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[TheKomandorShepard]

Well i was saying that she may be agent of chaos after all she did a lot to cause war first provoking mages and then templars in the end when war could be prevented by lambert she helped mages escape what started war and then pushed tensions between humans and elves.But i doubt that she was big bad at best high-ranked servant of big bad however she is dead so either she was innocent or agent of chaos sacrificed her.

[Mistic]

That I agree. I almost want to replay it now (jeez, I just re-installed DAO and DA2).

 

And, as you point out, she is "in the middle of it all"...Just imagine Cassandra's reaction if that was the case. Outch...

 

I think Cassandra could cope. I'm more worried about Leliana. Marjolaine's blow was hard enough.

 

Well i was saying that she may be agent of chaos after all she did a lot to cause war first provoking mages and then templars in the end when war could be prevented by lambert she helped mages escape what started war and then pushed tensions between humans and elves.But i doubt that she was big bad at best high-ranked servant of big bad however she is dead so either she was innocent or agent of chaos sacrificed her.

 

Well, if she ends up being the villain, you would have been right about her all along

[azarhal]

I think Cassandra could cope. I'm more worried about Leliana. Marjolaine's blow was hard enough.

 

I was more talking in the sense of "someone gonna burn" than depression.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How is she going to be with the bad guys if she is killed by said bad guys?

[azarhal]

We have no proof she died yet...

 

Also, if the Inquisitor got pushed inside the Fade, it's possible others did as well who were aware of the process and avoided the soldiers when they came back.

[TheKomandorShepard]

How is she going to be with the bad guys if she is killed by said bad guys?

Because bad guys never kill bad guys

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because bad guys never kill bad guys

lol they have Lust from FMA:B as the picture.

 

I think the leader of pretty much the most influential organization in Thedas could still serve a role. After all, why hope a replacement follows your path instead of having the current one who is an ally guarantee it? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

lol they have Lust from FMA:B as the picture.

 

I think the leader of pretty much the most influential organization in Thedas could still serve a role. After all, why hope a replacement follows your path instead of having the current one who is an ally guarantee it? 

It is pretty much that big bad or at least agent of chaos want spread chaos for one reason or another blowing up mages leaders and cahntry leaders inlcuding divine would do big mess not mention about veil pretty much i doubt that divine would be needed at this point. 

[Rinshikai10]

I think Cassandra could cope. I'm more worried about Leliana. Marjolaine's blow was hard enough.

 

 

Well, if she ends up being the villain, you would have been right about her all along

 

That would be a deadly blow to Leliana. I wonder if that would force a change on her view of the Chantry.

 

I remember I piece of dialogue from DAO during Broken Circle between Alistair and Leliana, that makes her look very naive. She said something along the lines of the Chantry accepting all regardless of what they have done. Then Alistair says to her that she must have gone to a different Chantry because the one he knew wouldn't hesitate to put a sword of mercy through her heart. (talking about one of the surviving blood mage apprentices.)         

[Mistic]

That would be a deadly blow to Leliana. I wonder if that would force a change on her view of the Chantry.

 

I remember I piece of dialogue from DAO during Broken Circle between Alistair and Leliana, that makes her look very naive. She said something along the lines of the Chantry accepting all regardless of what they have done. Then Alistair says to her that she must have gone to a different Chantry because the one he knew wouldn't hesitate to put a sword of mercy through her heart. (talking about one of the surviving blood mage apprentices.)         

 

That's one fo Leliana's strengths and also her weakness. If the Divine happens to be the Big Bad, or at least one of their minions...

 

It would be also the only possible reason that could justify deep changes in the Chantry structure. I wouldn't expect really a Reformation in Thedas (although it may happen), but taking management over magic from the Chantry would be very easy to justify in that case and the Chantry couldn't do anything about it. Well, yeah, protest, but it would be very easy for rulers all over the world to tell the (truthful) tale of Evil Justinia V.

[wcholcombe]

Hmm not really buying Justinia being evil. Could it happen, sure but it would be entirely out of character for her. Especially considering she was one of the first people to suspect outside influences affecting the mage/templar issues in kirkwall and even sent seekers to investigate.

Also pretty sure the big bad is tied to Felessan in some way and don't see that being Justinia.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hmm not really buying Justinia being evil. Could it happen, sure but it would be entirely out of character for her. Especially considering she was one of the first people to suspect outside influences affecting the mage/templar issues in kirkwall and even sent seekers to investigate.

Also pretty sure the big bad is tied to Felessan in some way and don't see that being Justinia.

Out of character lady started world war and before was provoking 2 sides at first she didn't nothing for mages making them explode then when mages were angry she started provoke templars.Not mention that she also went for making tensions between elves and humans bigger.So either she was dumb and screwd everything she did or she did that intentionally.

[Mistic]

Hmm not really buying Justinia being evil. Could it happen, sure but it would be entirely out of character for her. Especially considering she was one of the first people to suspect outside influences affecting the mage/templar issues in kirkwall and even sent seekers to investigate.

Also pretty sure the big bad is tied to Felessan in some way and don't see that being Justinia.

 

Justinia can be another Felassan, that is, a minion instead of the mastermind. Also, let's remember that seekers were sent to Kirkwall years after what happened in Kirkwall. And only to look for Hawke. You know, the person that could "put it back together". An ally, if you're trying to save the world. A liability to get rid of, if you're looking to destroy it. What she may say in public to other Chantry members is irrelevant if she has darker objectives.

