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[Angrywolves]

In the twitter thread elite pinecone posted a link saying there would be an antagonists from Asunder in DAI.
I have to assume it's Lambert.

[Magdalena11]

I'd actually rather see the pride demon that possessed Pharamond in a different host or without one entirely. Lambert is a possible appearance because one of the dividing forces in Thedas is the mage/templar conflict. I think whatever role he plays is pretty minor, though because whatever caused the veil tear, he just wouldn't have been powerful enough.

I agree that specifying Lambert is MIA instead of dead or alive is fishy. I can't wait to see where they go with it.

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

Oh the irony!

If its true, I wonder who would be in control Lambert or Cole?

Also could it effect how they view Justinia and the Mages? Could it force Lambert to see things differently?

If Lambert is possessed, I'm hoping it's a situation exactly like the one Anders was in, where both Lambert and Cole fight for control.

Heck, it would be hilarious if he ends up a party member, and our actions/inactions determine who ultimately takes control, say supporting Red Templars would bring Lambert's personality out more often, but supporting mages, Rhys and others bring out Cole more often.

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

If Lambert is possessed, I'm hoping it's a situation exactly like the one Anders was in, where both Lambert and Cole fight for control.

Heck, it would be hilarious if he ends up a party member, and our actions/inactions determine who ultimately takes control, say supporting Red Templars would bring Lambert's personality out more often, but supporting mages, Rhys and others bring out Cole more often.

I wonder how Cassandra and Vivienne will react to that.

Supporting the Reds... do you think the Inquisitor can side with the Red Templars?

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

If Lambert is possessed, I'm hoping it's a situation exactly like the one Anders was in, where both Lambert and Cole fight for control.

Heck, it would be hilarious if he ends up a party member, and our actions/inactions determine who ultimately takes control, say supporting Red Templars would bring Lambert's personality out more often, but supporting mages, Rhys and others bring out Cole more often.

I wonder how Cassandra and Vivienne will react to that.

Supporting the Reds... do you think the Inquisitor can side with the Red Templars?

No idea. I know at PAX they said that the Red Templars attacked that town in opposition to the Inquisition setting up shop there, so it may be possible to side with them and mage forces end up attacking the town, but it's fun to think about.

[Rinshikai10]

I think its too soon to know for sure.

With Cassandra I'm betting she would see him like Anders.

[Rinshikai10]

As we draw closer to the release of DAI, does it seem more likely that Leliana will be the only direct contact we have with Justinia should she live?

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...

In the twitter thread elite pinecone posted a link saying there would be an antagonists from Asunder in DAI.
I have to assume it's Lambert.

Man that'd be bs if it were true, because it would mean either being sidelined into supporting the mages turning the Templars into Dragon Age's Cerberus or it would mean he will be a weak crappy character whose sole motivation is he is possessed or crazy from Red Lyrium.

[Sir JK]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

As we draw closer to the release of DAI, does it seem more likely that Leliana will be the only direct contact we have with Justinia should she live?

We have had no official information regarding neither Justinia, Leliana nor the Chantry itself so I'd say it's still too soon to tell. I suspect that the first oppoortunity for a indepth look would be Masked Empire, or if they run some promotional material discussing their role.

But other than that, I suppose we can only wait and see.

[Rinshikai10]

True, the only reason I bring it up is I've seen at least two pieces of concept art that look to have Leliana near the Inquisitor. However, these could be old for all I know.

http://rpgslayer.com...isition-art.jpg

http://images4.wikia...-Coronation.jpg

Both these redheads kind of look like Leliana to me.

[Magdalena11]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

As we draw closer to the release of DAI, does it seem more likely that Leliana will be the only direct contact we have with Justinia should she live?

Justinia seemed like a pretty hands-on type of leader in Asunder so I think the inquisitor will be able to interact with her directly, at least at some point.  As Leliana seems to have been the only mortal since Andraste to have a hotline with the Maker she may well be the Divine's mouthpiece as well.  Don't mind me, my slip is showing.  I'll just go put on my raincoat for the fecal storm the last opinion will get me.

[Rotward]

She's secretly a darkspawn emissary, and the chantry is just their way of spying on the surfacers.

[Rinshikai10]

@Magdalena11

While Justinia does seem to be more proactive then some of the other Divine's. I don't know if working through others is hands-on or not.

From wait I can remember from Asunder, it sounds like the Capital may be feeling the heat of the Civil War. If it does turn out to be true, I bet that Justinia may go into hiding to stay alive.

Just my opinion though.

@Rotward

I'll that one to the pile, its definitely out there.

[Banxey]

I will be disappointed if Justinia isn't in Inquisition. I also would be mildly disturbed if it were possible for people to kill her based solely on their hatred of the Chantry. This may be due to my own view of her, but I find the character interesting.

[Rinshikai10]

She is interesting, but as the same time I don't know if I would trust her.

[Banxey]

I can't think of anything she has done that would make me not be open to trusting her.

