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[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Well I hope we can appoint someone Divine who will correct the errors of the past, be committed to fair treatment of nonbelievers like the dalish and dwarves, restore verses cut from the chant by dishonest and corrupt chantry leaders, etc.

That's not likely. The Divine is elected by the Grand Clerics. Chances are, we'll have something similar to "A Paragon of Their Kind" when it comes to choosing another Divine. Chances are, if such is the case, we'll likely choose between a popular Divine who'll put the hammer down on heathens and mages, but will probably get things back together quickly, or a Divine who stands for what is right, from a Western Civilization viewpoint, but may be like Harrowmont in how effective she is.

That's an interesting possibility.

And one that would fit the game's atmosphere.

[Rinshikai10]

I got to ask though, is Justinia Harrowmont the traditionalist, or Bhelen in this possible situation?

[Vit246]

According to Asunder, which I have never read nor plan to, Justinia is a Bhelen, wants to improve the Circle.

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I got to ask though, is Justinia Harrowmont the traditionalist, or Bhelen in this possible situation?

I have no idea!

On the one hand, she is not popular at all by the Grand Clerics, and her ideas have driven the Seekers and the Templars away from the Chantry because she isn't hard enough on mages for them...to the point that Lambert was contemplating having her assassinated and replaced by someone more agreeable.

On the other hand...she's got Cassandra and Leliana.

[Rinshikai10]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I got to ask though, is Justinia Harrowmont the traditionalist, or Bhelen in this possible situation?

I have no idea!

On the one hand, she is not popular at all by the Grand Clerics, and her ideas have driven the Seekers and the Templars away from the Chantry because she isn't hard enough on mages for them...to the point that Lambert was contemplating having her assassinated and replaced by someone more agreeable.

On the other hand...she's got Cassandra and Leliana.

From what I have seen in the DAI demos, there is a chance that Cassandra has left the Chantry all together.

[dragonflight288]

MasterScribe wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I got to ask though, is Justinia Harrowmont the traditionalist, or Bhelen in this possible situation?

I have no idea!

On the one hand, she is not popular at all by the Grand Clerics, and her ideas have driven the Seekers and the Templars away from the Chantry because she isn't hard enough on mages for them...to the point that Lambert was contemplating having her assassinated and replaced by someone more agreeable.

On the other hand...she's got Cassandra and Leliana.

Cassandra and Leliana are both moderates.

Cass seeks truth and justice, as opposed to a particular dogma. And Leliana doesn't have a negative opinion of mages, so she probably wants a mutually beneficial peace.

These seem like Harrowmont-like ideals to me.

Dawn of the Seeker....Cassandra is totally epic.

Leliana....she's a bard. 'nuff said.

[Rinshikai10]

I never fully understood why fans believe having Cassandra and Leliana is a good thing.

With Leliana, the story goes that she traveled with the HOF even if she didn't. Which would mean that if she tried to hide in plain site, she risks someone knowing who she is. Limiting how she can act as a spy for Justinia.

With Cassandra I get a very heavy-handed feeling from her. Which could push people away, even if shes trying to gain the as allies. More then once her brash acting has got her in trouble. (In both DA2 and DotS).

[Angrywolves]

Suspect we'll see a more moderate softer and kinder Cassandra in DAI.
Stil believe in the end Inquisitor will be able to force the issue and have control of the selection process for the Divine.
Since DAI is big on consequences , I excited there will be consequences there as well.

[Angrywolves]

expect

[LobselVith8]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I never fully understood why fans believe having Cassandra and Leliana is a good thing.

With Leliana, the story goes that she traveled with the HOF even if she didn't. Which would mean that if she tried to hide in plain site, she risks someone knowing who she is. Limiting how she can act as a spy for Justinia.

I don't think she travelled with the Hero in all cases; she simply survives, even in the scenario where she's killed by the original protagonist. Her survival at Lothering is mentioned if she wasn't recruited by The Warden.

Rinshikai10 wrote...

With Cassandra I get a very heavy-handed feeling from her. Which could push people away, even if shes trying to gain the as allies. More then once her brash acting has got her in trouble. (In both DA2 and DotS). 

You think she'll be a liability? I'm not sure how Cassandra will be in Inquisition. I have to wonder why Cassandra is following the Inquisitor (since the protagonist won't be forced to work for the Chantry or the templars), unless she severed ties with the Divine. It's a little difficult to imagine an Inquositor with a negative view of the Chantry accepting an active agent of the Divine.

[Rinshikai10]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I never fully understood why fans believe having Cassandra and Leliana is a good thing.

With Leliana, the story goes that she traveled with the HOF even if she didn't. Which would mean that if she tried to hide in plain site, she risks someone knowing who she is. Limiting how she can act as a spy for Justinia.

