in her defense it wasn't only her actions that lead to the templar mage war that thing have been looming for centuries and it took the extremists on both sides before the war finally broke out.
Also in her defense, she did at least try to diffuse the situation. But the mages saw it as too little too late and the Seekers, specificially Lambert saw it as a betrayal of everything they stood for as they didn't want the mags getting any new rights or privileges at all.
in her defense it wasn't only her actions that lead to the templar mage war that thing have been looming for centuries and it took the extremists on both sides before the war finally broke out.
Well we can for sure that her helping mages escape was thing that started mage templar war.
Also in her defense, she did at least try to diffuse the situation. But the mages saw it as too little too late and the Seekers, specificially Lambert saw it as a betrayal of everything they stood for as they didn't want the mags getting any new rights or privileges at all.
If she didn't "try" mages there would be in circles (funnily the only time she should leave things she did something) and not that mages deserved any new rigts as we are shown they don't circle is to control mages not to please them.
Well we can for sure that her helping mages escape was thing that started mage templar war.
Lambert's attack on the mages didn't exactly help either, it was that in the end the deciding factor in the vote they finally held.
also the war would have happen just later, but after the actions that happen in Kirkwall and Asunder pretty much opened the flood gate.
If she didn't "try" mages there would be in circles (funnily the only time she should leave things she did something) and not that mages deserved any new rigts as we are shown they don't circle is to control mages not to please them.
people are easier to control when they are pleased.
Lambert's attack on the mages didn't exactly help either, it was that in the end the deciding factor in the vote they finally held.
also the war would have happen just later, but after the actions that happen in Kirkwall and Asunder pretty much opened the flood gate.
people are easier to control when they are pleased.
Lambert attack prevented war and if left alone lambert would do his thing and war would be prevented.
Yes because it worked with pesants in daa or mages that have highest life standard in thedas outside some nobles.
Lambert attack prevented war and if left alone lambert would do his thing and war would be prevented.
Yes because it worked with pesants in daa or mages that have highest life standard in thedas outside some nobles.
The peasants didn't weren't happy in Awakening, they were starving if you chose to help the farmers to store grain in preparation for war with the darkspawn, or felt unprotected if you chose to protect the city, or were riled up to rebellion by traitors in the arling if you didn't already take care of them.
And mages may have a high level of material comforts, they also have the lowest level of emotional stability, and are kept that way by templar practice. And we see in the mage origin (which I just replayed,) their power reacts to their emotions, so to be a truly good mage, you'd have to have a firm grasp of your emotions, something the templars who inflict psychological trauma on mages make quite difficult. Most mages in the circles are in some way emotionally stunted, or are encouraged to be, by the practices of it being frowned upon to have relations, not being allowed to have children, and possibly the lack of privacy in the apprentice dormitory quarters depending on the personality of the mage in question.
Material comforts do not grant people happiness, and this is quite clear when it comes to mages in the circles because, while they are granted food, clothing and so on, they are constantly beat down by how they are wicked simply by virtue of existing, can be abused by the sadistic templars, and by that I mean the templars who happen to be sadistic, without any recourse or person to complain to, and are pretty much emotionally and psychologically abused when they are in the most crucial part of their development years.
Saying the peasants in Awakening are happy doesn't keep them from revolting is simply grossly inaccurate because they obviously weren't happy. And saying material comforts make mages happy and that didn't stop them from rebelling also is factually untrue since in all the games and novels, I haven't seen many truly 'happy' mages as the very system they are a part of does its best to keep them from being happy.
Simply fact is, material goods do not make people happy. Their emotional needs also need to be met, and those are far more important than the physical ones. Mages have their physical needs (mostly) but not their emotional ones.
Lambert attack prevented war and if left alone lambert would do his thing and war would be prevented.
Yes because it worked with pesants in daa or mages that have highest life standard in thedas outside some nobles.
Lambert was a seeker, not a templar, a seeker's main mission is basically to keep the templar's in line and make sure they don't abuse their power, they occasionally hunt very clever mages (mages there are to elusive for the templars to track down) in other words he was doing something that wasn't his area of expertise and he also attacked before the mages even held their vote, he would have been in the right if the vote had turned out the mages vote for breaking away from the circle, but he decided not to play it smart and that makes his actions little more then the one of a tyrant trying keep power over a people he is losing control over.
Mages is also watched 24/7, every child they have are taken away from them, most of them are not allowed to have any contact with their families etc, it's a golden cage, but still a cage.
