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[Rinshikai10]

True, however, I get the feeling the Leliana may not work for someone who is not on good terms with the Chantry. She is very pious in her views, I would say to a point that it would color who she would be willing work with. (Inquisitor may not be connected to the chantry)

Justinia was the one who brought Leliana into the faith. I doubt she would want her to leave like Cassandra appears to have.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

True, however, I get the feeling the Leliana may not work for someone who is not on good terms with the Chantry. She is very pious in her views, I would say to a point that it would color who she would be willing work with. (Inquisitor may not be connected to the chantry)

Justinia was the one who brought Leliana into the faith. I doubt she would want her to leave like Cassandra appears to have.

Why leliana leave marjolene path because she was broken and thats why she become beliver break her or her faith and i assure you she will jump to another.

[Rinshikai10]

 Your saying that if Leliana is betrayed or someone questions her faith to the point where she not longer  follows it, will once again change her faith or master? Or both?

I don't really get that feeling from her. I see Bards having a malleable loyalty, but she seems very protective of Justinia, and her view on where the Chantry should go.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:58 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Another faith or master? Or both?

i think that i use wrong word and i should use view now we have marjolene who taught leliana her outlook on life and leliana followed that blindly but her master hurt and broke her so leliana (marjolene) outlook failed her.But next we have divine who helped her and offered her new outlook so leliana took that just look on dorothea she is shown in ls as idealistic and manipulative and what is leliana in dao? So she will find another master in offers her path if leliana after marjolene meet qunari she would end as qunari. 

[Rinshikai10]

She has already met Tallis.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

She has already met Tallis.

well i mean that after marjolene betrayal if qunari would offer her shelter she would take that and take their view.

[Rinshikai10]

Ah I see what your saying.

Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry? Or are you using this example to answer my what is Justinia died question?

(Sorry got confused)

It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a player.

Even though both Justinia and her seem to believe that they left the Game for a higher calling, it still seems like they never truly left it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Ah I see what your saying.

Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry? Or are you using this example to answer my what is Justinia died question?

(Sorry got confused)

It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a player.

Even though both Justinia and her seem to believe that they left the Game for a higher calling, it still seems like they never truly left it.

"Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry?"

That , besides do you remember what leliana said to marjolene "i m no longer your mirror" but isn't now leliana dorothea mirror?

"It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene
shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a
player."
Not rly see her dialogue about manipulation she didn't see that as wrong what shows her hypocrisy she just go to the chantry because marjolene kicked her out what dog does after someone kick him out he go seek another owner.



 

[Rinshikai10]

 

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Ah I see what your saying.

Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry? Or are you using this example to answer my what is Justinia died question?

(Sorry got confused)

It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a player.

Even though both Justinia and her seem to believe that they left the Game for a higher calling, it still seems like they never truly left it.

"Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry?"

That , besides do you remember what leliana said to marjolene "i m no longer your mirror" but isn't now leliana dorothea mirror?

"It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene
shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a
player."
Not rly see her dialogue about manipulation she didn't see that as wrong what shows her hypocrisy she just go to the chantry because marjolene kicked her out what dog does after someone kick him out he go seek another owner.

The bolded is pretty much how I see the irony of Leliana.

Last I checked Leliana was left for dead by Marjolene, and theremay have been plans for her to be sold to the Empress. (Not 100% sure on that point).  I don't understand how joining the Chantry is hypocrisy. Can you explain that to me, or am I reading you post wrong?

 

[Angrywolves]

Some fans think Leliana was deliberately planted with the warden by the chantry.
Which would mean they knew about Loghain and sent Leliana along .
Of course one poster I saw on another thread brought this up and condemmed Leliana for being a chantry plant.
But in his distain for Leliana he missed the obvious point that if the chantry sent Leliana to join the warden , then they also sent her to make sure the warden succeeded.
My 2 cents.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

 

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Ah I see what your saying.

Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry? Or are you using this example to answer my what is Justinia died question?

(Sorry got confused)

It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a player.

