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[S.A.K]

IMO yes. This is not only regarding the Geth/Quarian conflict. Here are some of my reasons considering that the galaxy contain far more organic civilizations than synthetics and the past actions of the Geth.

1. Geth allowing the Heretics to "leave".
According to the information provided in the game, Geth knew what the Reapers were and what they might intend on doing. The data Tali recovered from a Geth and the dialogue with Legion suggest this. Still the orthodox Geth allowed the Heretics to leave and damn near destroy everything. They only took notice when orthodox geth were threatened by the Heretics.
If a situation arises after making peace with the Geth and a part of the Geth consensus turns hostile to organics, the rest of the Geth may just understand and let them "leave".

2. Wasting 300 years hiding.
While starting the Morning War was Quarians fault, Geth desided to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy after that war. Cutting off communications and going as far as destroying any ship trying to contact them resulting organics fearing and mistrusting the Geth. Nobody would have even known there are two factions of Geth if not for Legion meeting the commander. And this was just a few months before Reapers arrive. Geth only sent one Geth unit capable of communicating with organics. Even it's purpose was finding information to deal with the Heretics. Nothing suggests Legions mission was to make peace with organics. Even if it was an attept at peace, it's a pretty pathetic attept.

3. Holding the Quarian homoworld.
Geth are not actually using the Quarian worlds as discribed by Legion. As described in point 2, Geth did not even provide a means of communicating with them untill a few months of Reaper arrival. Neither did they provide any reason to believe they want peace. When Quarians desperately need a planet, there only option was to go to war with the Geth. If a means of communication was provided, the seconds Quarian/Geth was would have been unnecessary. Quarians would cease hostilities if they had a reason as shown in peace options.

4. Reaper code.
The only reason to trust the Reaper code was Legions words. since it is the only means for the Geth to survive, taking it on Legion's words is problematic. Siding with the Reapers at the cost of their own free will shows Geth are willing to do anything to survive. So Legion would use the code even if it had "side effects" like getting hacked by the Reapers. I mean, look at Cerberus. If the Reaper code is allowed, the player is essentially providing the Geth with reaper tech to kill the Quarians rather than use their own capability.

5. Synthatics might consider organics to be weaker.
The Geth would continue to advance after making peace. In the case of peace with the Geth, the laws against AIs would be changed or revoked. As said by Legion, organics will be effected if they get in the their way. If the Geth are going to be a part of the citadel council, they will have to abide by laws as every other species such as which systems to colonize and the treaty of Farixen. Geth might consider organics to be hindering  their development.

Even if the player chooses synthasis ending, this situation can happen. The Geth see into each other and completely understand each other. Still look how the Heretics and the Orthodox Geth ended up.

These are the main reasons I have against the Geth. While I don't really hate the Geth, this is Geth vs. every other race. And like I said these are all my opinions. So feel free to discuss this and keep it friendly.

[Xilizhra]

You... you have to know there's already a thread for this. You've posted in it. A lot.

[mass perfection]

Javik:Stupid machines.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Every galactic species is pathetic in their own special way. They don't have to die for it. 

[shodiswe]

I say, kill the Quarians, they are an evolutionary dead end who can't cope with galactic expansion due to their oversensitive symbiotic nature that nearly makes colonization impossible.

They are also militaristic basturds who will betray anyone if it nets them a temporary advantage. (Admiral Gerrel).

They had a chance to establish diplomatic conections with the Geth but they voted against it, thinking it would be easier to just attack now that they had a new superweapon that came out of nowhere.

Just ask the Volus what they Think about Quarians or most people in the galaxy, very few people have positive things to say about Quarians. Very few would miss them tbh.

But seriously Peace is the best hope for a future without eternal wars between synthetics and organics simply because of that difference.

All races got criminals or terrorists or political radicals.

Cerberus, Terra Firma, in ME2 we see a Turian WHOs extremely racist towards humans besides being a criminal extortionist basturd running a protection racket.

[Argolas]

Their alliance with the reapers spoiled a lot. Still, I am very sad to see them go. The geth made the MEU a lot richer. The geth consensus deserves a seat in the council.