The peasants didn't weren't happy in Awakening, they were starving if you chose to help the farmers to store grain in preparation for war with the darkspawn, or felt unprotected if you chose to protect the city, or were riled up to rebellion by traitors in the arling if you didn't already take care of them.
And mages may have a high level of material comforts, they also have the lowest level of emotional stability, and are kept that way by templar practice. And we see in the mage origin (which I just replayed,) their power reacts to their emotions, so to be a truly good mage, you'd have to have a firm grasp of your emotions, something the templars who inflict psychological trauma on mages make quite difficult. Most mages in the circles are in some way emotionally stunted, or are encouraged to be, by the practices of it being frowned upon to have relations, not being allowed to have children, and possibly the lack of privacy in the apprentice dormitory quarters depending on the personality of the mage in question.
Material comforts do not grant people happiness, and this is quite clear when it comes to mages in the circles because, while they are granted food, clothing and so on, they are constantly beat down by how they are wicked simply by virtue of existing, can be abused by the sadistic templars, and by that I mean the templars who happen to be sadistic, without any recourse or person to complain to, and are pretty much emotionally and psychologically abused when they are in the most crucial part of their development years.
Saying the peasants in Awakening are happy doesn't keep them from revolting is simply grossly inaccurate because they obviously weren't happy. And saying material comforts make mages happy and that didn't stop them from rebelling also is factually untrue since in all the games and novels, I haven't seen many truly 'happy' mages as the very system they are a part of does its best to keep them from being happy.
Simply fact is, material goods do not make people happy. Their emotional needs also need to be met, and those are far more important than the physical ones. Mages have their physical needs (mostly) but not their emotional ones.
They were complaining if you give them what they want that leads to bad outcome where they want more and start riots when you cursh or intimidate them everything is fine.
There is no abuse in circles outside very few cases in series in fact all 2 of them in kirkwall as i said circles are already paradise for mages and there is no emotional abuse outside mind of pro-mages and it is no more abuse when parents don't allow you on relationship well what is in case often in thedas.
This is not abuse in any way and they are taught that their actions can have terrible consequences i don't see how it is abuse yes same as you can be abused by police you may or you may not as i said we had only 2 cases of abuse by templars...
I explained both above so well...
Lambert was a seeker, not a templar, a seeker's main mission is basically to keep the templar's in line and make sure they don't abuse their power, they occasionally hunt very clever mages (mages there are to elusive for the templars to track down) in other words he was doing something that wasn't his area of expertise and he also attacked before the mages even held their vote, he would have been in the right if the vote had turned out the mages vote for breaking away from the circle, but he decided not to play it smart and that makes his actions little more then the one of a tyrant trying keep power over a people he is losing control over.
Mages is also watched 24/7, every child they have are taken away from them, most of them are not allowed to have any contact with their families etc, it's a golden cage, but still a cage.
What that have anything to do? Lambert protected system from being destroyed and he would if not divine it is like protecting room that you are working instead entire building from collapsing.
No they aren't from what i saw no templars where they sleep or bath another lie spread by pro-mages.Nobody forces them to having children so well they should think first pretty much price for stupidity applies everywhere not only in circles and yes they can contact with ther families.
Mages is also watched 24/7, every child they have are taken away from them, most of them are not allowed to have any contact with their families etc, it's a golden cage, but still a cage.
If it's about their children, you may be correct, but if it's about parents or siblings, they are allowed to. Finn from Witch Hunt is the most triumphant example, but there are many codex entries about powerful nobles favouring their mage children even inside the Circles. The main problem seems to be that mages are typically taken from all over the country, not to talk about moving from or to other Circles, and they live in seclusion. It's very difficult for those that aren't well-off to afford to keep contact.
Apart from this nitpicking, I agree with you on Lambert not doing his supposed job. He was doing the Templars' job, while he had to do the Seekers'. And he did it wrongly. Expecting that him taking down the mages in the conclave without the Divine's support was going to stop the rebellion instead of fueling it seems naive at best and blindly fanatical at worst.
If it's about their children, you may be correct, but if it's about parents or siblings, they are allowed to. Finn from Witch Hunt is the most triumphant example, but there are many codex entries about powerful nobles favouring their mage children even inside the Circles. The main problem seems to be that mages are typically taken from all over the country, not to talk about moving from or to other Circles, and they live in seclusion. It's very difficult for those that aren't well-off to afford to keep contact.
