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[Zelto]

Firstly this clearly has spoilers for Dragon Age 2 so don't
read if you want to play it!

Having just replayed Dragon Age 2 and chose to kill Anders (again) at the end
as I totally disagree with the actions he takes at the end.

Since DA:I will import from DA:2 I really hope that the consequences of that
choice are not negative. I really do not want to see that siding with a
terrorist or allowing them to escape unpunished is somehow the optimal choice
in DA:I.

There were choices in DA:O which had positive impacts in DA:2, such as allowing
Avernus to continue his research. This gives a feeling that to have the optimal
import that you should allow him to live. This is the sort of consequence I am referring
too.

Modifié par Zelto, 15 avril 2013 - 11:58 .

[Forst1999]

There weren't many consequences in DAII that were really positive or negative for you. Avernus is an exception. So I wouldn't worry. The worst thing I see happening is missing out on an Anders-related side-quest, which would be fair, I think.

[Monica21]

One of the differences with Avernus is that he regrets the lengths he went to. Even if you tell him that he can continue his research however he wants, I don't think he agrees that it's fine to corral humans for it. Anders shows no such regret. Maybe he would in a hundred years or so, but given how corrupted his mind has become I don't see it happening.

Given the level of disdain many players have for him, I wouldn't be surprised if he were alive just to ****** people off.

[Androme]

 inb4 ''his story is done XDDDD never want to see him again I WANT NO1 FROM OLD GAMES IN DA3 LOOOL XDDDDDD''

[JCAP]

Vengeance will come back, one way or the other... I just know it

[Zack_Nero]

Well what you have to remember is that Anders wasn't the only character from DA:O-A but also Justice, they had both fused together to make Anders and Vengeance. Just because you killed Anders doesn't mean the spirit inside him died too. That is the question that will most likely get answered in DA3. Also, on a side note, why would anyone want to side with crazy Meredith. She was clearly insane about mages being evil.

[9TailsFox]

I doubt you killed Anders Justice will keep him alive, and you just stab him in the back. Most logical Anders will be alive no matter if you kill him or not.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

David Gaider has stated that if you killed Anders in your playthrough then he will stay dead. I think too many people killed him for him to come back. I know, I know, they have done it before but those can be seen as "did they really die"?. You stab Anders in the back and watch the light fade from his eyes. I think he is pretty much dead in that case.

Edit: as to the post above about Justice, you have to remember that they became one and that they could not be seperated.  I am pretty sure that since Anders died that Justice did too.  He was a spirit of Justice, not a healing spirit like what Wynn had.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 15 avril 2013 - 03:13 .

[Zack_Nero]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

David Gaider has stated that if you killed Anders in your playthrough then he will stay dead. I think too many people killed him for him to come back. I know, I know, they have done it before but those can be seen as "did they really die"?. You stab Anders in the back and watch the light fade from his eyes. I think he is pretty much dead in that case.

Edit: as to the post above about Justice, you have to remember that they became one and that they could not be seperated.  I am pretty sure that since Anders died that Justice did too.  He was a spirit of Justice, not a healing spirit like what Wynn had.

Well if we also remember in Awakening Justice was somehow fused to the corpse of Krisoff, for reasons still unknown, but once that body was no longer useable he went to Anders so it is hard to say if he actually died with Anders or simpley moved on to a new body.  Whcih also rises the question as to weather he is the spirit of Justice, Vengeance, or something new.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 15 avril 2013 - 03:29 .

[PillarBiter]

 as a player also having killed him (in my main playthrough), I would like to see the spirit of justice coming back a a spirit with a warped sense of justice i.e. vengeance. That would be interesting. 's all I'm saying. 

However, I do agree with the OP that such a choice should not be punishing for a player. it should just provide different story.

[Ianamus]

On the contrary, I think that letting Anders live is more likely to have negative consequences. Should he become a prominent figure in the Mage rebellion trying to get some form of peace between the mages and templars to face the greater conflict will probably be a lot harder because I can't see him ever agreeing to it. Anders presence might remove peace as an option for that conflict altogether.

Modifié par EJ107, 15 avril 2013 - 03:53 .