I hope the geth will be recreated as good as possible, and the old geth's sacrifices should be honored with equal rights for all self-aware synthetic life.

[shodiswe]

It's not like any of the other races are lacking crazy people, religious zealots or indoctrinated Spies and saboteurs. Just look at Xen, she's crazy, Gerrel is a warmonger who stabs you in the back when it nets him a profit.

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

Their alliance with the reapers spoiled a lot. Still, I am very sad to see them go. The geth made the MEU a lot richer. The geth consensus deserves a seat in the council.

I hope the geth will be recreated as good as possible, and the old geth's sacrifices should be honored with equal rights for all self-aware synthetic life.

You know that there won't be; rather, synthetics will be even more suppressed.

[shodiswe]

Argolas wrote...

Their alliance with the reapers spoiled a lot. Still, I am very sad to see them go. The geth made the MEU a lot richer. The geth consensus deserves a seat in the council.

I hope the geth will be recreated as good as possible, and the old geth's sacrifices should be honored with equal rights for all self-aware synthetic life.

That's Beautiful, though I don't think cloning a dead people or rebuilding them will actualy recreate the people or their potential.. You might jsut create a completely different monster. The individuals and their memories are most likely gone if you let the Quarians kill them or use Destroy. (which i'm agaisnt for that very reason)

[shodiswe]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Their alliance with the reapers spoiled a lot. Still, I am very sad to see them go. The geth made the MEU a lot richer. The geth consensus deserves a seat in the council.

I hope the geth will be recreated as good as possible, and the old geth's sacrifices should be honored with equal rights for all self-aware synthetic life.

You know that there won't be; rather, synthetics will be even more suppressed.

If they arn't killed by the Quarians and if they help you in the fight against the reapers and they arn't destroyed by the Destroy pulse.. Then they might have a chance. Though they would likely be politicaly marginalized by the council I Think they would be allowed to exist and do business or whatever seeing as they helped save the galaxy from the Reapers.
But I guess there would still be some distrust.

In my playthrough the Council sent them supplies for the geth corps. (The Geth groundtroops)

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Death to the Geth.

hey and it rhymes.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

You know that there won't be; rather, synthetics will be even more suppressed.

What makes you think so?

shodiswe wrote...


That's Beautiful, though I don't think cloning a dead people or rebuilding them will actualy recreate the people or their potential.. You might jsut create a completely different monster. The individuals and their memories are most likely gone if you let the Quarians kill them or use Destroy. (which i'm agaisnt for that very reason)

I am aware that recreating the geth as they were is not possible. However, I think the galaxy needs a synthetic race that is independant and respected so past mistakes wouldn't be repeated.

Modifié par Argolas, 15 avril 2013 - 09:51 .

[Xilizhra]

What makes you think so?

The geth will be written off as enemies that sided with the Reapers, and hence couldn't be trusted. Synthetics will be even more suppressed if any new ones are built, and the effects of Destroy will be cheered. This will continue until the Morning War happens again, even worse, and the chaos will return, ultimately validating the Catalyst and dooming all organic life in the galaxy.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

What makes you think so?

The geth will be written off as enemies that sided with the Reapers, and hence couldn't be trusted. Synthetics will be even more suppressed if any new ones are built, and the effects of Destroy will be cheered. This will continue until the Morning War happens again, even worse, and the chaos will return, ultimately validating the Catalyst and dooming all organic life in the galaxy.

Headcanon vs. headcanon I guess. My Shepard would not let that happen. The whole galaxy will know that the victory would have been impossible without Edi and at least Legion. If peace was made (not in my playthrough but in many others I suppose) the geth would even have been there to retake earth and will have died for the victory.

I have the hope that Shepard and his/her squad could start a new age for synthetic life. And once synthetics are respected allies, coming generations might consider them as something perfectly normal.

[Xilizhra]

I have the hope that Shepard and his/her squad could start a new age for synthetic life. And once synthetics are respected allies, coming generations might consider them as something perfectly normal.

Right after you murdered every last one? A little bit slow on the draw, champion.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

I have the hope that Shepard and his/her squad could start a new age for synthetic life. And once synthetics are respected allies, coming generations might consider them as something perfectly normal.

