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[Rinshikai10]

@TheKomandorShepard, Azarhal

Did the new info say anything about Cassandras loyalties?

Its possible that she left Justinia's service, but she could also be spying on us for the Divine. I have not seen the Dev tweets, so I have no clue.

[azarhal]

No new information, only speculations.

I just don't think that Cassandra is a spy, doesn't fit her personality as shown in DotS and DAII.

edit:
Although, there was an E3 tweet by Mary Kirkby that make more sense now. The ones where she was joking about Cassandra reading High in Hightown II and that Varric would be upset if he learned about it. She went on saying that a friend doesn't let a friend buy illegal sequels or something like that. Basically, she let it slip that Varric and Cassandra are friends and now we learn they were traveling together before joining the Inquisition.

Modifié par azarhal, 09 août 2013 - 12:28 .

[Rinshikai10]

Too straight forward, and heavy-handed?

(Edit)
Interesting, Varric seems pretty neutral about the M/T conflict. I wonder how that friendship happened.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 09 août 2013 - 12:34 .

[azarhal]

Rinshikai10 wrote...
Too straight forward, and heavy-handed?

That and she's also big on honor in DotS and DAII too I guess, because
she 'gave her word' to Varric that after the Interrogation he would be
free. She's also too well known as the Hero of Orlais and Right Hand of
the Divine. Everyone will probably associate her right away with the Divine.

Rinshikai10 wrote...
(Edit)
Interesting, Varric seems pretty neutral about the M/T conflict. I wonder how that friendship happened.

My current theory is that he wants to write her biography and she like his stories so she don't mind him tagging along.

[Potato Cat]

If we get a resolution to the red lyrium storyline, maybe that'll sway Varric one way or the other. It did destroy Bartrand after all. Maybe one faction was aware of it but did nothing about it? Or they want to harness its power?

[Rinshikai10]

azarhal wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...
Too straight forward, and heavy-handed?

That and she's also big on honor in DotS and DAII too I guess, because
she 'gave her word' to Varric that after the Interrogation he would be
free. She's also too well known as the Hero of Orlais and Right Hand of
the Divine. Everyone will probably associate her right away with the Divine.

Rinshikai10 wrote...
(Edit)
Interesting, Varric seems pretty neutral about the M/T conflict. I wonder how that friendship happened.

My current theory is that he wants to write her biography and she like his stories so she don't mind him tagging along.

The banter would be epic!

Still I wonder (If your theory turn out to be true) what would make Cassandra forsake her loyalty to the Chantry/Divine?

[Rinshikai10]

azarhal wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...
Too straight forward, and heavy-handed?

That and she's also big on honor in DotS and DAII too I guess, because
she 'gave her word' to Varric that after the Interrogation he would be
free. She's also too well known as the Hero of Orlais and Right Hand of
the Divine. Everyone will probably associate her right away with the Divine.

Rinshikai10 wrote...
(Edit)
Interesting, Varric seems pretty neutral about the M/T conflict. I wonder how that friendship happened.

My current theory is that he wants to write her biography and she like his stories so she don't mind him tagging along.

That's a fair point, I also believe that you could apply this to Leliana as well. From her appearances in DA2 and Asunder, even if she tried something that had nothing to do with Justinia or the Chantry, there is a strong chance that is how she will be seen regardless.

At this point I have to wonder just how powerless these three feel?

Any thoughts?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I never heard about cassandra in both games from peoples so she isn't so famous but about hawke peoples discuss probably everywhere at least in tevinter and orlais.

About leliana her codex entry in da 2 http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

[Rinshikai10]

Did they ever fix the codex import bug?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Did they ever fix the codex import bug?

Nope they are too lazy in some cases codex is so buged that tells me that my male mage married alistair.

[Rinshikai10]

Weird, I believe that my point still stands though. In all four situations, Leliana is Justinias left hand. Likely painting her as a chantry loyalest regardless of what she says and does. Making her a very limited tool that can be used.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Weird, I believe that my point still stands though. In all four situations, Leliana is Justinias left hand. Likely painting her as a chantry loyalest regardless of what she says and does. Making her a very limited tool that can be used.

Well that depends in what conflict if in mage-templar war she can't do much because she stick around divine too much she need someone with good reputation like hawke (who have good relations with mages/templars) or warden who i guess is master when it comes about solving problems and if mage and asked for freeing circle have mages favor.

[azarhal]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I never heard about cassandra in both games from peoples so she isn't so famous but about hawke peoples discuss probably everywhere at least in tevinter and orlais.