Apart from this nitpicking, I agree with you on Lambert not doing his supposed job. He was doing the Templars' job, while he had to do the Seekers'. And he did it wrongly. Expecting that him taking down the mages in the conclave without the Divine's support was going to stop the rebellion instead of fueling it seems naive at best and blindly fanatical at worst.
And yet it prevented rebellion until divine freed them what lead to rebellion.
And yet it prevented rebellion until divine freed them what lead to rebellion.
I hope you realize that the mage rebellion didn't become official until weeks after the events in the White Spire, as shown in chapter 22 of Asunder. That means that the mere hours between Lambert taking down the conclave and the mages fleeing (ch 18-21) are not enough to tell what the rest of the Circles would have done after getting the news, especially after Asunder revealed that the Circles have a system of fast messaging. They were already jumpy as they were after what happened in Kirkwall. Do you think that the mages being imprisoned and executed after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave would be taken better than the mages escaping after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave?
I hope you realize that the mage rebellion didn't become official until weeks after the events in the White Spire, as shown in chapter 22 of Asunder. That means that the mere hours between Lambert taking down the conclave and the mages fleeing (ch 18-21) are not enough to tell what the rest of the Circles would have done after getting the news, especially after Asunder revealed that the Circles have a system of fast messaging. They were already jumpy as they were after what happened in Kirkwall. Do you think that the mages being imprisoned and executed after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave would be taken better than the mages escaping after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave?
Yep of course rebellion barely passed and only because of rhys despite that events thanks to divine showed that there are chances if lambert crushed mages pretty much mages would see that as no hope for win sign and better to not ****** templars.
What that have anything to do? Lambert protected system from being destroyed and he would if not divine it is like protecting room that you are working instead entire building from collapsing.
No they aren't from what i saw no templars where they sleep or bath another lie spread by pro-mages.Nobody forces them to having children so well they should think first pretty much price for stupidity applies everywhere not only in circles and yes they can contact with ther families.
I'm not going to try to explain it to you since we have had discussions like this before and we will in the end get nowhere, so I will end it here.
If it's about their children, you may be correct, but if it's about parents or siblings, they are allowed to. Finn from Witch Hunt is the most triumphant example, but there are many codex entries about powerful nobles favouring their mage children even inside the Circles. The main problem seems to be that mages are typically taken from all over the country, not to talk about moving from or to other Circles, and they live in seclusion. It's very difficult for those that aren't well-off to afford to keep contact.
Apart from this nitpicking, I agree with you on Lambert not doing his supposed job. He was doing the Templars' job, while he had to do the Seekers'. And he did it wrongly. Expecting that him taking down the mages in the conclave without the Divine's support was going to stop the rebellion instead of fueling it seems naive at best and blindly fanatical at worst.
to be fair to Lambert he does has his reasons acting the way he does, after all his old friend, the black divine did betray him which eventually lead him to become part of the main chantry and not the Tevinter one although why he became the lord seeker instead of a high templar is a mystery to me, not to mention Adrian did fool Lambert into thinking Rhys had murdered someone.
But considering that Meredith could hold power in Kirkwall for 3 years and no Seekers showed up to take her down could suggest that the Seeker's where doing other stuff which could suggest that the Seeker were not doing their job over all.
Still if Lambert had waited for the vote to happen either they would vote for staying in the circle in which case the system would be protected and he just could have waited to talk to Rhys later if they voted for leaving the circle then he would have every right to shut them down even Justina would support him at that point.
I hope you realize that the mage rebellion didn't become official until weeks after the events in the White Spire, as shown in chapter 22 of Asunder. That means that the mere hours between Lambert taking down the conclave and the mages fleeing (ch 18-21) are not enough to tell what the rest of the Circles would have done after getting the news, especially after Asunder revealed that the Circles have a system of fast messaging. They were already jumpy as they were after what happened in Kirkwall. Do you think that the mages being imprisoned and executed after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave would be taken better than the mages escaping after Lambert unlawfully dissolved the conclave?
from what I remember the circles were already fighting against the templars at that point in other words the rebellion had already begun it was just a matter of making it official.
Yep of course rebellion barely passed and only because of rhys despite that events thanks to divine showed that there are chances if lambert crushed mages pretty much mages would see that as no hope for win sign and better to not ****** templars.
Lambert wasn't/isn't a Templar, he was/is Lord Seeker who's main job is to make sure Templars do their jobs and don't misuse their power.