I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread, but I did see your theory that she might have been responsible for the death of Beatrix III. I don't want to cover old ground, but I just see her as being too empathetic to murder someone to attain power unless she had a very good reason. Given that the rather idealistic Leliana is one of her closest confidants, I think she genuinely is working toward a common good.

[Rinshikai10]

One theory that I've had is. Like Leliana, Justinia has got some kind of redemption thing going. And the reforming the Circle system, is her grand gesture for atoning for a life she possibly regrets.

The problem I have with a more idealistic type of leaders is they see the end goal, but underestimate the the obstacles. Lambert/Seekers/Templars and Fiona/Circle Mages being Justinia's.

[Banxey]

Fair point. I think her goal in part seems to be freeing some mages from the burden of their magic. I think she believes that if she can make magic use a choice she will lessen the stigma attached to it. But she seems to be willing to take a lot of chances on faith, which could be dangerous. I can't help but think she is too smart for that though. I am holding out to hear what she has to say, which is why I hope she's in Inquisition (or even The Masked Empire).

[Magdalena11]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

One theory that I've had is. Like Leliana, Justinia has got some kind of redemption thing going. And the reforming the Circle system, is her grand gesture for atoning for a life she possibly regrets.

The problem I have with a more idealistic type of leaders is they see the end goal, but underestimate the the obstacles. Lambert/Seekers/Templars and Fiona/Circle Mages being Justinia's.

I'm not sure I'd be that quick to assume that Justinia has a need for redemption and because of it she's going to idealistically strive for her goal  and fall short.  That's a whole lot of "if this" conditions before the conclusion.  Perhaps Justinia is an intelligent woman in a position of power (over what, at this time being a moot point) who has ideas about where she wants the chantry to go.

[esper]

I cannot see Justina as a competent leader, under her leadership she managed to alianate both the templars and the mages. That takes a special kind of talent.

I think she has good intention and that her view of the andrastian religion is ultimately closer to Leliana's than the official one, that fortunately will make it more likely for her to splinter the religion into new fractions than to stenghten the chantry. Something she has already done a bit, bit alinaiting a good portion of the templars.

[Rinshikai10]

@Magdalena11

I won't deny that my theory may not by true. However, throughout Asunder Justinia seems to miscalculate her decisions on how to deal with the situation.

1) Wynne may have been able to stop that last two votes for separating the Circle from the Chantry, and that may why Justinia is using her. However, while Wynne may be easier to manipulate compared to Fiona, we see that Wynne has also lost a considerable amount of respect among the Circles.

2) Just my opinion, but I believe that Justinia flat out ignores Fiona because she would be more difficult to get on her side. However, because she does not talk to Fiona as far as we know, that gaves the Grand Enchanter a full year to rally support.

3) With Lambert she doesn't seem to realize just how far he will go against her if she does something he doesn't agree with.

4) The ROT research seems like a good way to get the Mages to listen to her, but is it really worth the cost? To save one Tranquil Mages research nearly one thousand innocents were sacrificed. And the results were not what Justinia wanted. Even though Pharamond did as the Divine order, he basically is punished as a way to appease Lambert.

Plus the way Lamberts loyalist acted it would appear that the many Templars don't want things to change, regardless of evidence that the Rite is flawed. Simply because it give them a false sense of security.

As Banxey points out, Justinia takes a lot of chances on faith. While the reward for success it great, the risks are even higher.

Modifié par Rinshikai10, 10 janvier 2014 - 02:10 .

[Rinshikai10]

So, so far we as players and fans have come up with a few ideas about what Justinia was before she became Divine.

1) Bard
2) Mage
3) Bloodmage
4) Darkspawn emissary
5) Priest
6) Possible hand of the previous Divine

Looking back to Dragon Age 2, does it seem like Justinia's decision to research the RoT comes around the time Sir Alrik's letter was sent to her?

[dragonflight288]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

So, so far we as players and fans have come up with a few ideas about what Justinia was before she became Divine.

1) Bard
2) Mage
3) Bloodmage
4) Darkspawn emissary
5) Priest
6) Possible hand of the previous Divine

Looking back to Dragon Age 2, does it seem like Justinia's decision to research the RoT comes around the time Sir Alrik's letter was sent to her?

You know, I think you're right. Heck, her decision to look into it was probably inspired by Alrik's letter in case someone did decide to go through with it.

[MisterJB]

Rinshikai10 wrote...
4) Darkspawn emissary
 

Wait, what?

[Hellion Rex]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

So, so far we as players and fans have come up with a few ideas about what Justinia was before she became Divine.

1) Bard
2) Mage
3) Bloodmage
4) Darkspawn emissary
5) Priest
6) Possible hand of the previous Divine

Looking back to Dragon Age 2, does it seem like Justinia's decision to research the RoT comes around the time Sir Alrik's letter was sent to her?

Well...we already know she was a (5). Hmm...I wonder if she could be a mage or something else...