About leliana her codex entry in da 2 http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

A lot of the Dragon Age lore was written after DAO, Cassandra probably didn't exist on paper when DAO was release and neither did Hawke, but the Pentaghasts being well known dragon hunters is mentioned. I'm also unsure when they decide to add to her background too, DAII might already have been well advanced. This is why it's not included, it might have been cut as well. Cassandra was supposed to show up in Act 3. Oh and her act of heroism happend in 9:22, it's probably not part of mainstream discussions anymore.

As for being less known than Hawke. Just the name Pentaghast carries weight, they are known as the Legendary Dragon Hunters and the Royal family of Nevarra. Her actions that awarded her with the titles of Hero of Orlais and Right hand of the Divine just added to her hereditary fame...

[BioFan (Official)]

I bet it had something to do with the villain who is "pulling the strings"

[Rinshikai10]

As of now I don't think the Grey Wardens in general would support the Chantry. WoT talks about the current overall leader (possibly the High Constable or First Warden) being vocal against the Status Quo. (King using the Chantrys words to control the people of the Anderfels.)

With our own Wardens it could vary.

With Hawke I don't know how the individual would act due to player decisions.

However, I do believe that the Chantry's reputation has been going down hill since the battle of Kirkwall. While I don't see much of it in Orlais, other nations seem to be losing trust in them. Which does not give Justinias faction much in political sway outside the Empire.

[TheKomandorShepard]

azarhal wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I never heard about cassandra in both games from peoples so she isn't so famous but about hawke peoples discuss probably everywhere at least in tevinter and orlais.

About leliana her codex entry in da 2 http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

A lot of the Dragon Age lore was written after DAO, Cassandra probably didn't exist on paper when DAO was release and neither did Hawke, but the Pentaghasts being well known dragon hunters is mentioned. I'm also unsure when they decide to add to her background too, DAII might already have been well advanced. This is why it's not included, it might have been cut as well. Cassandra was supposed to show up in Act 3. Oh and her act of heroism happend in 9:22, it's probably not part of mainstream discussions anymore.

As for being less known than Hawke. Just the name Pentaghast carries weight, they are known as the Legendary Dragon Hunters and the Royal family of Nevarra. Her actions that awarded her with the titles of Hero of Orlais and Right hand of the Divine just added to her hereditary fame...

Well she was in da 2 but we didn't hear about her nothing maybe because she was only hero because she saved divine of dominant religion she didn't kill pride demon and high dragon only younger dragon. Hawke actions were more heroical killing leader of religion/philosophy what is hated bringing victory mages/templars and many other crap well hawke have killed many powerful creatures.I don't know maybe thats fault anime but biggest thing what cassandra do there was defeating knight-commander. In heroism rate warden wins but it is decreased because others countries was no affected by blight so i guess hawke in popularity ranking wins after third act.  But now i m wonder if hawke have now positive or negative reputatuion for common peoples.

Well divine seems not be liked by some nobles in orlais even maybe by empress so she may be blocked in orlais to.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 11 août 2013 - 09:31 .

[Rinshikai10]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

azarhal wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I never heard about cassandra in both games from peoples so she isn't so famous but about hawke peoples discuss probably everywhere at least in tevinter and orlais.

About leliana her codex entry in da 2 http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

A lot of the Dragon Age lore was written after DAO, Cassandra probably didn't exist on paper when DAO was release and neither did Hawke, but the Pentaghasts being well known dragon hunters is mentioned. I'm also unsure when they decide to add to her background too, DAII might already have been well advanced. This is why it's not included, it might have been cut as well. Cassandra was supposed to show up in Act 3. Oh and her act of heroism happend in 9:22, it's probably not part of mainstream discussions anymore.

As for being less known than Hawke. Just the name Pentaghast carries weight, they are known as the Legendary Dragon Hunters and the Royal family of Nevarra. Her actions that awarded her with the titles of Hero of Orlais and Right hand of the Divine just added to her hereditary fame...

Well she was in da 2 but we didn't hear about her nothing maybe because she was only hero because she saved divine of dominant religion she didn't kill pride demon and high dragon only younger dragon. Hawke actions were more heroical killing leader of religion/philosophy what is hated bringing victory mages/templars and many other crap well hawke have killed many powerful creatures.I don't know maybe thats fault anime but biggest thing what cassandra do there was defeating knight-commander. In heroism rate warden wins but it is decreased because others countries was no affected by blight so i guess hawke in popularity ranking wins after third act.  But now i m wonder if hawke have now positive or negative reputatuion for common peoples.

Well divine seems not be liked by some nobles in orlais even maybe by empress so she may be blocked in orlais to.

You make a good point, it seems like Celene is trying to advance the empire in a way that does not give the Chantry much power. The most obvious being the collage.