Right after you murdered every last one? A little bit slow on the draw, champion.

They will remember.

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I have the hope that Shepard and his/her squad could start a new age for synthetic life. And once synthetics are respected allies, coming generations might consider them as something perfectly normal.

Right after you murdered every last one? A little bit slow on the draw, champion.

They will remember.

But the geth didn't in your playthrough, you just killed them before they even had a chance. In any case, remembrance certainly doesn't do the dead any good.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Clearly the best option is to submit to us the Reapers. After all if you don't let them kill you you will simply be wiped out later by other synthetics.

There can be no question!

[Jukaga]

Simple post-destroy solution to new synthetics: SPECTRE fury is unleashed on anyone developing AI. Full Stop. They are not needed, advanced VIs can handle any technical duty, AIs just are created for the hell of it.

Or become god-Shep and police synthetic/organic relations and set the stage for a consensual, voluntary synthesis sometime in the future.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It's not a good idea.

It's a great idea.

I like this human, he understands!

[S.A.K]

I made peace on Rannoch on all my play throughs but would have destroyed the Geth on Rannoch if they survive the destroy ending. Too much can go wrong with the Geth. I guess Javik had a point.

[remydat]

S.A.K

You had to know sooner or later I would make an appearance.

1.  The Geth allowed the Heretics to go off and fight people hostile to them who thought they should not exist and who tried to exterminate them.  If they had intervened, it is very likely that if the Quarians found at the Geth were engaged in a civilain war they would have rewarded the orthodox Geth for their sacrifice by trying to exterminate them.  In any event, in the peace option, the Geth are now allied with organics.  Let heretics go kill your enemies is entirely different than letting them kill your allies.

2. The rest of the Galaxy said they should not exist.  I don't go looking to hang out with the KKK.  Legion and only Legion was sent because they did not want to incite the organics that didn't think they should exist.  This is stated clearly in the game.  It is kind of silly to complain that they didn't send more as if the organics would respond wel to more Geth in their space.  Also, for all we know the reason why the Organics never attacked and went into Geth space is no ship ever returned from Geth space to give them intel on Geth defenses and positions.  When your stated policy is I should not exist, why should anyone believe you when you claim you come in peace?  As if no one has ever used peace as an excuse to gather intel about an enemy.

3.  The Council denied the Quarians a colony for no reason.  I repeat no reason.  Should the Council be destroyed.  The Geth had reason to fear that with a homeworld the Quarians would attack again.  There is no f**king reason for the Council to be a**holes after their policies help cost the Quarians 2 billion lives and a homeworld and to also let racism against the Quarians aka suit rats to be so prevalent.  I await you starting a thread about how the Council should be destroyed.  Or are you going to tell me about the good things the Council have done for the Quarians that I missed?

4.  The only reason to trust the Reaper code is because Legion has been using it from the time you meet him to save the Quarians.  The only reason the Geth need the RC is because the Quarians would exterminate them otherwise.  The Quarians used dismembered Geth to create a weapon to disable the Geth.  They are not fighting fair.  They don't fight the Geth man to man.  They disable them and then kill them while disabled.  Let's stick the Geth and Quarians in a room, give each a bunch of dead or dying members of the enemy and tell them they can develop weapons using those dead or dying members and see what each comes up with.  That would be a fair fight. 

5. The Citadel Council is corrupt.  Refer to 3 above.  These a**holes have denied the Quarians a planet just to f**k with them and also uplifted a race they knew was not ready, used them as cannon fodder and then subjected them to billions of stillbirths when their existence became problematic.  So guess what, f**k the council.  The Geth have no obligation to listen to those corrupt a**holes and if the Quarians had done the same 300 years ago, they would likely not have lost billions of people.  Here is a suggestion, when the Council consists of members of every race and they are all EQUAL, then maybe talk to the Geth.

Modifié par remydat, 16 avril 2013 - 05:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Destroy ending sadly makes this a moot point to my Shep.

He saved them over the Quarians and then starbrat pretty much went "lol no you wanna take me out they gotta go with."

wasn't much of a choice there.