I'm not going to try to explain it to you since we have had discussions like this before and we will in the end get nowhere, so I will end it here.
Lambert wasn't/isn't a Templar, he was/is Lord Seeker who's main job is to make sure Templars do their jobs and don't misuse their power.
Well your call.
So what i said working in 1 room where entire building is on fire is stupid and well he did his job as he made sure that templars do their job and that they will do it in the future perfectly or at least as i said he would if not dumb divine.
There is no abuse in circles outside very few cases in series in fact all 2 of them in kirkwall as i said circles are already paradise for mages and there is no emotional abuse outside mind of pro-mages and it is no more abuse when parents don't allow you on relationship well what is in case often in thedas.
This is not abuse in any way and they are taught that their actions can have terrible consequences i don't see how it is abuse yes same as you can be abused by police you may or you may not as i said we had only 2 cases of abuse by templars...
While we've not seen many cases of abuse, it's a far cry to say that it does not happen and the Circles are paradise.
Clearly, that's not the case. Rhys has a long passage in Asunder where he mentions that the Mages have become used to their friends disappearing and never being told where they went, either because they died during the Harrowing or were transfered to another Circle, or sometimes seeing them reappear later as one of the Tranquil, with a blank look on their face and a brand on their head.
Can you imagine that sort of environment where seeing your friends vanishing in the middle of the night is considered normal? Or the sort of emotional toll that it would take to see your friend (or perhaps even lover) show up having been magically lobotomised?
Things are not fine in the Circle and it is definitely not Paradise, not unless you define Paradise as "Gulag meets Hogwarts".
If we believe Anders (and he has no reason to lie), he mentions that he was lucky in that he was never assaulted or raped by any Templars, but it can and did happen to people he knew in the Circle. And this was the Ferelden Circle he was talking about, one of the least oppressive Circles (on the surface) we know about, especially compared to the sorts of infamous reputation the Kirkwall Gallows has!
If we believe Anders (and while he has no reason to lie),
He has every reason in the world to lie.
If we believe Anders (and he has no reason to lie), he mentions that he was lucky in that he was never assaulted or raped by any Templars, but it can and did happen to people he knew in the Circle. And this was the Ferelden Circle he was talking about, one of the least oppressive Circles (on the surface) we know about, especially compared to the sorts of infamous reputation the Kirkwall Gallows has!
Entirely hearsay. Kirkwall maybe, but I sincerely doubt Greagoir would let any of that BS happen in Kinloch Hold.
He has every reason in the world to lie.
For what purpose though? What's the point in being so incensed about the injustice of something that didn't happen to him, did not happen to someone he knew or does not happen at all?
Anders might not always tell the truth about what he's doing, but he never lies about wanting to take down the Templars and the Circle, so lying about atrocities that he knows didn't actually happen, doesn't really seem like his style? (Although in the real world, revolutionaries will twist the truth about such things to further their goals, so it's not unheard of I'll admit).
Furthermore, would Justice really have been so corrupted into a walking anti-Templar killing machine if he knew that most of Anders gripes against the Circle and Templars were entirely untrue?
While we've not seen many cases of abuse, it's a far cry to say that it does not happen and the Circles are paradise.
Clearly, that's not the case. Rhys has a long passage in Asunder where he mentions that the Mages have become used to their friends disappearing and never being told where they went, either because they died during the Harrowing or were transfered to another Circle, or sometimes seeing them reappear later as one of the Tranquil, with a blank look on their face and a brand on their head.
Can you imagine that sort of environment where seeing your friends vanishing in the middle of the night is considered normal? Or the sort of emotional toll that it would take to see your friend (or perhaps even lover) show up having been magically lobotomised?
Things are not fine in the Circle and it is definitely not Paradise, not unless you define Paradise as "Gulag meets Hogwarts".
If we believe Anders (and while he has no reason to lie), he mentions that he was lucky in that he was never assaulted or raped by any Templars, but it can and did happen to people he knew in the Circle. And this was the Ferelden Circle he was talking about, one of the least oppressive Circles (on the surface) we know about, especially compared to the sorts of infamous reputation the Kirkwall Gallows has!
No one says abuses aren't in case simple they are rare as i said we had 2 cases of abuse and we have already a lot of da products.
That is necessity so like it or no tranquility stays of course unless you want to kill mages then im with you. 
Friends go away in real life as well you have to deal with it no big deal and as i said mages not to mention that only for young as after harrowing they can't be turned into tranquil.
