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[azarhal]

wcholcombe wrote...

By the way, I haven't seen Cassandra refered to as Ser (i.e. a knight) a single time in all the DA material, I don't think she has been knighted (which is a prerequisite for being a full-fledged templar might I add).

Well, that could just be a title used for formal occassions.  As Cassandra is rarely in a military or formal setting it might just not come up.  Or it may be that the title of her office trumps the "Ser".  Much as you would say "Knight Commander Meredith" not "Ser Knight commander Meredith"

I don't believe the lord seeker was ever called "Ser" either in assunder.

She's just a new recruit into the seeker ranks in DotS and she shows up twice in formal settings in the anime: meeting up with the Grand Cleric and Divine (the High Seeker just present her as Cassandra)  and receiving her new honors at the end (Divine present her just as Cassandra Pentaghast).

[Angrywolves]

Cameron Lee also says DAI is about freedom .
Not just choices and consequences .
I disagree with those who say we won't be able to pick the Divine.
I think by game's end the Inquisitor will be able to do a lot.
Stabilizing the situation in Thedas is important and that must include the chantry, imo.

[Fardreamer]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

I was referring to a Divine like Beatrix not Beatrix herself. At this point I don't think we are going to have a say in Chantry affairs. We are not connected to the Chantry systems, plus we are likely to have more pressing matters then to select a new Divine.

From what I can remember from Asunder, most Divines are figure heads rather then practical leaders. If you are given the power to choose, whats to stop the people from seeing this a ploy by the Inquisitor? The games about consequences for are actions, and this IMHO can go so wrong for the player.

You mean like choosing a King?  Because we did that already.  I've never had the impression that the Divine is a figure head either.  In Asunder they described her as one of the most powerful women in Thedas. 

[Fardreamer]

How old is Justina V? I'm a little bored of having the henchmen as our companions. I would be cool if we actually had a major player with us like the Divine of the Chantry.

[Rinshikai10]

@Fardreamer

No one knows how old Justinia is, but if I had to guess I would say her age is around Wynnes. (possibly mid-late 50's, pure speculation)

No I don't mean like choosing a king. I say this because unlike the situation in Ferelden, choosing a Divine would affect more then just one nation. From what I can remember the Dragon Age Franchise is meant to be more then just three games. Making it hard to make dramatically different world changing transfers. (Example some players want to remove the Chantry from power, while others want to restore the status quo.)

Justinia is one of two Divines that we have seen so far. In Asunder Beatrix is seen as a senile old woman, who likely can't make decisions on her own without the help of Senior Chantry members.

Justinia is a younger and more idealistic Divine that has a different view of the Chantry status quo. Which makes her hard to control then Beatrix, and not greatly liked her rivals in the senior levels of the Chantry.

The only person I remember that says shes one of the most powerful woman in Thedas is Knight Captain Evangeline de Brassard (making that her opinion rather then a fact). When she is talking about Justinia and Lambert arguing of the Collage of Magi meeting. Just as Wynne says most Divines are more figure heads when she is talking to Rhys. (Wynne example is not word for word. Correct em if I am wrong.)

When Inquisition does come out, I doubt that we will have a major player like the Divine in our group. Because from the information released over the last few months, it appears that we will be seen as an upstart group.

This is all just my opinion from what I have seen so far.

[Angrywolves]

Thedas' survival is in the Inquisitor's hands.
At some point the chantry will realize it, I hope.

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

Thedas' survival is in the Inquisitor's hands.
At some point the chantry will realize it, I hope.

At least one faction may or may not, if the Red Templars are anything to go by.

Heck, for a pro-elf or pro-mage, maybe even pro-qun Inquisitor's, the Inquisitor would be seen by the Chantry as destroyers of the world, while the Inquisitor may seem him/herself as the only person willing and able to save it from itself.

When it comes to saving the world, extremists from every faction will seek to save their ideal, and will fight tooth and nail to see their ideas survive, if not rise to the top of the hierarchy. If their ideal, say the Chant of Light's interpretation of magic goes against both Orlais' and Tevinter's differing interpretations, they both would resist the Inquisitor's enforcement of a new interpretation.

[Angrywolves]

The Inquisitor will have to kill the red templars.
The red lirium makes them insane.
The Inquisitor may have to kill Lambert, and others. Possibly even Leliana.
I hope to be able to persuade many in the chantry leadership to come over to our side but it seems obvious to me there are some people in the chantry, in some countries among the leadership who will oppose the Inquisitor's efforts and cannot be persuaded.
Those will have to be killed, exiled , or imprisoned and we hope the adverse consequences will not be too severe.
shrugs.

