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[Adoramei]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, I never saw the catalyst, I never heard of the catalyst, I don't give a damn about the catalyst! It doesn't exist in my games.

86 the catalyst, Shep alive, Hell, I'm open to anything.

Agreed.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mangalores wrote...

Oops, sorry for not being clearer. I meant, what minor plot theme were you refering to?

The theme I was referring to was Organic vs. Synthetics. That theme was more or less centralized around the Quarians and the Geth. Perhaps I shouldn't state that theme as minor. It was a large theme, but it was never the main theme or one of the main themes, at least from my viewpoint of the series.

The Reapers themselves rise above being just synthetic into something that is larger, more cosmic in scale.

The main themes in the trilogy that I observed were

Galactic Unity/Galactic Alliances in the face of the Reapers

Friendship, Love, and Camaraderie (Like Band of Brothers)

Self-Determination (We have the choice and power to determine the fate of the galaxy)

Never giving up/losing hope

Order vs. Chaos (Admittedly, Organics vs. Chaos falls under this, though I see that theme as far, far too narrow to suffieciently describe the entirety of the series.)

[Femlob]

[Poll] Shepard lives! What does that change for you?

Not a goddamn thing.

Shitty game is shitty.

Modifié par Femlob, 15 avril 2013 - 06:04 .

[Funkdrspot]

If I pick synthesis, I really feel like I'm cheating because the only way I'm picking that is if I'm metagaming, and to me metagaming is semi-cheating.

No metagame? I lean 90/10 for destroy/control

[Reever]

Han Shot First wrote...

BlueDemonX wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Destroy was always the most appealing
option to me because it is the only one where the Reaper War ends in a
triumph. Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings.

How's that?

The Reaper War ends in a draw with neither side having succeeded in destroying the other. The Reapers and the civilizations of the galaxy simply stop fighting each other, while the Reapers maintain a fully intact and operational fleet capable of annihilating the galaxy any time. The war concludes in armistice and a return to the status quo antebellum. (galaxy's future determined by A.I. overlord)

Destroy is the only ending where the Reaper War ends in victory for the civilizations of the galaxy.

It ends in defeat in Refuse.

I see where your coming from, but them being "destroyed" and "still there" is too black and white of a view. In both Synthesis and Control they're on our side after the war - which can be seen in the epilogues. One can argue that some control Sheps might get mad and restart the circle, but the Synthesis-Reapers have terminated their program, they don't have a reason to attack anyone ever again.

After knowing about the Leviathans, that's another factor I tend to take into account before choosing destroy. They could very easily just take over the organic races yet again... [granted, we don't know how many of them are still left and if they are even willing to do it again].

[Jukaga]

Synthesis hands the galaxy to the Levis on a silver platter, Control is the most responsible ending you can take, assuming you are paragon. My characters alternate between Control and Destroy as my preferred endings. For example, I had a loveless femshep paragon who hooked up with Traynor in ME3, she picked control. My paragade Liaramancer took Destroy.

[Reever]

Jukaga wrote...

Synthesis hands the galaxy to the Levis on a silver platter, Control is the most responsible ending you can take, assuming you are paragon. My characters alternate between Control and Destroy as my preferred endings. For example, I had a loveless femshep paragon who hooked up with Traynor in ME3, she picked control. My paragade Liaramancer took Destroy.

Huh? Why's that? They're also hybrids and the Reapers are "good" now. Only ending that would do that would be Destroy and even then it depends on them being willing to be "Apex predators" again

[Lomskis]

Hmm. I think the “Shepard lives” thing would mess up both blue and green endings.

First – control – is my favourite one, because (apart from keeping Geth alive and avoiding the same mistake Leviathans made) Shepard is incorporated into the system and no-one can take the controls from him. However, if he lives, then what, control option would be some kind of user interface at citadel? With starbrat still active and possibility that politicians eventually remove Shepard from controls? It doesn’t work like this.

And in the second – synthesis (my least favourite one), if Shepard stays alive, in my world he would be probably court-martialed and executed for treason of organic races 

Modifié par Lomskis, 15 avril 2013 - 10:56 .

[Nykara]

I will choose control always. In my headcanon Shep's not really dead no matter what! Now bioware just needs to make it happen

[Jukaga]

BlueDemonX wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

Synthesis hands the galaxy to the Levis on a silver platter, Control is the most responsible ending you can take, assuming you are paragon. My characters alternate between Control and Destroy as my preferred endings. For example, I had a loveless femshep paragon who hooked up with Traynor in ME3, she picked control. My paragade Liaramancer took Destroy.

Huh? Why's that? They're also hybrids and the Reapers are "good" now. Only ending that would do that would be Destroy and even then it depends on them being willing to be "Apex predators" again

Levis clearly had trouble 'assuming direct control' over synthetics, otherwise there never would have been a problem in the first place that made them create the intelligence to look for a solution. Synthesis changes both organics and synthetics into a form that the Leviathans can control.

The Leviathans and their god-complex are the true enemies of the MEU, I bet we'll see something involving them in future ME games.

[Jukaga]

Nykara wrote...

