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[ianvillan]

eluvianix wrote...

If Justinia goes, I will crown Leliana as the next Divine!!!

That may actually be what happens, Leliana has some Divine purpose that we don't know about and she is meant to be touched by the Maker so she might be the next Divine of a new Chantry.

[Sir JK]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.Aizen one of strongest characters in bleach no one could mach him he could do what he wanted even forced loyalyty over other characters.

Thank you.

2.Not rly if leader is for example invincible in terms of power he can do what he want because no one can stop him more power he have then more freedom he can achieve for example tevinter is rather not very restrained. When weak leader is forced to follow laws and rules society because simple others will remove him if he don't (dumar).So ultimately more power you have less restrained you are (because only stronger can force you) unless you decide follow your codex or others by your own will.

Ah, I think I've failed to explain my point. A strong leader is not free to do as he pleases, but he can lead his base of power to achieve what he wants.
Power does not grant you freedom. It grants you ability. It allows you to change things, to sculpt them as you please. But it will demand your time, quite possibly all of it or even more than you're able to provide. Take two months off and you will find that the world has left you behind. It will not wait for you.

3.She have nothing to offer as i said she lost her army templars and seekers with few loyal peoples left and she don't have power over mages anymore.Peoples have own problems and well if templars win (and well rather they will) she is screwd because they will quickly remove her so any her supporter will ****** off templar army not reciving anything that support woman that lost support.She lost voice because she can stop all that mess and lost her hand to force others to stop that mess divine always was just to look pretty when templars had power and this is shown when divine start make decisions that templars don't want to.

How many thousands of priests does she still command? That will carry her words across the continent?
How many million people live by her decrees? Devoted to her and the religion she leads?
How many million gold can she summon to buy whatever she needs? For instance every single Antivan crow?

How many thousand men will the kings of Thedas provide if she asks them?

I would not count her out quite yet.

helo89 wrote...

I
would agree on  the point though she lost the templars and the seekers,
Justinia lost alot of her martial power. And that she has other
resources she can use (she's still the Divine, that title still carries alot of weight).

The
main issue is that with Orlais in the middle of a civil war, the
traditional allies that she would be able to call on will be too busy to
help, and of course there's that puppetmaster that tore the veil
ensuring that all the other leaders have their own problems.

So
yes, while she isn't completely powerless, the real question is whether
her remaining influence will be enough to protect herself?, let alone
sway all the disparate groups that need swaying.

Indeed. That is the real question. If her authority over the Chantry itself is questioned, then she's in trouble.

ianvillan wrote...

Divine Justinia should still have the
peasants and merchant classes supporting her which might make some
nobles hesitant about moving against her for turning there own people
against them.

Another course she could do is to try to get the
Elves on her side, it would be an extremely difficult task but one that
could prove invaluable to the Chantry.

Some Mages know she was
willing to work with them to improve their position, so she could
possibly get the Mages to support her for some guarantees for them.

Not
all the Templars are as blood thirsty as Lambert and the vast majority
are truly devoted to the Chant of light and don't want a war, if she
could speak to them and convince them to her side she could sway a vast
part of the Templar order to her.

This war coming is Justinias to
win or loose, she could make the Chantry a better stronger order or it
could fracture apart and be nothing but a small voice in the world.

From
what we know of Justinia (which is not much so far) I believe she is a
shrewd person who might of seen this war coming and may of prepared some
plans for when it did and if the Inquisitor helps her she may come out
stronger then before.

That is indeed possible and would be very interesting to behold. Also, the idea of the Chantry acquiring the assistance of the elves intrigues me.

[Magdalena11]

ianvillan wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously if I could I would pick the Divine.Whether we have the ability as Inquisitor to do that remains to be seen.Some players think we won't have that ability or the ability to influence the chantry at all.I disagree with them.

I think reforming the chantry is critical for the stability of Thedas.

I also think reforming the Chantry has to happen and I think your right that we will get to choose who will be Divine of the Chantry. I also don't believe that we would be able to wipe out the Chantry like some people want.

I think reformation of the chantry is a good thing.  I also thing that Thedosian human society is so firmly rooted in the chantry that it's loss would do much more harm than good.  Most people need a belief system and in Thedas, that role for humans is filled by the chantry.

