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[TheKomandorShepard]

Wulfram wrote...

War is simply the Game with the admixture of other means

Eee i don't think you know what we are talking about we can go that endlessly world is the game reality is the game and universe is the game. 

[Angrywolves]

I assume the game means Extortion, torture, kidnapping, murder, and whatever it takes. Right guys ?
Yes the chantry is corrupt. I know some of you don't agree with my belief that the Inquisitor will be able to overthrow, kick out the chantry leadership and replace the Divine. But it's necessary and the developers should know it.
So what's happening with the Black chantry in Tevinter and their male Divine who , i presume is a Mage. Supposedly they ignore each other but I wonder if that's entirely true.

[Rinshikai10]

@Angrywolves

It would be interesting to see how Justinia and the Black Divine interact with one another. I would imagine their views a very different.

With how things are going, Justinia may have to resort to asking the Tevinter Imperium for help.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 09 décembre 2013 - 03:04 .

[Karach_Blade]

I want the Black Divine to have exterminatus privileges

[Rinshikai10]

I don't believe that the Black Divine could preform such a purge. Tevinter already has trouble maintaining its strained resources, it would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

At this point I believe that either Divine has the privilege of wasting what few resources they have left.

[Lord Raijin]

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

Modifié par eluvianix, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:08 .

[dragonflight288]

How about the Lord High Seeker and the Black Divine fight Mortal Kombat style.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

How about the Lord High Seeker and the Black Divine fight Mortal Kombat style.

Blood magic. Probably very high level blood magic. So I still pick the Black Divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

If divine isn't bard or trained rogue she have shady past so she might won.

And about Lambert vs Black divine i guess you may have right (possible) they had conflict because black divine was in past lambert friend who betrayed him.But still blood mages and demons in kirkwall still didn't managed defeat templars. 

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

Not if Justinia has a bow with R.o.T brands as arrows.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:49 .

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

Not if Justinia has a bow with R.o.T brands as arrows.

Well....crap. Why isn't this a thing? Right of Tranquility just requires a brand of lyrium, so I guess you could create arrows with the brand on them.

Modifié par eluvianix, 09 décembre 2013 - 02:59 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

How about the Lord High Seeker and the Black Divine fight Mortal Kombat style.

Blood magic. Probably very high level blood magic. So I still pick the Black Divine.

What if Lambert infused the brands that the templars/seekers uses to tranquilizes mages thus turning the brands into an enchanted flaming sword? You know like what Meredith did with the red lyrium that she bought from Varrics brother.


Oh and he has the Litany of Adralla too on top it off. He seems to have knowledge and training to deal with blood mages.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

How about the Lord High Seeker and the Black Divine fight Mortal Kombat style.

Blood magic. Probably very high level blood magic. So I still pick the Black Divine.

What if Lambert infused the brands that the templars/seekers uses to tranquilizes mages thus turning the brands into an enchanted flaming sword? You know like what Meredith did with the red lyrium that she bought from Varrics brother.


Oh and he has the Litany of Adralla too on top it off. He seems to have knowledge and training to deal with blood mages.

With the sword, you would still have to hit him, and in that time, he can boil your blood with a word.
As for the Litany, it only disrupts mind control, not blood magic spells that boil your blood, summon demons, or a whole bunch of other nasty things.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...


Well....crap. Why isn't this a thing? Right of Tranquility just requires a brand of lyrium, so I guess you could create arrows with the brand on them.

Diabolical isn't it?

Just imagine the mass reproduction of lyrium branded arrows with the sunburst logo on the tip.


Templars/seekers would be fighting dirty.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 09 décembre 2013 - 03:10 .

[Nharia1]

I feel silly for asking this, but who the heck is this 'black divine' character you people are talking about?

and how does s/he relate to divine justinia?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nharia1 wrote...

I feel silly for asking this, but who the heck is this 'black divine' character you people are talking about?

and how does s/he relate to divine justinia?

Black divine is counterpart for normal divine who "rules" normal chantry when black divine rules tevinter chantry and both are separated.