I will choose control always. In my headcanon Shep's not really dead no matter what! Now bioware just needs to make it happen

Even as a non-corporeal intelligence, I bet you could interact virtually with your friends and LI, and there is nothing stopping the Shepalyst from inhabiting a new body AFAIK.

[Voodoo2015]

crimzontearz wrote...

If Shepard survived regardless I would pick control because at that point
1: SHEPARD and not the SHEPALYST is in control of the reapers and
2: everyone lives just as they are with no galactic wide genetic rape and
3: the council (or humanity if your Shepard is that way) has a super army

Until Something goes wrong that Shepard(Shepalyst) goes rouge and the new Cycle begins.
My name is Shepard I am the vanguard of your destruction.

[Voodoo2015]

Destroy with the original ending, Destroy with EC DLC ... But I always chooses MEHEM.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 21 avril 2013 - 07:11 .

[Display Name Owner]

I honestly never had a problem with Shepard dying, in fact I refuse to take the breath scene as a confirmation of survival. So that really doesn't affect the decision I take.

OP makes good points on why keeping the Reapers is a good idea, and I always thought that TIM was right in that tossing away the Reapers' potential is a bad idea (still think his dreams of controlling them were silly), but Destroy remains my favourite ending. I dislike Synthesis for a number of reasons, but I'm not a huge fan of Control either, despite it being the practical choice. I think it's because Control effectively works as a big reset button - the Reapers rebuild the galaxy exactly as it was before they got there, then take their leave and that's it. With Destroy, it always felt to me that there was the most potential for the galaxy to not just rebuild, but do things better than before, and without the creepy unnatural aspects of Synthesis. I suppose that counts for nothing if the Leviathans are as big a problem as some believe though...

But anyway, no Shep's fate doesn't dictate it for me.

[Peranor]

Nope. It does not change my position on the ending.

Modifié par anorling, 21 avril 2013 - 01:37 .

[EnerPrime]

No change. The Reapers are an abomination, a twisted insult to all the civilizations wiped out by the Catalyst. The galaxy deserves to be free from them once and for all, and any remaining echoes of those killed to create them deserve to rest in peace. There is no possible logic that could convince me to let those things continue to exist. You just don't use machines made from the bodies of genocide victims.

And if the Leviathans prove to be a threat, I have faith in a united galaxy to take them out too. We already know a way of blocking their mind control, after all.

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

Destroy is justified. Remember the cold hard calculus of war. Refusal allows the Reapers to eradicate not only the current cycle, but countless unborn souls in future cycles. Destroy will destroy all current synthetic life in the current cycle. But it is the price to ensure that future life, synthetic or organic is given the right and means to flourish without the threat of extinction by the Reapers.

[NeroonWilliams]

Interesting. Just like when I was faced with the initial choice, I had to really think about this.

As it turns out, having Shepard actually alive rather than transformed makes my preferred choice (Control) as much or even more unpalatable as those who claim that "Control is a police state" would have us believe. While I always took Control to be much more "status quo under new management", an untransformed Shepard can only be the new management until he/she dies.

In the end, I'd have to change to Destroy as a preferred outcome with all of the inherent uncertainty that comes along with it because Synthesis just seems to be skipping too much of the development curve for too much of the galaxy (i.e. we're NOT ready).

*Edit* For the record, a majority of my Shepards DO choose Destroy for their own reasons.  The Shepards that are closest to my own personality are the ones who have chosen Control.

Modifié par NeroonWilliams, 24 juin 2013 - 01:22 .

[Nykara]

It would at least possibly make my ending choice slightly better ( control ). It wouldn't change it though. It also wouldn't make how they ended it any better.

[KaiserShep]

Honestly, if Shepard was able to live in all three options, I would give serious consideration to Control, only because she could use the reapers to rebuild the relays, then force the whole lot of them to fly into the sun once their job is done, rather than promote this hokey guardian of the galaxy for all time nonsense. But from a roleplaying perspective, there's still the problem of the gamble involved. She just finished asking the Illusive Man if he was willing to bet humanity's existence on his ability to control the reapers, so why would she? It's a mighty big leap of faith. The only thing that would make me more reluctant to pick destroy is that I really don't want the geth and EDI to die. As I've said before, the reapers' continued existence is still extremely problematic for me.

Synthesis is absolutely off the table no matter what, because it strikes the hardest blow against the idea that the galaxy can be united, without being forced to homogenize.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 juin 2013 - 02:58 .

[Dextro Milk]

Wulf thread? Surely this is a necro...

He was taken to the depths of the the daedric realms (Most likely the Shivering Ises)

[KaiserShep]

Admittedly, I thought it was a good question.

[lecho_himself]

No. First thing, the mission is to destroy. Shepard is a soldier and he has to obey the order, unless he wants to spend another gazillion years in custody like after ME2. Second thing is I dont believe in any single word the Catalyst is saying about control and I think it's a way of indoctrination. And about Synthesis, I dont think that its right for Shepard to decide how all of the galaxy's life will look like all by himself.

[The Night Mammoth]

Wulf is gone but his legacy remains.

Like polio.