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dragonflight288 wrote...

I expect to see Morrigan in court. She seems smart enough to blend in if it's a matter of survival. That or she'll be confident enough not to care about people knowing she's a mage.

Perhaps she is Celene's court mage. I bet money that we will catch a glimpse of her in Masked Empire, whether it was explicit or not.

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eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I expect to see Morrigan in court. She seems smart enough to blend in if it's a matter of survival. That or she'll be confident enough not to care about people knowing she's a mage.

Perhaps she is Celene's court mage. I bet money that we will catch a glimpse of her in Masked Empire, whether it was explicit or not.


I know the devs confirmed she's very important to the plot, although she never joins the party.

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Wulfram wrote...

Vivienne seems to be known at the Orlesian court


Could you provide a source? I remember that she was in line to be First Enchanter, but I very heard about her being known in the Orlesian Court.

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Rinshikai10 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Vivienne seems to be known at the Orlesian court


Could you provide a source? I remember that she was in line to be First Enchanter, but I very heard about her being known in the Orlesian Court.


According to Mary Kirby, the Orlesian Imperial Court refers to Vivienne
as "Madame de Fer" or, loosely translated, "The Iron Lady."
-DA Wiki

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Thanks Eluvianix,

I like your and Dragonflight288's idea that Morrigan may be in the Orlesion court working with or through the Empress. If it does happen maybe we will get to see Leliana trying to talk with Morrigan about the Warden. (If she traveled with them in DAO) The banter would be amusing IMO.

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Rinshikai10 wrote...

Thanks Eluvianix,

I like your and Dragonflight288's idea that Morrigan may be in the Orlesion court working with or through the Empress. If it does happen maybe we will get to see Leliana trying to talk with Morrigan about the Warden. (If she traveled with them in DAO) The banter would be amusing IMO.


No problem. I just want to see Leliana talking to Morrigan about the dress. That dialogue would kill me.

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dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I expect to see Morrigan in court. She seems smart enough to blend in if it's a matter of survival. That or she'll be confident enough not to care about people knowing she's a mage.

Perhaps she is Celene's court mage. I bet money that we will catch a glimpse of her in Masked Empire, whether it was explicit or not.


I know the devs confirmed she's very important to the plot, although she never joins the party.


I hope theirs going to be a mod where that can change. I would LOVE for her to be part of my party. To the hell with what the Devs have in mind. I want my Morrigan back :D

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:38 .


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I have my doubts about Mods at this point. (we will see how they plan to go at that) I do want to see that Dress banter should the two meet again. It would be interesting in my view to see Leliana try to convince Morrigan that Justinia is not her enemy.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 04 décembre 2013 - 05:43 .


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I expect Morrigan is manipulating her way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means anything.

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Whatever conspiracy is brewing up in Orlais, I wish to be a part of it in DAI.

I want to be a player of the Game. All the scheming and backstabbing is the kind of suspense Dragon Age needs.

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 05 décembre 2013 - 01:37 .


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ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

Whatever conspiracy is brewing up in Orlais, I wish to be a part of it in DAI.

I want to be a player of the Game. All the scheming and backstabbing is the kind of suspense Dragon Age needs.


You would need to navigate through the Orlesian civil war first.

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I bet even during this civil war, we are going to see game continue. Its too interconnected to the Orlesian life style to simply stop.

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Rinshikai10 wrote...

I bet even during this civil war, we are going to see game continue. Its too interconnected to the Orlesian life style to simply stop.


I'm sure, but the game is completely meaningless to everyone but its players (Leliana) and the players now have to openly choose a side in the Civil War. Although they may still play amongst themselves no matter which side they support.

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In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.

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Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Morrigan is manipulating her
way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this
softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means
anything.


I can guess it is something like shopping judging by her dress thats only humane side i can see in her. 



Rinshikai10 wrote...

In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.


Chantry take part in the game as well so well they are players as well as in asunder this is pointed chantry take part in the game but on different rules.You can leave game even act against...

 

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Morrigan is manipulating her
way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this
softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means
anything.


I can guess it is something like shopping judging by her dress thats only humane side i can see in her. 



Rinshikai10 wrote...

In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.


Chantry take part in the game as well so well they are players as well as in asunder this is pointed chantry take part in the game but on different rules.You can leave game even act against...

 


Can you elaborate?

Your saying that even though the Chantry does play the game, they go by a different set of rules?

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Rinshikai10 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Morrigan is manipulating her
way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this
softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means
anything.


I can guess it is something like shopping judging by her dress thats only humane side i can see in her. 



Rinshikai10 wrote...

In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.


