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[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

1. The reason to trust her is she is an Admiral that just saved your entire race and after doing so gives an order. If you don't know why she gave it then ask. That is kind of the sensible thing to do.

2. And you have no proof they were told to be quiet. Did I miss that somewhere? You are just throwing out speculation.

3. I have a right to morally object to anything I find morally objectionable.

4. Of course there was malice. When you intend to kill something because their existence is problematic, I consider that malicious intent. And sorry, I don't condemn the Quarians to death. In my games I choose peace. I simply consider them more guilty than the Geth.

5. Except this is not true. People have already admitted they would not kill humans so the numbers would be different. Furthermore, if this were real then I think even less people would kill all their loved ones to save Alien races. Give me a break Silver. This is a game. We can say all the crap we want. There is no way the majority of humans are going to kill themselves to save aliens. We have been killing each other for thousands of years because of pigmentation and you think we are going to kill ourselves to save an alien race?

1. Um... WRONG. SHEPARD did that. Tali helped. And you don't have to bring her with you to rescue Koris or stop the geth Server on Rannoch. The ONLY thing Tali has done is help as a squad-mate. She has even openly stated she want's nothing to do with the commanding of ships. And ONCE AGAIN, reputation means JACK SH*T without some form of EXPLINATION or VALID REASONONG. Shepard's reputation for saving the galaxy several times over was WORTHLESS in getting the Alliance to to do anything about the Reapers. So please, DON'T talk about "sensible," because gambleing 17 million lives on "break off your attack" without ANY form of explination whatsoever, is NOT anything that ANY form of SANE person would do, let alone a sensible one.

2. YOU are the one that is throwing out speculation, and AGAIN, you FAILED to find any form of diffinitive counter, correct?
Once again, I point out how NO ONE was aware that a Cerberus Ship was coming or that Shepard was with them. That alone, plus the fact that Rael can have 30+ people stay silent on "the worst war crime in quarian history" with the wave of a hand, doesn't scream "cover-up" to you? Please stop trying to take everything at face-value. The world is not black and white.

3. But you have NO right to interfere, or play judge jury and executioner to an entirely different and alien culture. Especally using a pre-determined creed that doesn't acknowledge their religions and rules and cultural practices.
That's acting like the Catalyst to pass judgement like that. Is that what you want? Because you are basically saying the Reapers are JUSTIFIED in harvesting all those races, simply because those races didn't match their preconceptions? The Reapers have no right to interfere in evolution like God - that's half of why everyone hates them and fights back. No one likes it when someone imposes judgement on them without taking their morals and culture into account. Are you saying you ACCEPTED the Reaper's judgement of you?

4. No, there was NO MALICE. There was panic, and there was fear.
If a person attacked your brother, or endangered him in any way, is your reflexive strike done out of malice, or out of an instinct to protect your family?
So sorry, but AGAIN, you try to judge the quarians with a false standard. When you kill something because it may THREATEN YOUR LOVED ONES, I'd hardly call that malice. I doubt Shepard killed all those batarians at the Alpha Relay out of malice, but of the simple desire to save others from the Reapers.
You have once again completely misunderstood/misjudged the quarians. ONCE AGAIN, the geth are JUST AS GUILTY. There IS NO SUCH THING as a "more guilty" side. That's just an asinine excuse.

5. And have THEY been in that "them or everyone" situation? If people WERE in that situation, you would NOT see any change in the number.  And AGAIN, it's one race verses EVERYTHING ELSE. You yourself should understand, since YOU value the geth more then your brothers anyway.
And if you think that, you SERIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about humans. If it ment saving ALL LIFE EVERYWHERE, I'm pretty sure they would make the choice. Especally since NOT making it would result in the death of humans anyway, so you AREN'T losing anything that could be saved anyway. That's the POINT - would you risk everything for a race that will DIE ANYWAY if you don't pull the trigger?
So YES - people WOULD do so to save everyone else, because if humans were in the position the geth were in ME3, you would be working off the ideal that they would die EITHER WAY, so this way, someone lives.

[remydat]

1. Pretty sure she is on the mission with Shep on Rannoch. She and Shep save them period. And if Gherel needed an explanation then he should have asked for one. Simple.

2. I said they were aware of Shep being with Cerberus because Tali and her crew know it. There is no proof they withheld that information from anyone. If you want to believe they did hide it then so be it. Not sure why you expect me to believe something not stated in the game just because you do.

3. Look dude, if I have the ability to stop people for killing someone because of stupid cultural rules I will, plain and simple.

4., But the Geth did not attack my brother. They committed no crime so killing them out of panic and fear for something they did not do is malice in my book. Sorry. And yes there is such a thing as a more guilty side. The law makes such determinations every day.

5. Lol, if you think humans would pick Destroy and kill themselves to save aliens if this were real then more power to you. I think most would pick Synthesis or Control. Sorry, I am not killing my mom, dad, siblings and everyone I care about when I have two options not to.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

1. Pretty sure she is on the mission with Shep on Rannoch. She and Shep save them period. And if Gherel needed an explanation then he should have asked for one. Simple.

2. I said they were aware of Shep being with Cerberus because Tali and her crew know it. There is no proof they withheld that information from anyone. If you want to believe they did hide it then so be it. Not sure why you expect me to believe something not stated in the game just because you do.