Even though both Justinia and her seem to believe that they left the Game for a higher calling, it still seems like they never truly left it.

"Is your example a what if situation during the Leliana song if the Qunari had taken her in rather then the Chantry?"

That , besides do you remember what leliana said to marjolene "i m no longer your mirror" but isn't now leliana dorothea mirror?

"It was my understanding that she joins the Chantry because Marjolene
shows her what its like to be the victim of the Game rather then a
player."
Not rly see her dialogue about manipulation she didn't see that as wrong what shows her hypocrisy she just go to the chantry because marjolene kicked her out what dog does after someone kick him out he go seek another owner.

The bolded is pretty much how I see the irony of Leliana.

Last I checked Leliana was left for dead by Marjolene, and theremay have been plans for her to be sold to the Empress. (Not 100% sure on that point).  I don't understand how joining the Chantry is hypocrisy. Can you explain that to me, or am I reading you post wrong?

 

not that she join to chantry is hypocrisy but her manipulation view is hypocrisy she tells you that she doesn't mind doing that as well she get what she wants , but that what marjolene did and she blame her even better romance her and morrigan or zevran as female she starts blame warden for playing with her feelings you can even tell her "but girl you did that same" what leaves her with no arguments.

Angrywolves wrote...

Some fans think Leliana was deliberately planted with the warden by the chantry.
Which would mean they knew about Loghain and sent Leliana along .
Of course one poster I saw on another thread brought this up and condemmed Leliana for being a chantry plant.
But
in his distain for Leliana he missed the obvious point that if the
chantry sent Leliana to join the warden , then they also sent her to
make sure the warden succeeded.
My 2 cents.

to be honest i doubt that she was in chantry 2 years and she doesn't leave or receive messages acording to marjolene i think that she was just looking for excuses to leave chantry and come back to her previous life with one excuse or another.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 28 septembre 2013 - 01:48 .

[Rinshikai10]

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously the Inquisitor can overthrow Justiana, replace her with someone else, Divine Leliana just occured to me.
I'll consider doing it if it's feasible .
Of course Tevinter has it's own Divine , assume we'll probably meet him and his council and have to decide about him as well.

At this point, I don't believe that we will be taking control of the Chantry or, replacing Justinia.

From the map that they showed at the live events are we even going to go that far north? Tevinter's capital is on the northern coast of the continent.

[Master Warder Z_]

 My personal hope is that if a Inquistor supportive of the Templars can lead an assault against the Divine which ultimately ends with her death or abdacation.

She is unworthy to sit on that damn throne when she is looking at the Mages and seeing anything less then one of the most emcompassing and evident threats to Humanity in Thedas.

Mages are a more sinsister foe then even Darkspawn.

[Br3admax]

Master Warder Z wrote...

 My personal hope is that if a Inquistor supportive of the Templars can lead an assault against the Divine which ultimately ends with her death or abdacation.

She is unworthy to sit on that damn throne when she is looking at the Mages and seeing anything less then one of the most emcompassing and evident threats to Humanity in Thedas.

Mages are a more sinsister foe then even Darkspawn.

Lol, can't tell if serious. Especially sense darkspawn have mages. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Br3ad wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

 My personal hope is that if a Inquistor supportive of the Templars can lead an assault against the Divine which ultimately ends with her death or abdacation.

She is unworthy to sit on that damn throne when she is looking at the Mages and seeing anything less then one of the most emcompassing and evident threats to Humanity in Thedas.

Mages are a more sinsister foe then even Darkspawn.

Lol, can't tell if serious. Especially sense darkspawn have mages. 

I thought it was evident i was completely serious.

Magic is a curse in Dragon Age, too much temptation to fall to forbidden magics, abandon morality all together and just generally live up to the reputation of Magic. Even in Dragon Orgins that was shown, in the expanded canon it was shown, In game, in the animated movie.

You have a mountain of evidence condemning magic, And yet it still has defenders.

And the Darkspawn aren't a threat in anything other then a broad sense, The Blights are a horrid event to be sure but there rarity and duration aside you can have centuries with out ever seeing a darkspawn upon the surface but that said. The threat posed by them is contained at the moment, nothing is contained when it comes to Mages.

