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[Auld Wulf]

TL;DR: If Shepard survives no matter what, does that change your ending choice? There's a poll at the bottom if you wish to skip reading the thread, but I hope you'll at least skim it.

Okay, so a lady friend and I were talking about the ending and all of the parameters involved. Lots of parameters. And even though she choose Synthesis (as I did), she lamented the loss of Shepard. We both came to the conclusion though that hte loss of Shepard was worth curing the galaxy of all that which ails it. (Just our personal take.)

So this got me thinking and discussing more: I asked around. I found that a few more acquaintances said that they wanted to pick a different ending, but they didn't want to part with Shepard, and this seems to be the consensus on the forums from the threads I've read. Essentially -- people desperately want Shepard to live and will come up with any justification to that end, whether simple denial, outright delusion, or even acceptance of the horrible things that have to happen for Shepard to continue living.

I was lead to wondering whether people felt forced to pick Destroy because Shepard dies, and thus whether a lot of arguments weren't about the endings, but simply the desire to keep Shepard alive.

To my mind, Destroy is a worrying ending. The leviathans likely have a thrall army over hundreds of planets that we don't know of; they might even be capable of space travel via a version of biotics; and they can take down a Reaper ship. Without the Reapers or the geth (who can't be brainwashed) around, would we really stand a chance against the leviathans? I can understand wanting to believe that we could though, because as I said, people want to headcanon a positive ending where Shepard lives. I can sympathise with that. It's not for me, but I understand.

Furthermore, without the Reapers to provide access to other galaxy and hidden garden worlds, and perhaps even terraforming technologies, the krogan might become an epidemic again, creating a problem for the entire galaxy. Furthermore, with the weaker mental strength of the krogan, they might be choice army meats for the leviathans. This is just a compounded issue. So things could end up really bad for everyone because of that. I can understand wanting to be optimistic that that won't happen, but does it weigh on you?

See, this is my problem: If we destroy the Reapers, we're going to be in for a whole world of hurt. And as such I do wonder how much that weighs on other people, speaking honestly, justifications aside. Do you worry that the galaxy is doomed in the Destroy ending, that the good times will only last for a short while before things might get very dark? Does this bother you at all?

This has been discussed amongst my friends, acquaintances, and I. And I tend to get the same answer -- people don't want to pick Destroy, but they don't want Shepard to die. So that brings me to another question.

If Shepard lives, no matter what, then does that change your position on the ending?

If you want, you don't have to comment, you can just be a number in the polls. If you want to comment, then feel free. IT's up to you whether you advertise yourself and your opinions. I won't be debating in this thread because I don't want to pollute it, I just want to offer what I've said here as the opening point for voting and discussion. Everyone is going to have their own take on this, and people are welcome to their own opinions and views.

Poll: If Shepard survives no matter what, does that change your ending choice?

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 14 avril 2013 - 05:47 .

[Samtheman63]

No, destroy all the way

[Zehealingman]

Samtheman63 wrote...

No, destroy all the way

Damn right.

[zeypher]

Nope, still gonna blow the reapers to hell

[apascone]

Nope. Reapers die. It's the only way

[zed888]

No, it wouldn't change a thing. I picked destroy on my first playthrough not knowing she would live, and refuse after installing the EC, which was more of an "up yours" to the game itself than to starkid, knowing I would never play to the end again. I agree the galaxy may be in for pain post destroy, but it's hard to see how it could be worse than the reaper harvest.

Modifié par zed888, 14 avril 2013 - 05:56 .

[Versus Omnibus]

No.

[SpamBot2000]

The entire Catalyst nonsense is still nonsense. Entirely.

[dreamgazer]

Shepard living or dying has zero bearing on my decision.

[Ledgend1221]

So that means Shepard lives in refuse therfore conventinal victory.

[S.A.K]

Samtheman63 wrote...

No, destroy all the way

[Dendio1]

If shepard lives then i'd probably choose control.

Control with shepard alive allows for the least amount of immediate change within the universe.

Part of the reason we fight the reapers is to get things back to the way they were before the war.

Modifié par Dendio1, 14 avril 2013 - 06:17 .