[Rinshikai10]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...


Well....crap. Why isn't this a thing? Right of Tranquility just requires a brand of lyrium, so I guess you could create arrows with the brand on them.

Diabolical isn't it?

Just imagine the mass reproduction of lyrium branded arrows with the sunburst logo on the tip.


Templars/seekers would be fighting dirty.

I have a very hard time seeing Templars trying to shot arrows with a large burning brand at the end.

Are there even Templar Archers? I thought there was some in DA2 but I'm not sure.

[Rinshikai10]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

Not if Justinia has a bow with R.o.T brands as arrows.

Well....crap. Why isn't this a thing? Right of Tranquility just requires a brand of lyrium, so I guess you could create arrows with the brand on them.

I bet that the amount of Lyrium required to make a Mage tranquil is more then what a arrowhead can hold.

I'm betting that by the time Inquisition happens, Lyrium with be controlled by who ever has the most coin. I doubt that this will be the Chantry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I want the black divine and Justinia to fight.... Mortal Kombat style.

The Black would win because he is a Mage. 

Not if Justinia has a bow with R.o.T brands as arrows.

Well....crap. Why isn't this a thing? Right of Tranquility just requires a brand of lyrium, so I guess you could create arrows with the brand on them.

I bet that the amount of Lyrium required to make a Mage tranquil is more then what a arrowhead can hold.

I'm betting that by the time Inquisition happens, Lyrium with be controlled by who ever has the most coin. I doubt that this will be the Chantry.

only factions that need lyrium are templars , chantry ,tevinter and circle mages well lets explain

templars they are popular and known as heroes and holly warriors of religion that absolutely dominate thedas you can see a lot sponsors that give them money and even non-religious rich guys should known that stoping mages and end of the world when they start turning into abomnations is good business
"There is no profit to be made in the world's destruction. It is bad for business." 

Chantry same as templars but they are already rich their position significantly weakened they lost army and are threatened politically but they have money but now they don't how where use it. 

Tevinter well they have a lot money i can tell but i doubt that manage buy all lyrium especially that they are hated almost in every place in thedas so well...

mages well what i can tell no money , terrible reputation and no future they are villains for rest of thedas so they won't get any support.

So tev and templars are only in game...

[Rinshikai10]

Before DA2 I would agree with you about the Templars. However, like Loghain, the Orders decisions have now come back to haunt them. Cullen informs us as early as act one that the Templars have be losing support for a number of years. The Red Templar faction seen in the Inquisition gameplay will also play a part in affecting the orders influence.

With the Chantry, my personal view is that now that they don't have the bulk of the Templars supporting them. Justinia and the clergy will not be able to use heavy handed tactics to get what they want. Which means IMO an Exalted March is out of the question. While they may have coin from various sources, such as the nobles of Thedas. If war spreads, most of the wealth will go to individual nations trying to strengthen themselves.

I strongly disagree with you on the whole Mages will only be seen a villains. Orlais appears use magical items in large scale. Glow lamps being the most obvious example, without Mages can they create enchanted arms and armor, runes or more glow lambs? Plus we all know that Mages are instrumental is winner any war.

This is just my theory, but I don't believe that Fiona has cut ties with the Wardens. From what I have seen in both DAO and DA2. The Wardens have been gaining power, while others are losing it. Plus they are the only group that I know that has the respect of the Dwarves who in the end control who they sell Lyrium to.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Before DA2 I would agree with you about the Templars. However, like Loghain, the Orders decisions have now come back to haunt them. Cullen informs us as early as act one that the Templars have be losing support for a number of years. The Red Templar faction seen in the Inquisition gameplay will also play a part in affecting the orders influence.

With the Chantry, my personal view is that now that they don't have the bulk of the Templars supporting them. Justinia and the clergy will not be able to use heavy handed tactics to get what they want. Which means IMO an Exalted March is out of the question. While they may have coin from various sources, such as the nobles of Thedas. If war spreads, most of the wealth will go to individual nations trying to strengthen themselves.