I love how pro-mages see circles and compare them to places like gulag 
Anders is zealot and an abomnation he loves paint circles in bad light like pro-mages "gulag" ( ) pretty much even his side quest show how wrong and blind he is.
Friends go away in real life as well you have to deal with it no big deal and as i said mages not to mention that only for young as after harrowing they can't be turned into tranquil.
I love how pro-mages see circles and compare them to places like gulag
Except in the Circle, your friends will often become as close as your family. Now imagine if you had a brother and sister vanish one day, with no warning and with no-one telling you if they're alive or dead, or where they are? Something that is not even that hard a question to answer?
And we know that while it's against Chantry law, it doesn't stop some hardliners from doing it anyway. Look at the massive amount of Mages that were Tranquiled in Kirkwall, despite having passed their Harrowings. And how "young" would you say poor Karl was, given all the grey in his beard?
Because a prison you're taken to against your will, for the crime of being born different from those in the majority, without any chance of parole and where you are expect to comply with the guards (who believe everyone armed and dangerous) else you will be executed or lobotomised, is not as much a breach of human rights as a gulag?
For what purpose though?
Trying to sway the PC Hawke to his misguided and inaccurate method of thought.
What's the point in being so incensed about the injustice of something that didn't happen to him, did not happen to someone he knew or does not happen at all?
Because being possessed he lacks the ability to be rational.
Abominations are Insane Horrors remember?
Anders= Insane horror
Anders might not always tell the truth about what he's doing
That's an understatement.
but he never lies about wanting to take down the Templars and the Circle, so lying about atrocities that he knows didn't actually happen, doesn't really seem like his style? (Although in the real world, revolutionaries will twist the truth about such things to further their goals, so it's not unheard of I'll admit).
Lying and Twisting Sentiment isn't his style despite him doing such and being caught doing such?
Random Fereldan Apostate runs from the circle, protects Urchins and dies due to her being an abomination, Anders if Present twists the entire situation into an argument for how being born mage brands you as a criminal, in truth it brands you to be kept away from the world for the greater good.
Seriously, i can cite a few more cases, it actually stuck with me because it made me angry i couldn't call him out on his bullsh*t
Furthermore, would Justice really have been so corrupted into a walking anti-Templar killing machine if he knew that most of Anders gripes against the Circle and Templars were entirely untrue?
Given he turned the misgivings of an apostate who escaped the circle seven times and turned it into a crusade against a thousand year old tradition, i'd believe so.
Seriously, Anders just needed to be beheaded.
All this grief could have died with one random a**Hole losing his head, but no!
Bioware needed this little war.
Also Anti Templar Killing Machine?
That comic is non canon thankfully, he isn't an invincible cannibal anymore, he's a squishy little mage who gets a dirk in the back.
I think you give him too much credit. Without Anders, there would still be a mage-templar war. Blowing up that Chantry was just the final straw (where have we heard that before?)
People like Adrien and Fiona would have caused the war anyway. Mages are sick of being treated like crap.
So what i said working in 1 room where entire building is on fire is stupid and well he did his job as he made sure that templars do their job and that they will do it in the future perfectly or at least as i said he would if not dumb divine.
he had no right to take down the conclave, because at that point they had done nothing wrong and again he wasn't his job there more then enough templars to handle the situation if needed instead he put himself in the eye of the storm and acts like a templar and not a Seeker.
Entirely hearsay. Kirkwall maybe, but I sincerely doubt Greagoir would let any of that BS happen in Kinloch Hold.
I doubt Greagoir knows what every one of his templars are doing after all there was a lyrium smuggling ring in that circle he knew nothing about, it's hard something if you don't know anything about it or have any proof it happening.
Except in the Circle, your friends will often become as close as your family. Now imagine if you had a brother and sister vanish one day, with no warning and with no-one telling you if they're alive or dead, or where they are? Something that is not even that hard a question to answer?
And we know that while it's against Chantry law, it doesn't stop some hardliners from doing it anyway. Look at the massive amount of Mages that were Tranquiled in Kirkwall, despite having passed their Harrowings. And how "young" would you say poor Karl was, given all the grey in his beard?
Because a prison you're taken to against your will, for the crime of being born different from those in the majority, without any chance of parole and where you are expect to comply with the guards (who believe everyone armed and dangerous) else you will be executed or lobotomised, is not as much a breach of human rights as a gulag?
At least Justina did try to change some things in the circle and makes things more bearable for the mages which in turn would keep them for rebellion unfortunately takes to the actions of others it back fires.