[nani7788]

I would keep Destroy.

[Battlebloodmage]

I would choose refusal. Destroying the reapers using the team efforts.

[conjmk]

Still destroy.

[Kitsumichi]

No, it wouldn't change my mind, destroy the reapers is what I want.

[Liamv2]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

So that means Shepard lives in refuse therfore conventinal victory.

This

[Astartes Marine]

I'd still pick Destroy, whether Shepard lives or dies is a small note in the grand scheme of things.

Since the EC retconned the line of "you can wipe out all synthetics if you want, including the Geth" and replaced it with all synths being targeted and there will be loss, but no more than has already been lost, etc etc. the fate of the Geth is no longer certain. They may actually survive. Holobrat says Shepard will be affected by the blast and yet in a high EMS ending he survives despite being at ground zero of the blast. EC retconned that bit of forced doom and gloom and allows for a ray of sunshine.

Destroying the Reapers breaks the chains of the cycle. No more will the galaxy be threatened by the Reapers. No more will the galaxy be restrained by whatever path of evolution the Reapers desire. We will be FREE. Free to choose our own destiny. Free to build our own future. It will not be given to us on a silver platter, we will earn it. We'll make mistakes and stumble along they way, but they'll be OUR mistakes and we'll live with them.

As Shepard, I built alliances, I ended wars that had been going on for centuries.
I cured the Genophage and left a proud Wrex and grateful Eve to lead them into a future of prosperity.  To the Krogan, the name Shepard now means "Hero".
I got the Turians and Krogans for the first time in over a thousand years to stand side by side, shoulder to shoulder as comrades in arms.
I made peace with the Geth and Quarians and proved that the created do not always have to rebel, nor do the creators have to attack their creations.
I showed the galaxy what humanity really could do, what humanity is really made of, and through my actions the galaxy as a whole was united stronger than it ever was before. Regardless of race, regardless of organic or synthetic, they all stood as one. With all that was learned, and all that was accomplished, the future would be one of hope.

Ledgend1221 wrote...
So that means Shepard lives in refuse therfore conventinal victory.

Ahh...well that's good too.  The Refuse speech does kick butt too.  Very Sheridan like.  Either way the Reapers would be gone.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 14 avril 2013 - 07:26 .

[Iakus]

Shepard's survival might make Refuse more tempting, but ultimately it would not sway me to abandon MEHEM

[Cutlass Jack]

dreamgazer wrote...

Shepard living or dying has zero bearing on my decision.

This. Shepard dying was always an expected possibility for me before I even began playing ME3. And if you aren't metagaming, you have no reasonable expectation of surviving any ending.

So the only factor on my decision is who besides Shepard lived or died based on my choice. I went with the option that only sacrifices myself.

[Linkenski]

I hate EDI in ME3, and Legion dies anyway so i'd choose destroy.

[PistolPete7556]

The galaxy has been united in a way never seen before. With the Reapers gone, who knows what could come next? Destroy is always the best option imo.

[The Night Mammoth]

Hates on Destroyers for apparently advocating genocide.

Thinks of a sentient species as a disease.

Right-oh.

Anyway, since my choice isn't one which factors in Shepard's fate and I don't needlessly headcanon the worst possible situation to justify it, no, nothing changes.

[M Hedonist]

I've always thought Shepard survived in Refuse anyway. That is, the encounter with the Catalyst. It's made clear in EC Shep can communicate with Hackett on the Citadel, he just doesn't do it for the entirety of the Catalyst discussion for whatever reason. The Catalyst doesn't seem to care anymore after getting brain washed by the Crucible or whatever.
After that, who knows? You know, Shep will eventually die, anyway. He could die fighting the Reapers. Or he could get into the next cycle through a cryo pod. Or he could just die through any non-Reaper related cause. Doesn't mean the Reapers were beaten.

Modifié par Sauruz, 14 avril 2013 - 07:51 .

[Adoramei]

Yeah, I didn't pick Destroy and nor could I ever. If Shepard survived another ending, it would make it all the better for me since there's no way Shepard will ever survive any (canon) ending that I pick within the permanent game design.