 

But this is just wild speculation. So far, it's more reasonable to think she will die at the beginning of the game.

[wcholcombe]

Out of character lady started world war and before was provoking 2 sides at first she didn't nothing for mages making them explode then when mages were angry she started provoke templars.Not mention that she also went for making tensions between elves and humans bigger.So either she was dumb and screwd everything she did or she did that intentionally.

 

TKS you and I have vastly different opinions on Justinia, it isn't even worth the two of us having a conversation.

 

 

Justinia can be another Felassan, that is, a minion instead of the mastermind. Also, let's remember that seekers were sent to Kirkwall years after what happened in Kirkwall. And only to look for Hawke. You know, the person that could "put it back together". An ally, if you're trying to save the world. A liability to get rid of, if you're looking to destroy it. What she may say in public to other Chantry members is irrelevant if she has darker objectives.

 

But this is just wild speculation. So far, it's more reasonable to think she will die at the beginning of the game.

Actually, the Seekers were sent because initially the Divine and company thought Hawke may have been an agent of whomever was pulling the strings manipulating the Mages and Templars. That is why Cass is so antagonistic to Varric and why she thinks Hawke was responsible.

 

Personally I think she was genuinely trying to reform the chantry. I think her death will long term be a rallying cry for reform and it will come out some of the hardliners among the grand clerics were possibly involved resulting in a backlash against the hardliners among the clergy.  If there is a reformation of the Chantry, it will not be in the mode of the protestant reformation, it will be a reformation of the the Chantry as a whole.  The hardliner Templars have already been removed and, judged by what we know of the red templars possibly marginalized in DAI, you take care of the clergy and the reforms can go through.

[TheKomandorShepard]

TKS you and I have vastly different opinions on Justinia, it isn't even worth the two of us having a conversation.

 

It is not an opinion those are 2 possible scenarios first when she is extremely incompetent and she fails in completing goal you claim she have or she did it intentionally because as far she did everything she could to lead to war.

[wcholcombe]

It is not an opinion those are 2 possible scenarios first when she is extremely incompetent and she fails in completing goal you claim she have or she did it intentionally because as far she did everything she could to lead to war.

Or she was a realists and realized that changes had to be made and Lambert was an insubordinate little tool who acted like a rash idiot when a calmer logical thinking individual could have defused the issue much simpler.

 

 

See its opinions TKS we can do this all day long, but I don't find enjoyment in debating with someone who states opinion as fact.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Or she was a realists and realized that changes had to be made and Lambert was an insubordinate little tool who acted like a rash idiot when a calmer logical thinking individual could have defused the issue much simpler.

 

 

See its opinions TKS we can do this all day long, but I don't find enjoyment in debating with someone who states opinion as fact.

Yes she was realist that tried prevent war and caused world war by letting walking bombs roam free... she was extremely naive or played such but as i said if she was realist she wouldn't do such dumb things that lead to war she did so it isn't in case...

 

opinion is when situation is not certain here we have 2 scenarios not more... one of this 2 is a fact...

[Rinshikai10]

I have to wonder though if Justinia does die at the start of the game do many Chantry priest that support her also die? It sounds like after this event, the Chantry is suppose to fall into disarray. Having no leader keeping the divided clergy together, I would think that we as players will see a great deal of infighting for the Sunburst throne.   

[azarhal]

I have to wonder though if Justinia does die at the start of the game do many Chantry priest that support her also die? It sounds like after this event, the Chantry is suppose to fall into disarray. Having no leader keeping the divided clergy together, I would think that we as players will see a great deal of infighting for the Sunburst throne.   

 

I expect to see lots of old ladies bickering, but actual violence I doubt it, unless some Templars or another armed group try to usurp the "throne".

[Rinshikai10]

Wouldn't surprise me if these old bickering ladies had bards at their command.

[Rinshikai10]

From what I have read on the DAI web page is does say that Divine Beatrix III did die of old age after suffering from dementia.

 

 

"Divine Beatrix III, long suffering from dementia, succumbs to old age."

 

I can see quite a few members of the Chantry using that to their advantage. 

[ShawDawg94]

I can not believe that I'm just now realizing that the Dorothea from Leliana's Song is Divine Justinia. Wow. How did I miss that? I almost feel like my credentials as a Dragon Age fan went down today.

[The Ascendant]

I wouldn't be surprised if she is killed at the peace summit along with other VIP's from the Chantry and Mages. What I want to know is what happens after the explosion. How many Grand Clerics were killed? Who will be the most supporting of the Inquisition. Remember the Inquisition is an independent organisation, but given it's history and the influence of the Chantry in economic and political terms we might have to deal with her successor. Our soldiers and resources need to come from somewhere.

[azarhal]

I can not believe that I'm just now realizing that the Dorothea from Leliana's Song is Divine Justinia. Wow. How did I miss that? I almost feel like my credentials as a Dragon Age fan went down today.

 

Rather easy to miss actually. Justinia V real name being Dorothea is only found in a DA2 codex entry, it's not mentioned anywhere else.

[Rinshikai10]

@Ciardap

 

I have my doubts that our military power or resources will come from the Chantry on a large scale. If the Chantry leadership dies in the explosion, my moneys on infighting among those that survive. Unless we are given the power to influence who will lead, I don't believe that the Chantry will want to help unless they gain a certain amount of control over the Inquisition.