[Rinshikai10]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Thedas' survival is in the Inquisitor's hands.
At some point the chantry will realize it, I hope.

At least one faction may or may not, if the Red Templars are anything to go by.

Heck, for a pro-elf or pro-mage, maybe even pro-qun Inquisitor's, the Inquisitor would be seen by the Chantry as destroyers of the world, while the Inquisitor may seem him/herself as the only person willing and able to save it from itself.

When it comes to saving the world, extremists from every faction will seek to save their ideal, and will fight tooth and nail to see their ideas survive, if not rise to the top of the hierarchy. If their ideal, say the Chant of Light's interpretation of magic goes against both Orlais' and Tevinter's differing interpretations, they both would resist the Inquisitor's enforcement of a new interpretation.

Good point, if Justinia shows up, I wonder if she will see a none Chantry following Inquisitor as an ally or enemy.

[Rinshikai10]

Its been a slow week.

Has there been any new info other then the Dragon age Heroes game?

[Rinshikai10]

Angrywolves wrote...

Thedas' survival is in the Inquisitor's hands.
At some point the chantry will realize it, I hope.

I have my doubts that many of the Senior Chantry leaders will change their minds even with all that has happened. Like Lambert, Fiona, and Wynne I would bet that most Grand Clerics believe that their view is the correct one, and all others are wrong.

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Thedas' survival is in the Inquisitor's hands.
At some point the chantry will realize it, I hope.

I have my doubts that many of the Senior Chantry leaders will change their minds even with all that has happened. Like Lambert, Fiona, and Wynne I would bet that most Grand Clerics believe that their view is the correct one, and all others are wrong.

All leaders feel that way.

[Rinshikai10]

Sadly true, given RL examples and from the DA lore.

Its sad that every time I look at characters like Flemeth, and Morrigan, I see those that understand with change comes sacrifice. (both of others and yourself). While characters Justinia and Wynne cling to their ways so strongly that they forget that they to must also preform personal sacrifices to change. Even when will go against their carefully held beliefs and ideals.

But that's just my opinion.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Sadly true, given RL examples and from the DA lore.

Its sad that every time I look at characters like Flemeth, and Morrigan, I see those that understand with change comes sacrifice. (both of others and yourself). While characters Justinia and Wynne cling to their ways so strongly that they forget that they to must also preform personal sacrifices to change. Even when will go against their carefully held beliefs and ideals.

But that's just my opinion.

Well flemeth is crazy selfish old hag and morrigan well... http://www.escapistm...pproval-Ratings

[MrMrPendragon]

I find it a bit amusing, in a non-condescending way, when people say

"I wonder how ___ is going to play out in DA:I"

because it probably won't play a role in DA:I , most likely the parts of the lore we find so interesting won't be explored in the next game.

[Rinshikai10]

@ArcherTactlenecks

Any specific examples? I'm not sure what point your trying to make. 

@TheKomandorShepard

I never got the vibe the Flemeth is selfish. Controlling/manipulative sure,but I don't know if she is selfish. (don't have enough info to make a guess)

This link you provide seems more like an opinion piece more then anything.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 02 novembre 2013 - 10:26 .

[Angrywolves]

That link is just someone's opinion . Not gospel.
So was Leliana sent by the Divine in DAO to infiltrate the warden's party. Did the Divine know about Cailen's plans and more importantly did she know about Loghain's betrayal before Ostagar ?
If true, how will that affect DAI, or will it?

[Rinshikai10]

Just to get clarification Angrywolves, are you are referring to Dorothea before she became Divine, when you talk about Cailen and Ostagar?

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

That link is just someone's opinion . Not gospel.
So was Leliana sent by the Divine in DAO to infiltrate the warden's party. Did the Divine know about Cailen's plans and more importantly did she know about Loghain's betrayal before Ostagar ?
If true, how will that affect DAI, or will it?

I doubt Lelina was sent to infiltrate the Warden's party. For one thing, Loghain had shut down the borders so no one was coming or going into or back from Orlais. Another thing, everyone thought the Grey Wardens died, and if there were any survivors, Loghain had placed a bounty on them. But those details were muddled even in Ferelden, if you listen to the gossipers, so I don't see how the Divine would know about the Warden, and it wouldn't it be Divine Beatrix at this point?