Pure ego, and stupidity drives them to fall pray to organic frality and often insanity.

Temptation is something that corrupts every one and Mages are showed much temptation.

The Divine obviously cannot comprehend that, therefore there can be no true peace while she is within power.

Might as well be a damn mage like in the imperium.

[Angrywolves]

I feel pretty sure the Inquisitor can get rid of Justinia, if it's in the best interest of Thedas to do so .
Bioware likes to say the Inquisitor isn't controlled by the chantry and has freedom .
Why should we have to tolerate the chantry if it's part of the problem ?
shrugs.

[Angrywolves]

BTW, Darrah mentioned Tevinter in an interview with Adam Sessler.

[Gold Dragon]

Not all mages fall to forbidden magics.


Is a sword evil?  It is used to kill people.  Shall we ban swords, too?


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Rinshikai10]

Angrywolves wrote...

BTW, Darrah mentioned Tevinter in an interview with Adam Sessler.

Can you provide the source?

Last I checked the Black Divine is in Minrathous, just because we may go to Tevinter does not mean we will be going to Minrathous. (Sorry if I sound like a pessimist)

The problem that I see with killing/removing Justinia is that may not stop the Chantry. It may even give the more fanatical members a chance to unite. She is not the most loved person right now, even among faithful. From what I can see shes in a way pushed herself into the position of Divine, and now she can't control what she had.

[Angrywolves]

Sheesh not another source asker again.
I just can't win. Rotfl.
This system I use doesn't do links.
It was part of Pax. Sessler does interviews and gaming reviews for online gaming website.
Sessler interviewed Darrah, at the interview end as he was standing up to leave Darrah mentions Tevinter.
I thought that was odd.
Still I was excited because up to that point I hadn't heard anything about Tevinter.
Even if I could link I don't have the addy. I had gone to youtube, watched all the Pax related stuff I could find and stumbled across the interview .
Sorry I couldn't help you.
No hard feelings I hope. rotfl.

[Rinshikai10]

That perfectly fine, not much info has come out over the last month or so. I'm just trying to stay informed.

I'm still on the fence when it comes to opposing the Chantry. I though I read DG saying that we will not be able to topple the organization. If the leaked survey holds any truths there may be a chance the the Divine is already dead. (not 100% sure)

[Angrywolves]

Well I hope we can appoint someone Divine who will correct the errors of the past, be committed to fair treatment of nonbelievers like the dalish and dwarves, restore verses cut from the chant by dishonest and corrupt chantry leaders, etc.

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

Well I hope we can appoint someone Divine who will correct the errors of the past, be committed to fair treatment of nonbelievers like the dalish and dwarves, restore verses cut from the chant by dishonest and corrupt chantry leaders, etc.

That's not likely. The Divine is elected by the Grand Clerics. Chances are, we'll have something similar to "A Paragon of Their Kind" when it comes to choosing another Divine. Chances are, if such is the case, we'll likely choose between a popular Divine who'll put the hammer down on heathens and mages, but will probably get things back together quickly, or a Divine who stands for what is right, from a Western Civilization viewpoint, but may be like Harrowmont in how effective she is.

[Angrywolves]

ugh.
Don't want another Bhelen verses Harromont situation .
Hope Gaider spares us that.

[Rinshikai10]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Well I hope we can appoint someone Divine who will correct the errors of the past, be committed to fair treatment of nonbelievers like the dalish and dwarves, restore verses cut from the chant by dishonest and corrupt chantry leaders, etc.

That's not likely. The Divine is elected by the Grand Clerics. Chances are, we'll have something similar to "A Paragon of Their Kind" when it comes to choosing another Divine. Chances are, if such is the case, we'll likely choose between a popular Divine who'll put the hammer down on heathens and mages, but will probably get things back together quickly, or a Divine who stands for what is right, from a Western Civilization viewpoint, but may be like Harrowmont in how effective she is.

That's an interesting possibility.