Chantry take part in the game as well so well they are players as well as in asunder this is pointed chantry take part in the game but on different rules.You can leave game even act against...

 


Can you elaborate?

Your saying that even though the Chantry does play the game, they go by a different set of rules?


Well chantry is treated differently in game than nobles but still play game  

quote
"Many priests engaged in the Game
even so, and some even claimed the Divine was one of its best
players. The priesthood simply played by different rules."

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Morrigan is manipulating her
way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this
softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means
anything.


I can guess it is something like shopping judging by her dress thats only humane side i can see in her. 



Rinshikai10 wrote...

In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.


Chantry take part in the game as well so well they are players as well as in asunder this is pointed chantry take part in the game but on different rules.You can leave game even act against...

 


Can you elaborate?

Your saying that even though the Chantry does play the game, they go by a different set of rules?


Well chantry is treated differently in game than nobles but still play game  

quote
"Many priests engaged in the Game
even so, and some even claimed the Divine was one of its best
players. The priesthood simply played by different rules."


What's that source?

And if it's true, that alone shows the higher echelons of power in the Chantry are corrupt, and are also likely guilty of assassinations, theft and so on, or "bringing harm to others without provocation" and "accursed in the Maker's sight."

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dragonflight288 wrote...

What's that source?

And if it's true, that alone shows the higher echelons of power in the Chantry are corrupt, and are also likely guilty of assassinations, theft and so on, or "bringing harm to others without provocation" and "accursed in the Maker's sight."

"The priesthood wasn’t above the Game, precisely, but an exception to it, and any nobleman was expected to maintain an unimpeachable veneer of respect when speaking to a priest regardless of what they wore . Many priests engaged in the Game even so, and some even claimed the Divine was one of its best players. The priesthood simply played by different rules." ---- Said by Evangeline, second chapter of Asunder.

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eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

What's that source?

And if it's true, that alone shows the higher echelons of power in the Chantry are corrupt, and are also likely guilty of assassinations, theft and so on, or "bringing harm to others without provocation" and "accursed in the Maker's sight."

"The priesthood wasn’t above the Game, precisely, but an exception to it, and any nobleman was expected to maintain an unimpeachable veneer of respect when speaking to a priest regardless of what they wore . Many priests engaged in the Game even so, and some even claimed the Divine was one of its best players. The priesthood simply played by different rules." ---- Said by Evangeline, second chapter of Asunder.


Ah. right. I need to read Asunder again.

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dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I expect Morrigan is manipulating her
way up the ladder in orlesian society. The question is whether this
softer more human morrigan the developers have mentioned really means
anything.


I can guess it is something like shopping judging by her dress thats only humane side i can see in her. 



Rinshikai10 wrote...

In all honesty I don't think the Game is meaningless to anyone but its players. Looking at both Leliana and Justinia who have both left the game to join the Chantry, still seem to be playing. The only difference now is instead of Nobles, its the Clergy, Templars/Seekers, and Mages they manipulate.


Chantry take part in the game as well so well they are players as well as in asunder this is pointed chantry take part in the game but on different rules.You can leave game even act against...

 


Can you elaborate?

Your saying that even though the Chantry does play the game, they go by a different set of rules?


Well chantry is treated differently in game than nobles but still play game  

quote
"Many priests engaged in the Game
even so, and some even claimed the Divine was one of its best
players. The priesthood simply played by different rules."


What's that source?

And if it's true, that alone shows the higher echelons of power in the Chantry are corrupt, and are also likely guilty of assassinations, theft and so on, or "bringing harm to others without provocation" and "accursed in the Maker's sight."


Asunder

And wel that chantry is corrupted isn't something new with their power hunger. :whistle:

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If you want to change the world for the better, you need to get into politics. If you get into politics, you need to play the Game.

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Wulfram wrote...

If you want to change the world for the better, you need to get into politics. If you get into politics, you need to play the Game.


Indeed, in Orlais, that's where most of all change occurs. Although, depending how the Orlesian Civil War shakes out, that could all come crumbling down soon.

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Wulfram wrote...

If you want to change the world for the better, you need to get into politics. If you get into politics, you need to play the Game.


Qunari can prove you that you are wrong take down orlais or conquer it and you can change. :devil:


eluvianix wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If you
want to change the world for the better, you need to get into politics.
If you get into politics, you need to play the Game.


Indeed,
in Orlais, that's where most of all change occurs. Although, depending
how the Orlesian Civil War shakes out, that could all come crumbling
down soon.


Yeah corrupted woman vs probably corrupted man that will change a lot.;)

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 décembre 2013 - 05:01 .


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War is simply the Game with the admixture of other means