[Rinshikai10]

This bit of info was what I was trying to explain in my last post.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Orlais

The capital city is Val Royeaux, which boasts the University of Orlais: a major center of learning that attracts young nobles from all over Thedas with the best education one can buy. The University is a relatively modern institution, whose liberal-minded professors have already clashed with religious conservatives over the content of their classes. This is likely to become a much larger issue in the future.

[Rinshikai10]

@azarhal

It looks like your right. Cassandras views do appear to have changed after the events of DA2. Which could be a deadly blow to Justinias efforts for a peaceful solution.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

@azarhal

It looks like your right. Cassandras views do appear to have changed after the events of DA2. Which could be a deadly blow to Justinias efforts for a peaceful solution.

Well character could change in many ways but still may support divine she could become nicer or more ruthless , wiser dumber , more idealistic or cynical i rly doubt she will be something other than pro-chantry (divine) or changed into pro-templar other options would be out of her character at least that part they showed us in movie and game.  

[azarhal]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

@azarhal

It looks like your right. Cassandras views do appear to have changed after the events of DA2. Which could be a deadly blow to Justinias efforts for a peaceful solution.

To Justinia's effort maybe, depending what her solution is. But I'm certain that Cassandra is working on understanding others so the hatred stop and find a way to have peace. This "solution" might end up "no more chantry, templars nor circles" and building something new out of the ashes.

Seems like Justinia might have something to do with the Inquisition too. In that concept art, which is at the start of the game when the PC is made Inquisitor. You can see Cassandra (with fancy white gloves, I found them distracting), the femquisitor holding a flag and somebody who looks like Leliana on the stage...

[Rinshikai10]

I remember seeing this, however, I get the feeling that this is just one possible situation that can happen. There are a few other pieces that show the inquisitor is other situations, that don't appear to be connected to the Chantry at all.

If Justinia is connected to the Inquisition, I doubt that she would work with them if it meant forsaking the faith that she and IMHO Leliana cling to. I can see her trying to manipulate them, but never say that it was for the Chantrys best interests. If the Divine is found to be connected to this group, credibility would drop like a stone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

azarhal wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

@azarhal

It looks like your right. Cassandras views do appear to have changed after the events of DA2. Which could be a deadly blow to Justinias efforts for a peaceful solution.

To Justinia's effort maybe, depending what her solution is. But I'm certain that Cassandra is working on understanding others so the hatred stop and find a way to have peace. This "solution" might end up "no more chantry, templars nor circles" and building something new out of the ashes.

Seems like Justinia might have something to do with the Inquisition too. In that concept art, which is at the start of the game when the PC is made Inquisitor. You can see Cassandra (with fancy white gloves, I found them distracting), the femquisitor holding a flag and somebody who looks like Leliana on the stage...

I think that is not cassandra but divine and next person perhaps inquisitor (considering that is symbol of the Inquisition or seekers what looks more seekers)  and leliana i hope that it is one of the possible outcomes if we are chantry loyalists not event when you work against chantry (oh irony that like for not chantry organization symbol of the Inquisition is combination templars and seekers) that would be ultimate stupidity of divine if she create inquisition and set as leader someone who is hostile towards her organization but she prove she isn't smartest already and considering what devs done to make tallis looking good they made super dumb hawke wouldn't be surprised.

[Rinshikai10]

azarhal wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

@azarhal

It looks like your right. Cassandras views do appear to have changed after the events of DA2. Which could be a deadly blow to Justinias efforts for a peaceful solution.

To Justinia's effort maybe, depending what her solution is. But I'm certain that Cassandra is working on understanding others so the hatred stop and find a way to have peace. This "solution" might end up "no more chantry, templars nor circles" and building something new out of the ashes.

Seems like Justinia might have something to do with the Inquisition too. In that concept art, which is at the start of the game when the PC is made Inquisitor. You can see Cassandra (with fancy white gloves, I found them distracting), the femquisitor holding a flag and somebody who looks like Leliana on the stage...

I have to disagree with you on this. I don't believe that Cassandra is looking to stop the hatred. I believe that she is trying to find the truth (as she says in DA2) but, she may not like what she has found.

[azarhal]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I have to disagree with you on this. I don't believe that Cassandra is looking to stop the hatred. I believe that she is trying to find the truth (as she says in DA2) but, she may not like what she has found.

Wanting to know the truth is all about stopping the hatred. It's about understanding others and coming up with a solution. The original Seeker of Truth (i.e. original Inquisition) where seeking for a truth too. This truth was how to restore sanity in a world gone mad (World of Thedas). Cassandra is just walking on their footsteps (and the new Inquisition too I bet).

Really, the writers might have been going a bit too much Sword of Truth with the idea...