Perhaps Inky will have a role in how the chantry is restructured.  I hope she does because I'm going with Justinia.  She seems like the sensible, capable leader that it needs to bring it through a troubled time.

On an intellectual level, I suppose Leliana might make a good Divine but I think she won't be an option for the following reason:  Her personality can be changed to one where she enjoys adventure.  A hardened Leliana wouldn't for one moment be content to sit in court all the time - she'd want to be in the thick of the action.

[Angrywolves]

We've had this Leliana discussion before.
Some players feel the people would never support Leliana because she had committed murder as a bard/spy. Same with the nobility in Orlais. Of course we don't know how pure Justinia was before she became Divine or how pure her predecessor(s) were.

and as we know Leliana was raped while in prison as part of being tortured over Marjolaine's lies/spying and framing Leliana.

Whether that would give people pause in supporting her remains to be seen.

We don't know if Leliana would want to be the Divine.

So we hope there will be a list of candidates as well as the option of retaining Justinia and we get a chance to choose.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 29 décembre 2013 - 08:55 .

[ianvillan]

Their might be some other Reverend Mothers in the game who see an opportunity to claim the role of Divine and they might get ask the Inquisitor to help them get followers or relics for them to claim the role of Divine.

[Angrywolves]

ianvillan wrote...

Their might be some other Reverend Mothers in the game who see an opportunity to claim the role of Divine and they might get ask the Inquisitor to help them get followers or relics for them to claim the role of Divine.

agreed.  A good observation.

Curiously the Reverend Mother in Kirkwall who was killed due to Ander's foolishness would have made a good candidate imo.:innocent:

Modifié par Angrywolves, 29 décembre 2013 - 09:07 .

[Magdalena11]

Angrywolves wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

Their might be some other Reverend Mothers in the game who see an opportunity to claim the role of Divine and they might get ask the Inquisitor to help them get followers or relics for them to claim the role of Divine.

agreed.  A good observation.

Curiously the Reverend Mother in Kirkwall who was killed due to Ander's foolishness would have made a good candidate imo.:innocent:

Elthina was a very devout woman who showed admirable restraint in dealing with Petrice.  I think she was also a good woman.  I don't think she was a leader, though.

Being a leader requires decisiveness and part of a leader's responsibility is picking a platform and convincing others to stand on it.  Except for her benevolent stance on the role of the Maker, she was content to let the situation with Meredith and Orsino, her subordinates, spiral out of control while hoping that they would see sense.  I can't agree that that is the action of a leader.  

This is my opinion only.  Your mileage may vary.

[Angrywolves]

You could say that about the Govenor or whatever he was.Haven't played the game in awhile.
He wasn't able to influence Meredith or Orsino either.
Gaider wrote the game so Hawke would fail and that means Elthinia wouldn't have been able to change anything.

Maybe in DAI as the new Divine she would have.

[dragonflight288]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

Their might be some other Reverend Mothers in the game who see an opportunity to claim the role of Divine and they might get ask the Inquisitor to help them get followers or relics for them to claim the role of Divine.

agreed.  A good observation.

Curiously the Reverend Mother in Kirkwall who was killed due to Ander's foolishness would have made a good candidate imo.:innocent:

Elthina was a very devout woman who showed admirable restraint in dealing with Petrice.  I think she was also a good woman.  I don't think she was a leader, though.

Being a leader requires decisiveness and part of a leader's responsibility is picking a platform and convincing others to stand on it.  Except for her benevolent stance on the role of the Maker, she was content to let the situation with Meredith and Orsino, her subordinates, spiral out of control while hoping that they would see sense.  I can't agree that that is the action of a leader.  

This is my opinion only.  Your mileage may vary.

If you play as an aggressive Hawke and side with Petrice, after the events of Ch. 2, all Elthina does is demote her, and Petrice tells Hawke that there are factions within the Chantry just as committed as she is to provoking a war with the Qunari heathens, and others like them who deny the Maker.

I think a demotion is barely a slap on the wrist, as I can see no way Elthina had no knowledge her seal was being used for nefarious ends.

[Angrywolves]

Like I said, Gaider didn't want Elthinia to be able to stop anything, so blaming her is pointless. It was never a real world situation where she could have done anything.

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

Like I said, Gaider didn't want Elthinia to be able to stop anything, so blaming her is pointless. It was never a real world situation where she could have done anything.

