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[EdwinLi]

Zack_Nero wrote...



Yes, Anders does say that the two are one now.  And there are moments when it does show, but there are also times when it shows that they differ.  Like in the one mission during the second act, Dissent, it shows that Anders is fighting against the spirit so he doesn't (or does) kill the mage Ella (In my main playthrough he doesn't).  That shows that their is still some kind of sepration between the two.  Also if you rommanced him he will say, "Justice doesn't approve this, one of the few things we disagree on."  Again proving, to me at least, that their is two different people in Anders.  The original and the spirit.

Edit: On a side note I did not rommance him in my main playthrough, I let him live but I didn't rommance him.

I still think killing Anders would change nothing. Even if Anders is gone forever one way or the other it could mean Justice has completely taken over Anders body for good no matter what which means only Justice will rmeain even if you kill Anders but he will be in complete control over Anders body.

As only shown through Romance scenes with him near the end Justice take over of Anders body has begun to be a permenant thing with Anders having complete blanks of what happens when Justice takes over. Killing him will most likely not separate these two anymore because Anders waited too long.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 15 avril 2013 - 06:19 .

[LobselVith8]

EdwinLi wrote...

I still think killing Anders would change nothing. Even if Anders is gone forever one way or the other it could mean Justice has completely taken over Anders body for good no matter what which means only Justice will rmeain even if you kill Anders but he will be in complete control over Anders body.

As only shown through Romance scenes with him near the end Justice take over of Anders body has begun to be a permenant thing with Anders having complete blanks of what happens when Justice takes over. Killing him will most likely not separate these two anymore because Anders waited too long.

 

Anders does say it's likely Justice would survive, even if he died. However, it's possible Justice would live on in the Fade, since I imagine he would have possessed Anders' corpse the moment he 'died' if he was going to continue living on in the real world.

[EdwinLi]

LobselVith8 wrote...



Anders does say it's likely Justice would survive, even if he died. However, it's possible Justice would live on in the Fade, since I imagine he would have possessed Anders' corpse the moment he 'died' if he was going to continue living on in the real world.

Well possessing of Anders body is mostly the case. Don't forget the line "I am Anders!" shows how much permenant they have become since Justice now see himself as Anders.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I found this in the Dragon Age Wiki about Anders.

David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, he is ultimately dead. Justice, however, may be another story.[10]

And I stand corrected @Renmiri1. I had to go back and look at Asunder, but you are right, it never says that he is dead just that he blew up the Chantry in Kirkwall.

[Zelto]

Renmiri1 wrote...

In any case, DA has not been "punishing" or "rewarding" players for choices. If you chose Ultimate Sacrifice or Old God Baby you basically got the same Awakenings, less a pep talk from Alistair, like 2 lines of different content. If you allowed Wherewolves to live, you get a small scene on DA2, but not anything major. I wouldn't worry.

There are some quests in DA:2 that can be easily argued as a reward for certain choices in DA:O, Avernus being the most obvious one. I don't think many people can argue that getting a free skill is not a benifit. Other choices are maybe less rewarding, but some choices result in extra quests, and therefore xp and gold, which many would feel is a benifit.

My point was I personally think its wrong to have that sort of benifit, whether major or otherwise for choosing to save Anders when he is a terrorist. Now if there are two quests, each equally beneficial, depending on whether he lives or dies, then that I have no problem with. One may deal with Anders while the other may invole seeking out Justice in the fade for example.

I personally rather liked Justice in DA:A, so was disappointed with how he turned out in DA:2.

[Renmiri1]

Heh today is not a good day to debate Anders. 2 bombs exploded at Boston Marathon just now :/

[Warden661]

IF Anders lived through whatever playthrough in DA2 I would guess that he is either with Hawke or a leader of the mages who are rebelling (both possibilities could be one and the same). There could be other possiblilites I'm sure.

What I would find to be more interesting is what happened to Justice, (Vengance), if Anders is killed. Is he still possessing Anders' body or has he found a new host? I assume he will still be fighting agaisnt the Templars in some way or another.