I don't think she travelled with the Hero in all cases; she simply survives, even in the scenario where she's killed by the original protagonist. Her survival at Lothering is mentioned if she wasn't recruited by The Warden.

I'm trying to remember if in all scenario's (other then her being killed) she mentions knowing THOF. (its been a long time since I played DA2)

Rinshikai10 wrote...

With Cassandra I get a very heavy-handed feeling from her. Which could push people away, even if shes trying to gain the as allies. More then once her brash acting has got her in trouble. (In both DA2 and DotS). 

You think she'll be a liability? I'm not sure how Cassandra will be in Inquisition. I have to wonder why Cassandra is following the Inquisitor (since the protagonist won't be forced to work for the Chantry or the templars), unless she severed ties with the Divine. It's a little difficult to imagine an Inquositor with a negative view of the Chantry accepting an active agent of the Divine.

My guess is Cassandra is traveling with the Inquisitor for her own reasons.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 01 octobre 2013 - 03:17 .

[Angrywolves]

Cassandra put her hand on Varric's shoulder at the massacre scene.
A kinder softer Cassandra.

[Reaverwind]

Vit246 wrote...

According to Asunder, which I have never read nor plan to, Justinia is a Bhelen, wants to improve the Circle.

She's no Bhelen. Bhelen would have set up the Lord Seeker for a fall.

[dragonflight288]

Reaverwind wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

According to Asunder, which I have never read nor plan to, Justinia is a Bhelen, wants to improve the Circle.

She's no Bhelen. Bhelen would have set up the Lord Seeker for a fall.

Or simply ordered his execution.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

According to Asunder, which I have never read nor plan to, Justinia is a Bhelen, wants to improve the Circle.

She's no Bhelen. Bhelen would have set up the Lord Seeker for a fall.

Or simply ordered his execution.

Well lambert was better leader than her and he have templars and seekers on his side , divine is painfully navie so she is rather poor chessmaster adding to that how she screwd up in asunder and in kirkwall.

[Rinshikai10]

Would this comparison be the right idea?

Justinia has Bhelen's idealism, but Harrowmont's leadership skills

Lambert has Harrowmont's ideals, but Behlens leadership skills.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 01 octobre 2013 - 01:02 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Would this comparison be the right idea?

Justinia has Bhelen's idealism, but Harrowmont's leadership skills

Lambert has Harrowmont's ideals, but Behlens leadership skills.

it will end badly for that who will support divine
but it is weird that someone who is associated as master of the game is so incompetent.

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Would this comparison be the right idea?

Justinia has Bhelen's idealism, but Harrowmont's leadership skills

Lambert has Harrowmont's ideals, but Behlens leadership skills.

it will end badly for that who will support divine
but it is weird that someone who is associated as master of the game is so incompetent.

I never believed that Justine was master of the Game. Actually, the one who is supposed to be the true master of it is Celene. And she's got her own problems with her civil war going on.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Would this comparison be the right idea?

Justinia has Bhelen's idealism, but Harrowmont's leadership skills

Lambert has Harrowmont's ideals, but Behlens leadership skills.

it will end badly for that who will support divine
but it is weird that someone who is associated as master of the game is so incompetent.

I never believed that Justine was master of the Game. Actually, the one who is supposed to be the true master of it is Celene. And she's got her own problems with her civil war going on.

but in asunder that was mentioned but i may be wrong.

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Would this comparison be the right idea?

Justinia has Bhelen's idealism, but Harrowmont's leadership skills

Lambert has Harrowmont's ideals, but Behlens leadership skills.

it will end badly for that who will support divine
but it is weird that someone who is associated as master of the game is so incompetent.

I never believed that Justine was master of the Game. Actually, the one who is supposed to be the true master of it is Celene. And she's got her own problems with her civil war going on.

but in asunder that was mentioned but i may be wrong.

Whether it does or does not say it, it most certainly is not the impression I got.

[Rinshikai10]

Isn't the new book going to focus in the Civil war from Celenes POV? I wonder if the Divine will have any role?

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Isn't the new book going to focus in the Civil war from Celenes POV? I wonder if the Divine will have any role?

Undoubtedly. The Chantry has always involved itself in politics whenver Orlais is concerned, and always on the side of Orlais.

[Rinshikai10]

With the Civil War I can see that costing them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some borders change before DAI is done. With Orlais and the Chantry/Justinia having only a fraction of the power/influence they use to have outside their borders.

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

With the Civil War I can see that costing them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some borders change before DAI is done. With Orlais and the Chantry/Justinia having only a fraction of the power/influence they use to have outside their borders.

And I would call it a good thing. I don't think it's a good idea for any religion to get politically involved with any country.