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[Rinshikai10]

That's a fair point, I got a similar feeling from both Sten and the Arishok. Just from my own experiences, both appear to respect those that are honest and stay true to their work.

I can definitely see this as a problem for Orlais and Jusitnia (Who may have been a bard in the past.)

It seems like the only individuals the Qunari respect are the Warden/GreyWarden Order, and the CoK if certain decisions are made.

[azarhal]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

It seems like the only individuals the Qunari respect are the Warden/GreyWarden Order, and the CoK if certain decisions are made.

They respect the Grey Wardens order because they are known as great warriors. Sten says as much when you meet him for the first time in DAO.

[Rinshikai10]

I remember that, but he also says that he is unsure if the Warden is really a Warden. That only changes after we help him.

I still get the impression that Stens line at the coronation "I owe you a dept" (Warden says I will hold you to that) "And if I'm in a position to fulfill it I will" Or something to that affect.

I don't see this a gospel, but it does give a foreshadowing IMHO. Why put that line in if it has no purpose? (me just being optimistic)

There are very few chances, if any left for Justinia at this point. If war becomes the only option, I don't see it ending well for her, or the Chantry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I remember that, but he also says that he is unsure if the Warden is really a Warden. That only changes after we help him.

I still get the impression that Stens line at the coronation "I owe you a dept" (Warden says I will hold you to that) "And if I'm in a position to fulfill it I will" Or something to that affect.

I don't see this a gospel, but it does give a foreshadowing IMHO. Why put that line in if it has no purpose? (me just being optimistic)

There are very few chances, if any left for Justinia at this point. If war becomes the only option, I don't see it ending well for her, or the Chantry.

to be honest they changed a lot of crap from first da and daa making that didn't happened like oghren who should be with felsi or warden who chose leave wardens and travel and many many endings like leliana protecing ashes or who was send into examination of darkspawn.

and even look at sten he was start to change like talking to dog and when he returned he was probably brainwashed to "fit" qun. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 septembre 2013 - 04:13 .

[Rinshikai10]

Did you ever read the comics?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Did you ever read the comics?

you mean that sten is arishok?

nothing changes he still attacks alistair well and it shows how they brainwashed him. 

[Rinshikai10]

Then he later helps him. Sten may be Arishok and thus must enforce the Qun. However, he also helps the trio in what small way he can, after Alistair duels him.

While this could simply be him helping a Warden, I believe he also calls Alistair Kadan (I think it means friend)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Then he later helps him. Sten may be Arishok and thus must enforce the Qun. However, he also helps the trio in what small way he can, after Alistair duels him.

While this could simply be him helping a Warden, I believe he also calls Alistair Kadan (I think it means friend)

yeah but he did that only because alistair defeated him just to agree to help him in attacking his enemy that says a lot.

[Cantina]

By the time I finished reading "Asunder," I was convinced the current Divine is only out to save her own hide. Think about it: IF you were faced with an army of Templars or Mages, what would you choose? The Divine knows she has a higher chance of surviving the war making the Mages believe she is on their side. OK, so she lost a few Templars and Seekers, so what!?! They can be replaced.

The Divine's whole sympathy towards the Mages is just a ploy. The Chantry has been scheming for ages to keep Mages on a tight leash. Divine Justina is no different.

Modifié par Cantina, 24 septembre 2013 - 07:40 .

[MisterJB]

We can hope.

[Rinshikai10]

For what?

[Rinshikai10]

Cantina wrote...

By the time I finished reading "Asunder," I was convinced the current Divine is only out to save her own hide. Think about it: IF you were faced with an army of Templars or Mages, what would you choose? The Divine knows she has a higher chance of surviving the war making the Mages believe she is on their side. OK, so she lost a few Templars and Seekers, so what!?! They can be replaced.

The Divine's whole sympathy towards the Mages is just a ploy. The Chantry has been scheming for ages to keep Mages on a tight leash. Divine Justina is no different.

Any particular examples in Asunder that gave you that impression Cantina?

Personally  I always got the feeling that Justinia is experiencing guilt from a life she now regrets. Making her believe that the only way she can redeem herself is to preform some grand gesture to change the world. In the hopes of being spared the void.      

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Cantina wrote...

By the time I finished reading "Asunder," I was convinced the current Divine is only out to save her own hide. Think about it: IF you were faced with an army of Templars or Mages, what would you choose? The Divine knows she has a higher chance of surviving the war making the Mages believe she is on their side. OK, so she lost a few Templars and Seekers, so what!?! They can be replaced.

The Divine's whole sympathy towards the Mages is just a ploy. The Chantry has been scheming for ages to keep Mages on a tight leash. Divine Justina is no different.

Any particular examples in Asunder that gave you that impression Cantina?

Personally  I always got the feeling that Justinia is experiencing guilt from a life she now regrets. Making her believe that the only way she can redeem herself is to preform some grand gesture to change the world. In the hopes of being spared the void.      

Perhaps but we actually never seen any suggestions that in game except codex entry what may refer to her life as noble like sebastian.She remainds me Amelyssan a type who try play goody two shoes but she plans something for herself and it isn't nice.I don't trust her and she doesn't deserve to be trusted her actions and side what she supports for some reasons seems change in da 2 she was more on templar side and didn't care in asunder after mage rebelion she now tells us how she cares about mages coincidence?  