[N7KnightSabre]

I was totally shocked by what he did at the end but I didn't kill him. I agree with Anders that in order for things that are so ingrained in society to change, something big has to happen, someone needs to rise up. I completely disagree with blowing up the chantry, however. I thought the templars should've been the target. You don't mess with people's faith, that will always come back to bite you in the rear and the chantry was filled with innocents and one of the few decent people in the whole city, the revered mother.

I felt that Anders needed to see this through to the end and live with the concequences of his actions. Perhaps it's a fate worse than death, to have to live out the rest of your life knowing you took the lives of innocents. I really do think Anders regrets killing those people but he is determined to free mages and so am I (but I won't use his tactics).

[Deebo305]

Dead! Did not like him in Awakening and he just got worst in DA2. Thank god for Murder Knife

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Zack_Nero wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

David Gaider has stated that if you killed Anders in your playthrough then he will stay dead. I think too many people killed him for him to come back. I know, I know, they have done it before but those can be seen as "did they really die"?. You stab Anders in the back and watch the light fade from his eyes. I think he is pretty much dead in that case.

Edit: as to the post above about Justice, you have to remember that they became one and that they could not be seperated.  I am pretty sure that since Anders died that Justice did too.  He was a spirit of Justice, not a healing spirit like what Wynn had.

Well if we also remember in Awakening Justice was somehow fused to the corpse of Krisoff, for reasons still unknown, but once that body was no longer useable he went to Anders so it is hard to say if he actually died with Anders or simpley moved on to a new body.  Whcih also rises the question as to weather he is the spirit of Justice, Vengeance, or something new.

True.  But again Kristoff was already dead when he took over the body.  And he was in that body for such a short time if he died in Awakenings.  He had actually become one with Anders and one could not be distinguished from the other.  Whereas with Kristoff it was always just Justice in the body and not another living being.  It would be interesting to see if they answer this or if this will just be another question that is to be answered within your own imagination.

[Shienis]

I liked Anders in Awakening and at the beginning of the DA2. I even started a romance with him. But when he became less Anders and more Vengeance, he was really creepy. And when he asked me to kill him, I did as he wished...

And I wish him to stay dead.

Maybe it would be good if Vengeance appears again, so I can kill this demon for good... (yes, for me it's demon, good spirits of fade don't blow up the Chantry)

[Zack_Nero]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

David Gaider has stated that if you killed Anders in your playthrough then he will stay dead. I think too many people killed him for him to come back. I know, I know, they have done it before but those can be seen as "did they really die"?. You stab Anders in the back and watch the light fade from his eyes. I think he is pretty much dead in that case.

Edit: as to the post above about Justice, you have to remember that they became one and that they could not be seperated.  I am pretty sure that since Anders died that Justice did too.  He was a spirit of Justice, not a healing spirit like what Wynn had.

Well if we also remember in Awakening Justice was somehow fused to the corpse of Krisoff, for reasons still unknown, but once that body was no longer useable he went to Anders so it is hard to say if he actually died with Anders or simpley moved on to a new body.  Whcih also rises the question as to weather he is the spirit of Justice, Vengeance, or something new.

True.  But again Kristoff was already dead when he took over the body.  And he was in that body for such a short time if he died in Awakenings.  He had actually become one with Anders and one could not be distinguished from the other.  Whereas with Kristoff it was always just Justice in the body and not another living being.  It would be interesting to see if they answer this or if this will just be another question that is to be answered within your own imagination.

Yes, Anders does say that the two are one now.  And there are moments when it does show, but there are also times when it shows that they differ.  Like in the one mission during the second act, Dissent, it shows that Anders is fighting against the spirit so he doesn't (or does) kill the mage Ella (In my main playthrough he doesn't).  That shows that their is still some kind of sepration between the two.  Also if you rommanced him he will say, "Justice doesn't approve this, one of the few things we disagree on."  Again proving, to me at least, that their is two different people in Anders.  The original and the spirit.

Edit: On a side note I did not rommance him in my main playthrough, I let him live but I didn't rommance him.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 15 avril 2013 - 05:00 .

[Twisted Path]

Like I said in some other thread: I may be wrong but I would guess that a majority of players killed Anders. Would really love to see the statistics on that sort of thing though. I was surprised that the vast majority of players went full paragon in the Mass Effect games, for instance, since most people I know who played the game went mostly renegade. I guess my friends and acquaintances are jerks who don't represent the wider population or...something.