Either way I am very interested to see how Anders and/or Justice are put into DA3 if they are at all.

[Jaronking]

I agree with why he did it but not the way he solved it he want from freedom for mages to a terrorist and he killed a person who had nothing to do with it he should have blown up the gallows but i let him live to atone for his sins

[schalafi]

I didn't kill Anders, and while we were escaping to the Gallows, he said "This is worse than I thought it would be." That makes me think he's still aware of who he is, and maybe is starting to regret his actions.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BoBear wrote...

IF Anders lived through whatever playthrough in DA2 I would guess that he is either with Hawke or a leader of the mages who are rebelling (both possibilities could be one and the same). There could be other possiblilites I'm sure.

What I would find to be more interesting is what happened to Justice, (Vengance), if Anders is killed. Is he still possessing Anders' body or has he found a new host? I assume he will still be fighting agaisnt the Templars in some way or another.

Either way I am very interested to see how Anders and/or Justice are put into DA3 if they are at all.

If I remember correctly, Gaider said that if you killed Anders, Justice may or may not be freed, but either way he's not coming back if Anders is dead.

I don't think he said anything about whether Anders can come back if he wasn't killed.

[Teddie Sage]

I want him back, obviously. ^-^

[EdwinLi]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...



If I remember correctly, Gaider said that if you killed Anders, Justice may or may not be freed, but either way he's not coming back if Anders is dead.

I don't think he said anything about whether Anders can come back if he wasn't killed.

Actually he was referring to Anders not coming back not Justice not coming back. Most likely no matter the out come Justice will return. 

I won't be surprised if they made Justice a companion for DA3.

[andy6915]

I killed him because he just kept getting worse. He was an abomination who was losing more and more control with every passing year, becoming increasingly violent and unhinged with every passing "act" of the game. In act 1, fairly soon after his possession, he was still more or less Anders. But as time went on, Anders became less himself and more a vengeful fade creature. I mean, by the end he's blowing up buildings! That's after 10 years. What would another 5 years do to the guy if you spare him? Killing non-mages in the street, deciding that making a second Tevinter is a good idea and that keeping non-mage slaves is how it should be? For goodness sakes, he's already close to being like that as of act 3. Proof? If you give Fenris back to his master, Ander APPROVES of it, he even mocks Fenris as he gets taken and finds it funny. You think act 1 Anders would have done that? No, he wouldn't have. He needed to die because he's becoming a bigger threat to everyone, even other mages, with every passing year because Justice is taking more control as time goes on.

It needed to stop. I stopped his slope down to dangerous insanity before it went any further the only way I could... Death. It was a mercy kill, really. The old Anders would have been terrified of what he become like by the time of his death. Act 1 Anders would have begged me to kill his act 3 self. I like Anders. It's just a shame what Justice warped him into.

[blueumi]

I only ever killed him in one play through every other time he is alive and with Hawke so in my dragon age 3 game he better be fine
if he is always dead then I really don't want to buy the game
the way they treat mages is unacceptable so I want my mage hero to still be in the game

[Renmiri1]

blueumi wrote...

I only ever killed him in one play through every other time he is alive and with Hawke so in my dragon age 3 game he better be fine
if he is always dead then I really don't want to buy the game
the way they treat mages is unacceptable so I want my mage hero to still be in the game

+1,000

[DarthCaine]

He'll send you an email

[Monica21]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Another Leliana situation?

Not really. Kind of a big difference in my mind between, "eh, sort of annoying" and "Oh, right. Terrorist."

[Fredward]

I see no happy ending for Anders. And I LIKED Anders, I ROMANCED Anders. But yeah. I will be really disappointed if the writers make him a puppies and rainbow Justice/Vengeance-and-Anders-separated-with-no-side-effects-whatsoever ending.

[Zeta42]

I like Anders and I hate he had to suffer through so much. While I don't approve what he did with the Kirkwall Chantry, I agree with his cause. Mages are treated like sh** and that's unacceptable. That's why I always let him live: so he and Justice/Vengeance could fight for their freedom and probably atone for his sins.
And I've learned a valuable lesson from Mass Effect. A dead character serves no purpose. An alive one always does.