I strongly disagree with you on the whole Mages will only be seen a villains. Orlais appears use magical items in large scale. Glow lamps being the most obvious example, without Mages can they create enchanted arms and armor, runes or more glow lambs? Plus we all know that Mages are instrumental is winner any war.

This is just my theory, but I don't believe that Fiona has cut ties with the Wardens. From what I have seen in both DAO and DA2. The Wardens have been gaining power, while others are losing it. Plus they are the only group that I know that has the respect of the Dwarves who in the end control who they sell Lyrium to.

Loghain was bad guy because he lost if he ended as winner and killed grey warden he would end as hero that same for warden if we played as villain protagonist he ended as hero... Meredith was hated becuase she was insane and power hungry and tried control city and even then she had at least frew supporters claiming that she is hero like guy in tavern.I can bet that red templars will quickly be separated from normal templars as pro-templars did few second after.

Yeah as i said chantry is weakened but still have money but they don't where use lyrium for now unless they will try use drugs to control junkies method what may give them templar back unless they will get lyrium on their own. 

Mages can't enchant tranquil can and well they are hated already peoples tend blame mages even for bad year guess what will happen in war between templar and mages first have good reputation second terrible guess who will be blamed and we have veil that will go on mages as well. And well we have still deal with army of abomnation that mages will turn without control they seem love turn into abomnation when they have smallest excuse good luck with not seeing them as villains when they already seen as this... 

Warden don't hold much power they don't even control entirely Anderfels and have small power in ferelden thanks to the warden thats all and well they have darkapawn who can control them even without thinking about it they are screwd... I don't even mention that money are above respect in behlen case this is true as hell in harrowmont well he is stupid and closed himself in cage with other dwarves and don't care about anyone above.  

   

[Rinshikai10]

The point I was making with Loghain is up until DAO he was seen a hero for his actions. The same can be said the Templars. Then when he started to make the wrong calls it cost him the support of the people, and that is vital for victory in war.

It could be possible for the Divine to try and lure Templars back with the promise of Lyrium. However, it she can't enforce the monopoly that may not be possible.

If she doesn't control the Templars she can't enforce the Lyrium trade, if she doesn't have Lyrium she can't gain back the Templars. Its a situation where she is screwed either way.

If the Mages are grouped together due to a few bad apples (Blood mages) I'm going to bet that the same thing will happen to the Templars due to the Red faction and the zealots within their ranks.

The reason I believe that the Wardens are gaining power, is due to the quests in DA2. They reveal that Kirkwall is starting to see Fereldan as a possible rival in waking sea, one dialogue between raiders says that if they are left unchecked, the will rule waking sea in time.

[Angrywolves]

Tired of playing the game ?
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I doubt Ferelden wuill rival anything for a while unless someone can restore the land lost to the blight.
Maybe a suitable task for Artificer Dagna.lol.
I presume, once templars see the red templars going insane and turning into monsters they'll come back to the chantry, or invade abandoned parts of the dwarven kingdom looking for lyrium.I guess it's possible they could get lyrium from Kal Sharok, about which we players know nothing at present.
I suspect the mages will split up.Some will support the blood mages, even if they aren't blood mages, to protect themselves.Others will fear becoming abominations and stay away from the blood mages.
I as Inquisitor, hope to chart a middle course and reach out to sensible people in both camps.
And I still hope to either overthrow the chantry or pick a Divine that is sensible, honest, and compassionate to all people, even mages.

[Rinshikai10]

Sorry I should have said Amaranthine rather then Ferelden. I was trying to use this as a point to show the Wardens gaining power where they lost it.

While I do see the possibility of some Templars returning to the Chantry. I not sure that Templars would risk going into the Deep Roads looking for Lyrium that may not be there. Plus if they don't have anything to trade or coin to buy, what reason would dwarves have to trade with them. Adding the Dark Spawn to the equation it just seems like a suicide mission.

I agree that all factions are likely to be divided, choosing sides among themselves. Maybe will get to unite a faction that we support.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 13 décembre 2013 - 03:01 .