Or she was adept at appearing neutral while the real work was done by intermediaries and she got to appear the loving grandmother.

Merely a possibility, but I simply lack the capacity to think of Elthina as so blatantly incompetent that everything that happens in Kirkwall during DA2 is somehow or another, beyond her knowledge or ability to influence one way or another.

[ianvillan]

We don't know much about the Chantry organisation in Kirkwall but Petrice seemed to work close with the Templars, if Petrice was saying that the Mages were just saying what they were because they wanted to cause trouble then Elthina might not of known all the details at the very beginning of the game.

Plus Elthina was in charge when a massive refuge population came into the city so a lot of her attention might of been directed towards helping them.

She may of not been able to fully deal with the mages and Templars but she should of delt with the sisters in her Chantry who were looking for war with the Qunari.

[Master Warder Z_]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

If the Qunari do invade, I would think that many nations are screwed. From what I remember, Mages are the only known counter to the Qunari black powder and canons. Now that the Circles have declared independence they are under no obligation to help the Chantry or any nation in Thedas.

Chances are if they do help Justina fight the Qunari, should the invasion happen, then they may be forced back into the Circle system, once the fighting ends. (Just my opinion)

You likely would see the majority of bickering cease once the Qunari arrived, it occured last time they invaded after all.

It caused the imperium and mainland thedas to actually fight together against a common foe for the first since the blight  

Haven't the nations of Thedas only ever took a blight seriously when its on their individual doorsteps? Its seems that every time a Blight has happened, the Wardens have to pressure nations into working together.

While the Chantry is widespread, it appears that each nation still has a different view on how the Mages should be treated. Ferelden and Nevarra seem to be less intolerant of Mages compared to The Free Marches and Orlais.

If Justinia was going to ally with certain nations, I would think that Ferelden and Nevarra would be the best bet. However, they both have a flimsy relationship with Orlais at best.

While Justinia is the head of the Chantry, she may still be seen as an Orlesian trying to grab power.

Just my opinion.

Merry Christmas!

If i recall correctly the siege in Orlais during the third blight was broken by reinforcements from the Anderfels and Tveinter. Admittedly it did take them a while to rally but hey! at least the mage lords helped...more then can be said for the dales... 

And personally? I don't think she is in much a position to grab power considering the majority of her armed forces just declared independence of her along with the majority of the Seekers apparently.

Her martial strength is gone.

[dragonflight288]

ianvillan wrote...

We don't know much about the Chantry organisation in Kirkwall but Petrice seemed to work close with the Templars, if Petrice was saying that the Mages were just saying what they were because they wanted to cause trouble then Elthina might not of known all the details at the very beginning of the game.

Plus Elthina was in charge when a massive refuge population came into the city so a lot of her attention might of been directed towards helping them.

She may of not been able to fully deal with the mages and Templars but she should of delt with the sisters in her Chantry who were looking for war with the Qunari.

Petrice was a Revered Mother using Elthina's seal to stir up trouble with the Qunari. That's not something that can be overlooked. Where did Petrice get the seal? Was she given it or did she steal it? If her seal was stolen, why didn't she ask templars or Hawke to seek out who had it?

And why the heck does she show absolutely no surprise, or any reaction at all, when Petrice gets a Qunari arrow in the face?

I don't think Elthina is a criminal mastermind or actively malicious, but there are too many small things that make me question her sincerity in the greater good and her image as the loving grandmother type who teaches the Chantry is not a father with a whip but a gentle mother.

[ianvillan]

dragonflight288 wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

We don't know much about the Chantry organisation in Kirkwall but Petrice seemed to work close with the Templars, if Petrice was saying that the Mages were just saying what they were because they wanted to cause trouble then Elthina might not of known all the details at the very beginning of the game.

Plus Elthina was in charge when a massive refuge population came into the city so a lot of her attention might of been directed towards helping them.

She may of not been able to fully deal with the mages and Templars but she should of delt with the sisters in her Chantry who were looking for war with the Qunari.

Petrice was a Revered Mother using Elthina's seal to stir up trouble with the Qunari. That's not something that can be overlooked. Where did Petrice get the seal? Was she given it or did she steal it? If her seal was stolen, why didn't she ask templars or Hawke to seek out who had it?

And why the heck does she show absolutely no surprise, or any reaction at all, when Petrice gets a Qunari arrow in the face?