[Senya]

I was conflicted over Anders, so I chose to spare him in one playthrough, then killed him in the other two.

No matter his reasons, Anders became a terrorist. His murders cannot be justified.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I am hardcore Andrastian, but i still think that Anders is by far best written/made companion in Dragon Age series(although my most liked character is Isabella and then Varic), or at least equal to Morrigan, as they both have a huge impact on the games they were present in.

I wish we have all the companions like that, and not just one - rather have only 4-5 companions, that are awesome then a big selection of hollow token characters.

On his fate, i am 100% sure he will be in Inquisition if he survived Kirkwal - you had to join mages for that, as otherwise he comes back in Gallows and fight you to death there. Probably with insurgence mages - Rhys, Evangeline, Fiona and the rest.

EDIT: And wtf is that with Terrorist??? Terrorist is what the opresor called opresed that tried to fight back. The same way opresed called opresor Tyrant. You think that his actions aren't justified, but the world isn't black and white, the Templars are brutal and merciless,  Meredith, despite her madness was a 'good girl' litterally compare to some other templars, and we haven't seen all of the circles where it can be much worse for the mage. (Think of Ser Alric - turning girls tranquil and then gang raping them)

Modifié par Chaos Lord Malek, 16 avril 2013 - 02:38 .

[Zelto]

Zeta42 wrote...

I like Anders and I hate he had to suffer through so much. While I don't approve what he did with the Kirkwall Chantry, I agree with his cause. Mages are treated like sh** and that's unacceptable. That's why I always let him live: so he and Justice/Vengeance could fight for their freedom and probably atone for his sins.
And I've learned a valuable lesson from Mass Effect. A dead character serves no purpose. An alive one always does.

Fair enough if you like him but unless i seriously missed anything, what Anders suffered through is never mentioned, and since he was in the Ferelden circle I can't see that he was treated that badly to start with since the templars there are shown to be reasonable (Cullen is excusable given what he when through).

Anyway personal views of him aside I personally hope you are wrong with your assumptions about alive and dead characters, because that just gives an entirely wrong vibe that siding with a terrorist is benificial.

[Weltea]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I was conflicted over Anders, so I chose to spare him in one playthrough, then killed him in the other two.

No matter his reasons, Anders became a terrorist. His murders cannot be justified.

To me that sounds like you're deciding, not your Hawke. 
For me Anders is always alive because it never fit my Hawkes personalities to kill him. 

[smallwhippet]

Zelto wrote...

Zeta42 wrote...

I like Anders and I hate he had to suffer through so much. While I don't approve what he did with the Kirkwall Chantry, I agree with his cause. Mages are treated like sh** and that's unacceptable. That's why I always let him live: so he and Justice/Vengeance could fight for their freedom and probably atone for his sins.
And I've learned a valuable lesson from Mass Effect. A dead character serves no purpose. An alive one always does.

Fair enough if you like him but unless i seriously missed anything, what Anders suffered through is never mentioned, and since he was in the Ferelden circle I can't see that he was treated that badly to start with.

it's explained extensively in Awakenings: he spent a year in solitary confinement. 

[EdwinLi]

Zelto wrote...


Fair enough if you like him but unless i seriously missed anything, what Anders suffered through is never mentioned, and since he was in the Ferelden circle I can't see that he was treated that badly to start with since the templars there are shown to be reasonable (Cullen is excusable given what he when through).

Anyway personal views of him aside I personally hope you are wrong with your assumptions about alive and dead characters, because that just gives an entirely wrong vibe that siding with a terrorist is benificial.

Well it depends on the view of the punishment. 

I let him live because death, at this point, is not a fitting punishment but a escape from any real punishment he will face a live. He needed to see that his actions turned out wrong and since he started this whole mess he needed to help fix this. 

No matter how this conflict is settled Anders seems to prepare for any punishment he will face after the conflict is settled in DA3. Unless Sebastion found him and executed him sometime between DA2 and DA3.