3. Look dude, if I have the ability to stop people for killing someone because of stupid cultural rules I will, plain and simple.

4., But the Geth did not attack my brother. They committed no crime so killing them out of panic and fear for something they did not do is malice in my book. Sorry. And yes there is such a thing as a more guilty side. The law makes such determinations every day.

5. Lol, if you think humans would pick Destroy and kill themselves to save aliens if this were real then more power to you. I think most would pick Synthesis or Control. Sorry, I am not killing my mom, dad, siblings and everyone I care about when I have two options not to.

1. Not to save Koris. OR to disable the Geth Server. Those are optional. Sorry, but SHEPARD saved them "period." Tali helped. And if Tali isn't able to take charge just in squad missions (she HERSELF says that being an Admiral is a "formality" and that she's mostly an overglorified advisor, and preferrs being in the field). And after suggesting negotiation with Legion as her source (who is onboard Normandy now), her views could be considered "collored" by a possibly dishonest source. She's "too trusting." SHEPARD is the one that saved everyone. PERIOD.
And ONCE AGAIN, you blatently ignore the simple fact that Tali did NOT give an explination or reason to her order. Shepard DOES.

2. And AGAIN, I explained that ONLY THREE PEOPLE know, and they can easily be silenced by direct orders. And the fact that (A) they DO NOT expect the Normandy, since they ask for verifacation - something you DON'T ask an easily-reconizable ship for if you are expecting it, and ( Tali had NO plans to originally have Shepard involved in the trial, as she was completely unaware that her ship name had been stripped, and that Shepard would have had to represent her. So NO, the quarians DID NOT expect a  Cerberus Ship. And Raan ordering Kar'Donna to withhold information about Tali's ship name and father, AND Rael withholding the existance of experiments that are the worst war crime in quarian history are PHYSICAL PROOF that they have done this before. When there is PHYSICAL PROOF of hiding information, and you see these people CLEARLY SURPRISED to see Cerberus here, YOU end up being the one ignoring what IS in the game. As usual.

3. No, you WON'T, because these are THEIR laws and THEIR right to conduct themselves, and by interfereing in their laws, you make yourself punsihable to THEIR LAWS. Not so "plain and simple" now, huh?
You as a person have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to interfere in their laws and culture. It's THEIR laws, THEIR culture, THEIR people, and THEIR base rights as living beings to decide how and why they conduct themselves. You have NO RIGHT to interfere at all in an alien belief system, cultural law, and judging standards. It makes you a racist, "dude."  Even your precious geth would disavow your judgement as biased, thanks to your benign antropomorhism.
Their laws, their morals, their culture. NOT YOURS. You do NOT posess the right to pass your single culture's laws as the devine laws of all life. YOU are NOT God. You do not posess the devine right to mutigate another culture's judgement with alien laws. The right you have to interfere in their laws and culture is absolutly ZERO.
"Plain and simple."

4. But it's STILL a gun. It's very nature is to wage war because that's what it was BUILT for. You are STILL putting your brother's life at risk by letting the problem potentally fester. Is he worth that LITTLE to you? Are your personal creeds so valuble that they are worth risking his life in a gamble?
It's in their NATURE to wage war, because it's what the quarians built them for. Look at the Krogan Rebellions. The salarians intended the krogan to wage war, so that's all they tought them. In spite of their warnings to the Council, the Council still tried to ignore their nature and pacify them. Which failed spectactularly.
Now you have a similar situation - a developing race, not intended to be anything more then laborors and warriors - approching power, and you expect the quarians to turn away from the problem, and figure the geth aren't going to act on their NATURE as war machines? That they won't try to surpass them now that they have the power. And that the Council will make their lives hell for the geth's rise even occuring?
Between tossing the gun, letting the problem fester until it viloently reacted  and shot your brother DEAD, or having the higher government (Council) come in and forcably confincate the gun and put your people unde martial law, possibly TAKING your brother away anyway - WHICH would you choose.
Hint Hint - anyone that GIVES a damn about their brother will likely pick the first option out of instinct. Their familes are worth more to them then a gun that started asking questions. It's not worth a potentally malefunctioning gun, and certenly not worth potentally starting a mess with the Council over.
And ONCE AGAIN, you try to impose YOUR OWN STANDARDS on ALIEN races. Once again, according to the geth, that is racial judgement, and biased.
Any unbiased person would know that there IS NO SUCH THING as a "more guilty" side in this war. For EVERY action the quarians did wrong, there is an EQUAL action the GETH did that was EQUALLY wrong. ONCE AGAIN, you CANNOT bring YOUR laws into this. You have to judge each by THEIR OWN STANDARDS .

5. And if they die EITHER WAY? If there IS no way TO save them? If it's either THEY die or EVERYONE else dies?
THEN WHAT??
"Sorry", but if you are SLELFISH enough to sacrifice  the entire galaxy for people that will DIE ANYWAY, what THEN? What happens when the other two AREN'T an option? Because that's what the ENTIRE POINT of this thread WAS - if there WAS NO OTHER OPTION BESIDES DESTROY, would you do it? Do NOT bring the other choices into this, because the entire scenerio is if they AREN'T avalible. (not surprising that you AGAIN glanced over the point)
Because I'm damn sure that faced with either complete death or partial death, people would elect to not drag the entire galaxy down with their people. I really don't think people are as self-centered as you, or as you make them out to be.