I don't think Elthina is a criminal mastermind or actively malicious, but there are too many small things that make me question her sincerity in the greater good and her image as the loving grandmother type who teaches the Chantry is not a father with a whip but a gentle mother.

I agree at the best she was totally incompetent, and I do think she knew most of what was happening but for reasons we may never know did nothing to deal with them. 

[Angrywolves]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Like I said, Gaider didn't want Elthinia to be able to stop anything, so blaming her is pointless. It was never a real world situation where she could have done anything.

Or she was adept at appearing neutral while the real work was done by intermediaries and she got to appear the loving grandmother.

Merely a possibility, but I simply lack the capacity to think of Elthina as so blatantly incompetent that everything that happens in Kirkwall during DA2 is somehow or another, beyond her knowledge or ability to influence one way or another.

DA2 wasn't well written so it's easy for me to see how powerless Elthinia was and how powerless Hawke was.

[Rinshikai10]

Sir JK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.Aizen one of strongest characters in bleach no one could mach him he could do what he wanted even forced loyalyty over other characters.

Thank you.

2.Not rly if leader is for example invincible in terms of power he can do what he want because no one can stop him more power he have then more freedom he can achieve for example tevinter is rather not very restrained. When weak leader is forced to follow laws and rules society because simple others will remove him if he don't (dumar).So ultimately more power you have less restrained you are (because only stronger can force you) unless you decide follow your codex or others by your own will.

Ah, I think I've failed to explain my point. A strong leader is not free to do as he pleases, but he can lead his base of power to achieve what he wants.
Power does not grant you freedom. It grants you ability. It allows you to change things, to sculpt them as you please. But it will demand your time, quite possibly all of it or even more than you're able to provide. Take two months off and you will find that the world has left you behind. It will not wait for you.

3.She have nothing to offer as i said she lost her army templars and seekers with few loyal peoples left and she don't have power over mages anymore.Peoples have own problems and well if templars win (and well rather they will) she is screwd because they will quickly remove her so any her supporter will ****** off templar army not reciving anything that support woman that lost support.She lost voice because she can stop all that mess and lost her hand to force others to stop that mess divine always was just to look pretty when templars had power and this is shown when divine start make decisions that templars don't want to.

How many thousands of priests does she still command? That will carry her words across the continent?
How many million people live by her decrees? Devoted to her and the religion she leads?
How many million gold can she summon to buy whatever she needs? For instance every single Antivan crow?

How many thousand men will the kings of Thedas provide if she asks them?

I would not count her out quite yet.

helo89 wrote...

I
would agree on  the point though she lost the templars and the seekers,
Justinia lost alot of her martial power. And that she has other
resources she can use (she's still the Divine, that title still carries alot of weight).

The
main issue is that with Orlais in the middle of a civil war, the
traditional allies that she would be able to call on will be too busy to
help, and of course there's that puppetmaster that tore the veil
ensuring that all the other leaders have their own problems.

So
yes, while she isn't completely powerless, the real question is whether
her remaining influence will be enough to protect herself?, let alone
sway all the disparate groups that need swaying.

Indeed. That is the real question. If her authority over the Chantry itself is questioned, then she's in trouble.

ianvillan wrote...

Divine Justinia should still have the
peasants and merchant classes supporting her which might make some
nobles hesitant about moving against her for turning there own people
against them.

Another course she could do is to try to get the
Elves on her side, it would be an extremely difficult task but one that
could prove invaluable to the Chantry.

Some Mages know she was
willing to work with them to improve their position, so she could
possibly get the Mages to support her for some guarantees for them.

Not
all the Templars are as blood thirsty as Lambert and the vast majority
are truly devoted to the Chant of light and don't want a war, if she
could speak to them and convince them to her side she could sway a vast
part of the Templar order to her.

This war coming is Justinias to
win or loose, she could make the Chantry a better stronger order or it
could fracture apart and be nothing but a small voice in the world.

From
what we know of Justinia (which is not much so far) I believe she is a
shrewd person who might of seen this war coming and may of prepared some
plans for when it did and if the Inquisitor helps her she may come out
stronger then before.

That is indeed possible and would be very interesting to behold. Also, the idea of the Chantry acquiring the assistance of the elves intrigues me.