Nah, chances are Leliana saw her chance to get close to the Warden and took it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...
@TheKomandorShepard

I never got the vibe the Flemeth is selfish. Controlling/manipulative sure,but I don't know if she is selfish. (don't have enough info to make a guess)

This link you provide seems more like an opinion piece more then anything.

using everyone and her abuses as mother to reach own goal is rather selfish don't you think as well that what she taught morrigan.

Opinion based on truth that is morrigan at least in dao.

dragonflight288 wrote...

I doubt Lelina was sent to
infiltrate the Warden's party. For one thing, Loghain had shut down the
borders so no one was coming or going into or back from Orlais. Another
thing, everyone thought the Grey Wardens died, and if there were any
survivors, Loghain had placed a bounty on them. But those details were
muddled even in Ferelden, if you listen to the gossipers, so I don't see
how the Divine would know about the Warden, and it wouldn't it be
Divine Beatrix at this point?

Nah, chances are Leliana saw her chance to get close to the Warden and took it.

Ok you are asking how dorothea would know but back to dawon of the seeker we see book what divine gives cassandra that same she holds in da 2 and that was 9:22 if iremember correctly then we can see shale , morrigan and other characters and companions so what some kind of prophecy or something else and we know that dorothea was close to previous divine so maybe she knew or at least had some kind of informations about warden accomplishments and she told to wait in chantry for two years.But that just my conspiracy theory because for what reason she would do that.

Another suspicious things with leliana is seeker amulet , her lies about past story when sevred no purpose ,that she ends as left hand of divine even if we don't recruit her and her resurrection.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 novembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[Angrywolves]

Agree that it seems after DAO Leliana got a quick promotion to being one of the hands of the Divine. Happened way too quickly .
If Beatrix was the Divine back then it's possible someone informed the chantry of Cailen's communications with the Empress, and Leliana was sent there to keep an eye on things.
After Ostagar it's possible she joined the warden on her own initiative , even though she's still a chantry spy.
That little look she gives in Lothering after talking to the Mother Priestess there makes me feel she had been deceptive.
shrugs.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Angrywolves wrote...

That link is just someone's opinion . Not gospel.
So was Leliana sent by the Divine in DAO to infiltrate the warden's party. Did the Divine know about Cailen's plans and more importantly did she know about Loghain's betrayal before Ostagar ?
If true, how will that affect DAI, or will it?

She's a horrible infiltrator if that's the case, seeing as she can potentially leave the party if she disagrees with your way of doing things...

And why is her becoming left hand of the Divine so suspicious? After Leliana's Song, she owes Justinia - it'd make sense she call upon her for the role.

I do believe there's more to her than she lets on, but I don't buy into this conspiracy theory people seem to like.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 novembre 2013 - 10:30 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

That link is just someone's opinion . Not gospel.
So was Leliana sent by the Divine in DAO to infiltrate the warden's party. Did the Divine know about Cailen's plans and more importantly did she know about Loghain's betrayal before Ostagar ?
If true, how will that affect DAI, or will it?

She's a horrible infiltrator if that's the case, seeing as she can potentially leave the party if she disagrees with your way of doing things...

And why is her becoming left hand of the Divine so suspicious? After Leliana's Song, she owes Justinia - it'd make sense she call upon her for the role.

I do believe there's more to her than she lets on, but I don't buy into this conspiracy theory people seem to like.

Well she leaves only if you are di*** or destroy ashes which with that she works for chantry rathers would be understandable and how she is naive about chantry and their morality.

You mean in all her 4 fates she becomes hand of divine when a she died you din't take her to your team?

She lies us without purpose claiming that there is no lies between warden and her.

She wears seeker amulet and bam then she is seeker at least wear their armor.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Whew, this was difficult to decipher.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well she leaves only if you are di*** or destroy ashes which with that she works for chantry rathers would be understandable and how she is naive about chantry and their morality.

Generally, the point of an infiltrator is to spy, not to tell the person they're infiltrating that they're a bad person and run off.

You mean in all her 4 fates she becomes hand of divine when a she died you din't take her to your team?

What does that have to do with her owing Justinia and being called upon to be her agent?

I have no idea what her survival if you killed her means either, but I doubt it had anything to do with Justinia's secret Lazarus project that she'd only have access to if she was a spai all along. If anything, it has to do with them being too lazy to write her into anything else. 

She wears seeker amulet and bam then she is seeker at least wear their armor. 

Gaider even said she isn't a Seeker. 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 novembre 2013 - 11:40 .

[Wulfram]

It doesn't make sense for Leliana to have been hanging out in a backwater chantry for a couple of years just in case some warden might come along, so that she can act like a crazy person and thus get recruited.