And of course a lot of people probably see killing Anders as a mercy-killng, and less of a jerky thing to do. The poor guy used to be a cool, happy-go-lucky fellow, then he got possessed by a demon and just couldn't deal with it. Such a shame.

Modifié par Twisted Path, 15 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I don't want to get long page of quotes, so I am just going to do it this way. @Zack_Nero I never romanced him. Just could not get past they way he changed in DA2 from Awakenings. So I missed out on that one part. It could be that Justice is still alive but in my head unless something else happens, he is dead. Anders is dead that I am certain about, if you killed him that is. ****SPOILER**** even in Asunder (which I know is not game canon) Anders is dead. So I don't think that if we killed him that he will be showing up. Justice may show up as a demon of some sort because I do believe as others on this thread do that he was one at least by the end of DA2. He may not have started that way, but I believe he ended up that way.

[Renmiri1]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

David Gaider has stated that if you killed Anders in your playthrough then he will stay dead.

Yup

I believe there are a lot more people who kept Anders alive than most BSN'ers realize, but most fans don't want to deal with all the hate for the Chantry destruction so they just stay out of Anders discussions.

In any case, DA has not been "punishing" or "rewarding" players for choices. If you chose Ultimate Sacrifice or Old God Baby you basically got the same Awakenings, less a pep talk from Alistair, like 2 lines of different content. If you allowed Wherewolves to live, you get a small scene on DA2, but not anything major. I wouldn't worry.

PS: If you think Anders is too hot headed to negotiate peace, you haven't read Asunder! Fiona and her group of mages are as hot headed as he is, if not more.

PPS: Anders is NOT dead on Asunder. He is mentioned 3 times and none of those times say what has happened to him after Kirkwall

Modifié par Renmiri1, 15 avril 2013 - 05:52 .

[imbs]

Do we really need 20 Anders threads? Search engine is too hard innit.

[LobselVith8]

Monica21 wrote...

One of the differences with Avernus is that he regrets the lengths he went to. Even if you tell him that he can continue his research however he wants, I don't think he agrees that it's fine to corral humans for it. Anders shows no such regret. Maybe he would in a hundred years or so, but given how corrupted his mind has become I don't see it happening.

The Warden can encourage Avernus to push himself, however, so it's possible he might (which could be what his letter eludes to). My pragmatic Surana Warden certainly thought any line should be crossed if it meant stopping the Blight.

As for Anders, he certainly seems to have regret over the lives of the Chantry members lost in the explosion, which is why he surrenders himself to Hawke.

Monica21 wrote...

Given the level of disdain many players have for him, I wouldn't be surprised if he were alive just to ****** people off.

Another Leliana situation?

[Renmiri1]

imbs wrote...

Do we really need 20 Anders threads? Search engine is too hard innit.

BSN seems to go through fads where at least 5 threads are about the very same thing 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 15 avril 2013 - 06:06 .

[Stella-Arc]

Anders is dead in all my playthroughs. I can never let him live. He disgusts me. I even romanced that guy on my first ever playthrough and halfway through the story I was horrified. Then the idiot had to blow up the chantry.

Seriously, if the majority of the mages are made up of people like Anders, Fiona and Adrian, I might just say "**** you all" and join whatever faction appears less stupid.

[LobselVith8]

Stella-Arc wrote...

Anders is dead in all my playthroughs. I can never let him live. He disgusts me. I even romanced that guy on my first ever playthrough and halfway through the story I was horrified. Then the idiot had to blow up the chantry.

Anders condemned the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery. He saw his first love turned into a tranquil for writing letters, informing him about the horrors that were taking place in the Circle of Kirkwall. Mages have been tortured, raped, and murdered. I didn't hold it against Anders that he wanted to put an end to the Chantry controlled Circles, and emancipate his people from a millennia of servitude to the Chantry.

Stella-Arc wrote...

Seriously, if the majority of the mages are made up of people like Anders, Fiona and Adrian, I might just say "**** you all" and join whatever faction appears less stupid.

While I'd rather support people who are interested in helping maintain mage autonomy, rather than bending knee to the Chantry and the templars.