1) With all that is going on in Orlais I believe that it will be very difficult to communicate across Thedas, plus not ever Grand Cleric and priest will stand with her. For all we know some with have to mind set of Lambert.

2)Chances are the masses outside of Orlais know next to nothing about her so why would they care? Most people maybe loyal to the Maker and Andraste. However, that does not mean that will follow the Divine.

3)If Justinia does hire Crows to fight for her, how will that be seen by the faithful. Financially the coin she has is likely connected to the Orlesian economy, if most of that is going to the Civil War, shes in trouble down the road.

4) If the other nations are having problems similar to Orlais (possible war for the throne, rebuilding after the Blight, recovering from Qunari, Mage and Templars conflicts, and combating Darkspawn.) I doubt that they will have anything to spare the most powerful nation in Thedas.

[Rinshikai10]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Rinshikai10 wrote...

If the Qunari do invade, I would think that many nations are screwed. From what I remember, Mages are the only known counter to the Qunari black powder and canons. Now that the Circles have declared independence they are under no obligation to help the Chantry or any nation in Thedas.

Chances are if they do help Justina fight the Qunari, should the invasion happen, then they may be forced back into the Circle system, once the fighting ends. (Just my opinion)

You likely would see the majority of bickering cease once the Qunari arrived, it occured last time they invaded after all.

It caused the imperium and mainland thedas to actually fight together against a common foe for the first since the blight  

Haven't the nations of Thedas only ever took a blight seriously when its on their individual doorsteps? Its seems that every time a Blight has happened, the Wardens have to pressure nations into working together.

While the Chantry is widespread, it appears that each nation still has a different view on how the Mages should be treated. Ferelden and Nevarra seem to be less intolerant of Mages compared to The Free Marches and Orlais.

If Justinia was going to ally with certain nations, I would think that Ferelden and Nevarra would be the best bet. However, they both have a flimsy relationship with Orlais at best.

While Justinia is the head of the Chantry, she may still be seen as an Orlesian trying to grab power.

Just my opinion.

Merry Christmas!

If i recall correctly the siege in Orlais during the third blight was broken by reinforcements from the Anderfels and Tveinter. Admittedly it did take them a while to rally but hey! at least the mage lords helped...more then can be said for the dales... 

And personally? I don't think she is in much a position to grab power considering the majority of her armed forces just declared independence of her along with the majority of the Seekers apparently.

Her martial strength is gone.

I think your confusing the second blight with the third. I thought the Dales were already Orlesian by that time. I do agree with you on her martial strength being gone.

While she may still have some power. I still believe that her forces looking for the Warden and Hawke, tell us that she is desperate to stabilize the fractured Chantry power. And that she is unable to do so on her own.

[Sir JK]

Rinshikai10 wrote...
1) With all that is going on in Orlais I believe that it will be very difficult to communicate across Thedas, plus not ever Grand Cleric and priest will stand with her. For all we know some with have to mind set of Lambert.

2)Chances are the masses outside of Orlais know next to nothing about her so why would they care? Most people maybe loyal to the Maker and Andraste. However, that does not mean that will follow the Divine.

3)If Justinia does hire Crows to fight for her, how will that be seen by the faithful. Financially the coin she has is likely connected to the Orlesian economy, if most of that is going to the Civil War, shes in trouble down the road.

4) If the other nations are having problems similar to Orlais (possible war for the throne, rebuilding after the Blight, recovering from Qunari, Mage and Templars conflicts, and combating Darkspawn.) I doubt that they will have anything to spare the most powerful nation in Thedas.

Of course. There's way more pieces to the puzzle than what my posted may have suggested. I'm sort of just objecting to the notion that she's powerless or even crippled. We need to know far more about her to be able to say that with any certainty. It's safe to say that losing templars and mages is bad to her position, but without knowing her other assets we know nothing about how bad it actually was.

[ianvillan]

Sir JK wrote...

Of course. There's way more pieces to the puzzle than what my posted may have suggested. I'm sort of just objecting to the notion that she's powerless or even crippled. We need to know far more about her to be able to say that with any certainty. It's safe to say that losing templars and mages is bad to her position, but without knowing her other assets we know nothing about how bad it actually was.

True we know nothing of what the Chantry may have lost or what they might have, also no one should rule out the common people, because if she can keep them and get them to fight for her then she will have an amazing amount of power.

