I agree that the Wardens would not take part in the M/T war. However, if the Circles did become autonomous it may make it easier for them to recruit Mages into the ranks. (Opinion)
But does the warden want more mages in their ranks? They are not being limited to the number of mage present in their order by the Chantry, only by how many they can recruit from the circles, but that limit does not apply to Tevinter or apostates...
But does the warden want more mages in their ranks? They are not being limited to the number of mage present in their order by the Chantry, only by how many they can recruit from the circles, but that limit does not apply to Tevinter or apostates...
Actually Wiki states they can only have one mage from each circle at a time.
Wynne says that, but they've been known to have more than just one, like in the flashbacks to Warden's Keep, and the Warden-Commander recruiting Anders and Velanna.
Aka an escaped circle mage and Apostate, and an Apostate.
Neither came from a circle.
Actually Wiki states they can only have one mage from each circle at a time.
hmm. That is exactly what I said. The Chantry limite the number of circle mages, not the number of mages the Wardens can have. The Wardens could have more by recruiting apostates and Tevinter mages, but that is not happening. So why aren't the Warden recruiting so few mages?
hmm. That is exactly what I said. The Chantry limite the number of circle mages, not the number of mages the Wardens can have. The Wardens could have more by recruiting apostates and Tevinter mages, but that is not happening. So why aren't the Warden recruiting so few mages?
Actually Wiki states they can only have one mage from each circle at a time.
This is also stated in the mage origin if you talk to that mage setting up Duncan's quarters before you see Irving after your Harrowing.
Well, after reading the Masked Empire it looks like there isn't much hope for the Empire or the Chantry.
Well, after reading the Masked Empire it looks like there isn't much hope for the Empire or the Chantry.
What do you mean?
Well, after reading the Masked Empire it looks like there isn't much hope for the Empire or the Chantry.
Actually it seems like we only have to kill like three people and both will be fine.
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After all, One elf is one elf.
one mage of the circle at a time.... however there is no more circle, so if it were me, id swoop in (i know its bad) and scoop up a good chunk for my ranks... this of course happening if the wardens were not so preoccupied with whatever they are preoccupied with
Well, after reading the Masked Empire it looks like there isn't much hope for the Empire or the Chantry.
It seems fixable enough.
But why do that when you could have a reign of terror?
because reigns of terror are so cliche... i would have a reign of muffins
because reigns of terror are so cliche... i would have a reign of muffins
I think I just found the muffin man.
@ The Baconer
I have to disagree with you on the amount of flexibility that is available to both Celene and Justinia. Both have make decisions that now limit what actions they can take, and which groups will even listen to them.
one mage of the circle at a time.... however there is no more circle, so if it were me, id swoop in (i know its bad) and scoop up a good chunk for my ranks... this of course happening if the wardens were not so preoccupied with whatever they are preoccupied with
If it were me, I wouldn't. For one thing, the Harrowing has a high fatality rate, and the world needs mages so it wouldn't do to accidentally kill most of them. For another, you have to have to be very healthy and talented to do the things Grey Wardens are required to.
I'd look at mages who have a great deal of skill or talent in certain schools. I'd look for masters of creation or primal, with a little less emphasis on spirit and entropy.
@ The Baconer
I have to disagree with you on the amount of flexibility that is available to both Celene and Justinia. Both have make decisions that now limit what actions they can take, and which groups will even listen to them.
I didn't say flexible 
I didn't say flexible
oops.
When you meant fixable do you mean returning both to what they were before the conflict? While it may be possible to fix the Empire and Chantry, I don't really know if that is a good idea.
When you meant fixable do you mean returning both to what they were before the conflict? While it may be possible to fix the Empire and Chantry, I don't really know if that is a good idea.
Fixable as in, if you crush or subjugate one, the rest of the nobles/authorities will have no choice but to follow the other, which unity (though tense) to Orlais. Of course, that's not really my plan.
The Templar/Mage issue is harder to deal with, though.
If it were me, I wouldn't. For one thing, the Harrowing has a high fatality rate, and the world needs mages so it wouldn't do to accidentally kill most of them. For another, you have to have to be very healthy and talented to do the things Grey Wardens are required to.
I'd look at mages who have a great deal of skill or talent in certain schools. I'd look for masters of creation or primal, with a little less emphasis on spirit and entropy.
Who says you have to recruit ones who have been through their harrowing? Thats just a test to see if they can resist demons, i highly doubt the wardens would care too much if their power is needed
hmm. That is exactly what I said. The Chantry limite the number of circle mages, not the number of mages the Wardens can have. The Wardens could have more by recruiting apostates and Tevinter mages, but that is not happening. So why aren't the Warden recruiting so few mages?
Sorry, when you say mage, I think you mean from the circle.
Fixable as in, if you crush or subjugate one, the rest of the nobles/authorities will have no choice but to follow the other, which unity (though tense) to Orlais. Of course, that's not really my plan.
The Templar/Mage issue is harder to deal with, though.
Care to share what your plan is?
I don't believe that tactic is very affective. Otherwise Orlais would still be in control of Ferelden.
When Celene crushed the Elven uprising, and Justinia was considering the Exalted March on Kirkwall, it just made the situation for them worse.
Celene may want to help the Elves, but after what she has done, there is a strong chance that they will not consider her an ally. Just as Justinia may want to help the Mages and Templars, but they may not see her as an ally, due to her decisions up until this point.
The Grand Game that they both appear to play doesn't seem to work.
Care to share what your plan is?
I don't believe that tactic is very affective. Otherwise Orlais would still be in control of Ferelden.
When Celene crushed the Elven uprising, and Justinia was considering the Exalted March on Kirkwall, it just made the situation for them worse.
Celene may want to help the Elves, but after what she has done, there is a strong chance that they will not consider her an ally. Just as Justinia may want to help the Mages and Templars, but they may not see her as an ally, due to her decisions up until this point.
The Grand Game that they both appear to play doesn't seem to work.
Because this situation is different, with the veil tears. They can fall in line or their country will burn. Yes, things are just as likely to fall back apart once that is dealt with, but as far as I'm concerned, it's no longer the Inquisitor's problem.
Of course, that isn't my plan (as in, my first playthrough/canon character's plan). I don't need nobles.
Who says you have to recruit ones who have been through their harrowing? Thats just a test to see if they can resist demons, i highly doubt the wardens would care too much if their power is needed
I never mentioned the Harrowing, I said mages who are recruited have to be capable, healthy, and knowledgeable enough on the Fade and demons to be able to handle any unexpected magical situations the Wardens may find themselves in.
Simply being capable enough to join the Wardens takes a very particular type of person, a person who is committed, resourceful, healthy, and very skilled. The number of people who qualify, be they mages or otherwise are few in number. Even fewer survive the Joining.
I'm not going to recruit a large number of mages to try and monopolize magic when I know most of them would probably die in the Joining. It would be a waste of life and talent, talents and knowledge that can be better utilized in other ways.
Care to share what your plan is?
I don't believe that tactic is very affective. Otherwise Orlais would still be in control of Ferelden.
When Celene crushed the Elven uprising, and Justinia was considering the Exalted March on Kirkwall, it just made the situation for them worse.
Celene may want to help the Elves, but after what she has done, there is a strong chance that they will not consider her an ally. Just as Justinia may want to help the Mages and Templars, but they may not see her as an ally, due to her decisions up until this point.
The Grand Game that they both appear to play doesn't seem to work.
(Finally I've read the book and can return to actually discuss things on these forums)
I disagree. It's just that the Game is ill suited to respond quickly to events, which is why both have ended up on the defensive. But that is about to turn, for both of them.
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