big deal in the game itself as in ideal solution.

Another thing is the player's limited perspective. All we have to go on is our cycle, where synthetic life hasn't particularly been any more dangerous than organic life. Hell, we've worked for two games with an AI that has been resoundingly amiable, and another that is at least cooperative. Sure, the Catalyst may have seen MILLIONS of potentially catastrophic conflicts emerge, but if that foundation isn't laid... there's nothing that brings the Catalyst's claim into scale, or convinces the audience it's even a problem to begin with.

The Leviathan DLC winds up providing that particular background after-the-fact (in a meta sense), but still not terribly well, and at the point that foreshadowing was provided, the bitterness had already set in and wasn't going to be washed out easily... especially since we STILL don't see any real example of this danger outside of second hand sources that the player has NO reason to trust.

So yeah, the explanation we are given is extremely lackluster, and it IS possible to salvage it... but it would take a lot of work that I doubt any modder would be willing to get into.

Modifié par chemiclord, 15 avril 2013 - 06:48 .

[chemiclord]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Indeed. A corporate arrangement. Not deserving the dignity of artist that chemiclord is attempting to endow it with.

 

And why not?  If all artistic statements cease becoming artistic statements the moment someone slaps a price tag on it, then our very civilization has no artistic statements outside of finger-painting from toddlers... and maybe not even that.

[GimmeDaGun]

I don't care about MEHEM. Personally I don't like it and find it extra cheesy, gimmicky and lame, an unfitting ending to the trilogy, but that's me. If someone likes it and enjoys the game with it, then good for him or her.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 15 avril 2013 - 06:45 .

[Ninja Stan]

MEHEM should already have a thread in the ME3 Fan Creations forum. Complaining about complaints is unproductive and a double standard.

End of line.