I do not know much about the Chantry but I would think it would take a lot of intelligence and cunning to get to the position of divine, If Justinia is in the position of fighting for the protection of the Chantry she could be one of the most dangerous characters there could be.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sir JK wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.Aizen one of strongest characters in bleach no one could mach him he could do what he wanted even forced loyalyty over other characters.

Thank you.

2.Not rly if leader is for example invincible in terms of power he can do what he want because no one can stop him more power he have then more freedom he can achieve for example tevinter is rather not very restrained. When weak leader is forced to follow laws and rules society because simple others will remove him if he don't (dumar).So ultimately more power you have less restrained you are (because only stronger can force you) unless you decide follow your codex or others by your own will.

Ah, I think I've failed to explain my point. A strong leader is not free to do as he pleases, but he can lead his base of power to achieve what he wants.
Power does not grant you freedom. It grants you ability. It allows you to change things, to sculpt them as you please. But it will demand your time, quite possibly all of it or even more than you're able to provide. Take two months off and you will find that the world has left you behind. It will not wait for you.

3.She have nothing to offer as i said she lost her army templars and seekers with few loyal peoples left and she don't have power over mages anymore.Peoples have own problems and well if templars win (and well rather they will) she is screwd because they will quickly remove her so any her supporter will ****** off templar army not reciving anything that support woman that lost support.She lost voice because she can stop all that mess and lost her hand to force others to stop that mess divine always was just to look pretty when templars had power and this is shown when divine start make decisions that templars don't want to.

How many thousands of priests does she still command? That will carry her words across the continent?
How many million people live by her decrees? Devoted to her and the religion she leads?
How many million gold can she summon to buy whatever she needs? For instance every single Antivan crow?

How many thousand men will the kings of Thedas provide if she asks them?

I would not count her out quite yet.

1.No problemo^_^
2.Well more power you have quicker you will able change things for example "god" if have absolute power isn't restreined by anything (unless he choose to) so he is free as free you be.So if you are restreined by society that means that you are not powerful enough and if you are forced to do what others please then you don't have power.
3.And what priest can do pray priest are useless and many priest is corrupted others will disagree with her mages view and well she is already suspicious about her shady past.
Peoples don't live serving her peoples belive in chantry (not her) and chantry position has been weakened and many will hate her for what she did (freeing mages) besides that peoples have own problems pesants (who are most vulnerable on chantry word can't do anything and have own problems , nobles are mostly corrupt and hardly will care about what chantry will want all they care is money and position and world is in war.
She can't do what she likes divine is decorative figure all she do to have look pretty and clean if she star spend money what she like others will quickly see that and especially on shady things she will be done ignoring
loyalty of the crows she would end kicked out from chantry.

 

ianvillan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

If Justinia goes, I will crown Leliana as the next Divine!!!

That
may actually be what happens, Leliana has some Divine purpose that we
don't know about and she is meant to be touched by the Maker so she
might be the next Divine of a new Chantry.

What she is assassin and was bard (is) she have so many blood on her hand and shady things that peoples never will accept as spiritual leader who should shine as example.Her views only provoked hatred before and will do that now and she was considered to be crazy by most... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 décembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[Angrywolves]

I doubt Justinia is powerless.The troops that were sent to Kirkwall shows she isn't powerless.Players who say she is are underestimating her imo.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Angrywolves wrote...

I doubt Justinia is powerless.The troops that were sent to Kirkwall shows she isn't powerless.Players who say she is are underestimating her imo.

All i saw maybe dozen guys with her assassin (leliana) and cassandra who were desperate enough to seek guy/girl who they thought conspired against them and seek his/her help.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 décembre 2013 - 02:38 .

[Angrywolves]

Looked like more than that to me.I'll have to watch a youtube video to see if I am right or if you are.

I want Justinia and Lambert both gone, so their abilities don't matter that much to me.Just was presenting an alternate view.

[dragonflight288]

Angrywolves wrote...

Looked like more than that to me.I'll have to watch a youtube video to see if I am right or if you are.

I want Justinia and Lambert both gone, so their abilities don't matter that much to me.Just was presenting an alternate view.

And who would replace them? The Divine is elected by the Grand Clerics, so what would be stopping them from electing someone sympathetic to Lambert's views, or merely being a figurehead like Beatrix was?