Except in the Circle, your friends will often become as close as your family. Now imagine if you had a brother and sister vanish one day, with no warning and with no-one telling you if they're alive or dead, or where they are? Something that is not even that hard a question to answer?
And we know that while it's against Chantry law, it doesn't stop some hardliners from doing it anyway. Look at the massive amount of Mages that were Tranquiled in Kirkwall, despite having passed their Harrowings. And how "young" would you say poor Karl was, given all the grey in his beard?
Because a prison you're taken to against your will, for the crime of being born different from those in the majority, without any chance of parole and where you are expect to comply with the guards (who believe everyone armed and dangerous) else you will be executed or lobotomised, is not as much a breach of human rights as a gulag?
No difference here peoples leave their family members or they them so well...
It is rare and as i said and it is said even by characters in-universe kirkwall circle was very harsh by circle standarts and well arlik...
No it was said it is more quarantine that don't give a damn about human rights hell circles are even better because mages live like kings.That will be only in case if you are dangerous and unstable well even not that very dangerous and unstable.
he had no right to take down the conclave, because at that point they had done nothing wrong and again he wasn't his job there more then enough templars to handle the situation if needed instead he put himself in the eye of the storm and acts like a templar and not a Seeker.
Yeah they protected suspected criminal and tried go their own way totally fine *lambert passes by group of magisters that try visit black city second time waves his hand and says* heh not my job im to watch templars you can continue.
I think you give him too much credit. Without Anders, there would still be a mage-templar war. Blowing up that Chantry was just the final straw (where have we heard that before?)
True, But the annulling of the Kirkwall circle and the death of the Grand Cleric pushed things past the point where they could be solved peacefully, He kicked the world over the edge.
Without his actions, the college wouldn't have been closed initially, Fiona wouldn't made herself look like a moron getting it closed and the Libertarians could have gone back to consorting with demons trying to take over their circles rather then plotting rebellion.
he had no right to take down the conclave, because at that point they had done nothing wrong
Incorrect, The Divine ordered Lambert to give them a conclave to discuss the tranquility "cure".
He did, He didn't order it closed until the topic of sedition came up.
Off Topic, Against the Law, its like the Parliament of Britain discussing the breaking away of London from the United Kingdom into it's own city state.
Because being possessed he lacks the ability to be rational.
Abominations are Insane Horrors remember?
Anders= Insane horror
Granted they were possessed by a different spirit entirely, but Wynne (and later Evangeline) are also abominations and were nothing but rational, nor did they turn into an insane horror. Of course, they are an exception and not necessarily the rule.
If I was to speculate on the reason most abominations are so irrational (and why people who were possessed are prone to heightened emotions) is because they amplify someone's Id and decrease their ego and super-ego, so that they're more likely to have delusions of grandeur and believe they can take over the world, rather than the reality that they'll probably be killed in the middle of their incessant monologuing? Seriously, how many demons have we seen speechify about this exact thing now?
Also Anti Templar Killing Machine?
That comic is non canon thankfully, he isn't an invincible cannibal anymore, he's a squishy little mage who gets a dirk in the back.
I meant that the two times we see him Hulk out, it's usually because of the Templars and he immediately attempts to slaughter any in the vicinity.
No idea about the comic that made him into a cannibal, do you mean the short story that was released before the game where he blacked out and woke up with blood and the guts of Templars strewn around him? Because I always took that to be Justice tore them apart, rather than turn into Hannibal Lecter.
No difference here peoples leave their family members or they them so well...
No it was said it is more quarantine that don't give a damn about human rights hell circles are even better because mages live like kings.
Except if you leave your family members, you can either write to them at least to let them know you are okay. Most communication in the Circles is implied to be read by the Templars before being sent or recieved, hence why they are often forced to find other ways to smuggle out messages to people. Unless you are able to send a missive to your friends in another Circle and hope it gets there, they'll likely never know if you were alive or dead?
And how can you say Mages live like Kings?
Last time I looked, Kings were able to freely roam around where and when they wished and not under permanent house arrest? Sure both have guards looking over them, but the difference is that most guards with a King are going to protect him, rather than want to protect people from him like Templars do with Circle Mages (even if protecting them is also in their mandate).
Kings also aren't forced to bathe with over a dozen other people present, not thrown in the dungeon if they sneak out in the middle of the night for a midnight snack, or forced to find a dark corner or empty room they can have a quickie in before someone inevitably will show up to ruin the mood?
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