[Rinshikai10]

@TheKomanderShepard

So like Cantina you believe that Justinia is just putting on a front?

When it comes to the DA2 info we get from the Codex and Leliana, I have to agree that Justinia seems to have change views. However, I remember Wynne saying in Asunder that the Divine has been working on the Tranquil research since the start of her reign.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

@TheKomanderShepard

So like Cantina you believe that Justinia is just putting on a front?

When it comes to the DA2 info we get from the Codex and Leliana, I have to agree that Justinia seems to have change views. However, I remember Wynne saying in Asunder that the Divine has been working on the Tranquil research since the start of her reign.

she must be up to something or it is bad writing that character has changed from barely tolerate mages and care only about her power and power of organisation she is in charge.Wynne is naive as hell and she paid for her naivety and belive in templars. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 26 septembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Rinshikai10]

So, so far the theories are

1) Justinia is no different the any other Divine that came before her.
2) She is playing the Game trying to save own skin.
3) She's a blood mage trying to take control of the Chantry.
4) She is trying to redeem herself after a life time of being a Bard.
5) She is an idealist who has no idea how to lead.

Am I missing any theories?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

So, so far the theories are

1) Justinia is no different the any other Divine that came before her.
2) She is playing the Game trying to save own skin.
5) She is an idealist who has no idea how to lead.

Am I missing any theories?

One of these but i would say
1)She is different because she practically helped mages but i think that she was more about her than mages.
2)Hmm i would say that she plays the game because she have benefits from that rather to save own skin,
5)possible she wasn't competent leader unless that was some sort ridiculous plan which i doubt she failed no matter of intentions.

[Angrywolves]

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

And the Tevinter's Chantry reinterpretation of the Chant. We would also need to discuss in depth the Chant with them, to see how they interpret it, not just the parts on magic. And probably overthrow them because "Foul and Corrupt are he who takes his gifts and turn it against his children." Which is something we know the Tevinter Magisters do on a regular basis.

[Rinshikai10]

I have my doubts that Leliana would ever become Divine. Every time we have seen her she is always following the orders of someone else.

Besides that, I really doubt that she would be able to act as a Divine due to age, and how little she is known by others in the Chantry.

In DA2, Lady Johane Harimann, put a Vael in the princes sit because she knew that using her own would likely cause a full on rebellion by the other families.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

divine leliana is current divine dog divine=marjolene to leliana leliana isn't leader type or even some one who follow own path she is tool type.Well every know leliana past at least when it comes about moment with warden , i don't even mention many suspicious peoples know her from her past so i don't see her as divine and she is lay sister if she still is one she is just  tool of divine who do dirty stuff nothing more.    

[Rinshikai10]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

divine leliana is current divine dog divine=marjolene to leliana leliana isn't leader type or even some one who follow own path she is tool type.Well every know leliana past at least when it comes about moment with warden , i don't even mention many suspicious peoples know her from her past so i don't see her as divine and she is lay sister if she still is one she is just  tool of divine who do dirty stuff nothing more.    

While I don't like using the word tool, it is starting to look that way. From my view it seems like Leliana prefers to follow rather then lead. (Nearly every life changing decision she goes through that I have seen has always come from someone else. Justinia, Marjolene, Warden, and supposedly the Maker.

If Justinia does die, what will Leliana do?

Remember that it's possible that Leliana never traveled with the Warden. (Some player play through)

[Angrywolves]

The Divine Leliana possibility popped into my head.
Like I said, I expect the Inquisitor will be able to replace Justinia, there may be other candidates who would be more suitable and more accepted by the people .
I expect and hope it will be a difficult choice full of dire consequences if the wrong person becomes the Divine .
As far as the chant is concerned , we need a true account of it.
I expect it has been altered by various Divines to suit their own ambitions .
Tevinter I expect will be a thrilling place to visit.
I hate the slavery and the blood magic and that has to stop.
Finding some someone trustworthy to lead Tevinter , their own Divine or someone else should be another huge challenge for the Inquisitor .
That's why I do expect a party member to be from Tevinter .
The Inquisitor will need their knowledge of Tevinter's politics and people to make good decisions there.
My 2 cents.
shrugs.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

divine leliana is current divine dog divine=marjolene to leliana leliana isn't leader type or even some one who follow own path she is tool type.Well every know leliana past at least when it comes about moment with warden , i don't even mention many suspicious peoples know her from her past so i don't see her as divine and she is lay sister if she still is one she is just  tool of divine who do dirty stuff nothing more.    

While I don't like using the word tool, it is starting to look that way. From my view it seems like Leliana prefers to follow rather then lead. (Nearly every life changing decision she goes through that I have seen has always come from someone else. Justinia, Marjolene, Warden, and supposedly the Maker.

If Justinia does die, what will Leliana do?

Remember that it's possible that Leliana never traveled with the Warden. (Some player play through)

well what our dog did after human noble warden death (well non-warden because he died and was replaced by another person) he found another master and thats what leliana did after marjolene betrayal.