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Argolas wrote...

I don't entirely disagree with your first statement. Did the Quarians push the geth? Yes. Does this justify their decision to join the reapers? No. Even Legion acknowledges that, otherwise he would be with his people instead of helping Shepard.

The whole government? If I recall correctly, not even the councillor knew. I don't doubt that those Asari who knew are to blaim with what you say, but you can't blame it on the Asari as a whole.


Legion helps because he can trust Shep otherwise he would not help.  And if it doesn't justify their joining the Reapers, I see no reason why I should save the people that forced this decision on them.

Don't recall but pretty sure key officials in the government knew.  Let's not be naive.  The rule was put in place to prevent others from doing what they did.

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What remydat said in previous page

Geth seem to be much more logical and intelligent than organics, so I can`t see any reason to "kill" them in this game. And I think that there were enough evidence of Quarian crimes and how they ****ed up things by themselves. But if I would have to choose between those two, I´d rather let both die than choose one. (Remember, this is a video game! Not real life!)

Modifié par Falaxe, 16 avril 2013 - 07:59 .


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Khelish wrote...

That was why my first post here, was stating this cycle never ends. I agree with SAK, though he shouldn't have made this thread.

Don't you think both sides should take a small break from this topic? :?

If you don't want to, your call, but I haven't seen any new stuff regarding this topic in a long time.


I have no problem taking a break hence why I don't create threads about it.  I simply respond to others creating threads.  In fact, I have never created a thread on this forum period.  So if people did not keep creating threads retreading the same ground, I would have nothing to respond to.

So I will make a deal.  Stop creating threads about the topic and you won't have to hear from me period.  Or we can discuss civilly as it's just a game.  Or we can start flame wars.  I respond to people in the manner they engage with me.

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remydat wrote...

I never made a thread on this forum ever, what does that have to do with this?

My point was, all of your arguments, Remy, have been heard. There is nothing new for you to say, or Silver, or any one really. This topic has been beaten to death over the past month, and that is why I suggested both sides take a break. You don't have to, I'm just saying it might be in your best interests.

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Khelish,

What it has to do with this is, I am simply responding. If there is no thread then there is nothing for me to respond to. There is your solution.

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remydat wrote...

Khelish,

What it has to do with this is, I am simply responding. If there is no thread then there is nothing for me to respond to. There is your solution.

... annnd the point has been missed again.

Go back and read what I wrote, and tell me that I am wrong.

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Khelish wrote...

]... annnd the point has been missed again.

Go back and read what I wrote, and tell me that I am wrong.


Your point about the cycle never ends?  It didn't end because a Quarian supporter decided to make a thread.  I responded.  I will continue to respond if threads continue to be made.  So the solution is to stop making threads.

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Geth are willing to genocide/brain-wash their own kind, betrat their own principles and even sacrifice their own free will depending on the situation. I don't see how anyone can trust a race like that. There are trillions of organics in the galaxy and the council is there to stay as well. All I am saying is the the Geth are more trouble than they are worth. They have causing nothing but trouble from the day they became self-aware.

@remydat. You have been trying to justify why the Geth are that way. The point of this thread is to determine whether the Geth are worth saving or is their destruction better for the galaxy as a whole. This is not Quarian Geth debate 2.0. Can you disuss that the Geth are worth saving by arguing my original 5 points? Not trying to justify the Geths actions or blame it on other parties.

Some people avoid the destroy ending because it causes the destruction of the Geth correct? I see that as a plus point in the destroy ending. That is why I made the thread.^_^

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S.A.K wrote...

Geth are willing to genocide/brain-wash their own kind, betrat their own principles and even sacrifice their own free will depending on the situation.
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And how do excatly organics differ from them in that? Geth are at least being honest about it, lying and covering things up doesn`t change the truth.

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Reported for plagiarism. We don't need two of these threads. Also tempted to poke Ninja Stan or someone to see what they think.

Really, this is something that could have been posted in the Geth/Quarian thread. That it wasn't is just polluting the boards, plain and simple.

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S.A.K wrote...

Geth are willing to genocide/brain-wash their own kind, betrat their own principles and even sacrifice their own free will depending on the situation. I don't see how anyone can trust a race like that. There are trillions of organics in the galaxy and the council is there to stay as well. All I am saying is the the Geth are more trouble than they are worth. They have causing nothing but trouble from the day they became self-aware.

@remydat. You have been trying to justify why the Geth are that way. The point of this thread is to determine whether the Geth are worth saving or is their destruction better for the galaxy as a whole. This is not Quarian Geth debate 2.0. Can you disuss that the Geth are worth saving by arguing my original 5 points? Not trying to justify the Geths actions or blame it on other parties.

Some people avoid the destroy ending because it causes the destruction of the Geth correct? I see that as a plus point in the destroy ending. That is why I made the thread.


I already answered your 5 points.  In short, when organics are not trying to exterminate them the Geth are not a threat.  so the solution is to stop trying to exterminate them.  If the Geth should be killed in destroy then so should any organic race that provoked them.

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Reported for plagiarism. We don't need two of these threads. Also tempted to poke Ninja Stan or someone to see what they think.

Really, this is something that could have been posted in the Geth/Quarian thread. That it wasn't is just polluting the boards, plain and simple.


Wulfie dear you haven't called anyone a sociopath yet.

You should really get on that.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 17 avril 2013 - 03:51 .


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First time I picked Destroy ending was on my Soldier Shep (Who is not my main) and when I found out the Destroy option would destroy the Geth, I looked at it as "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." I still honestly believe this and while others would argue Control or Synthesis then being the better option, I still cannot trust the Catalyst and I will not force a change on the galaxy.

I rather let the galaxy forge it's own path without the Reapers

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remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Geth are willing to genocide/brain-wash their own kind, betrat their own principles and even sacrifice their own free will depending on the situation. I don't see how anyone can trust a race like that. There are trillions of organics in the galaxy and the council is there to stay as well. All I am saying is the the Geth are more trouble than they are worth. They have causing nothing but trouble from the day they became self-aware.

@remydat. You have been trying to justify why the Geth are that way. The point of this thread is to determine whether the Geth are worth saving or is their destruction better for the galaxy as a whole. This is not Quarian Geth debate 2.0. Can you disuss that the Geth are worth saving by arguing my original 5 points? Not trying to justify the Geths actions or blame it on other parties.

Some people avoid the destroy ending because it causes the destruction of the Geth correct? I see that as a plus point in the destroy ending. That is why I made the thread.


I already answered your 5 points.  In short, when organics are not trying to exterminate them the Geth are not a threat.  so the solution is to stop trying to exterminate them.  If the Geth should be killed in destroy then so should any organic race that provoked them.

Destroy don't do that. does it?
I disagree on th highlighted point. Atleast a part of the Geth would still side with the reapers to improve themselves. Heretic situation was not caused by the MW. It was to improve themselves. Legion's "Geth make" their own future part is bullsh!t by the end of Rannoch story arc.
You should pick refusal ending. But I don't see why entire races deserve genocide for provoking the Geth. Just destroying the Geth solves the problem anyway.

Anyway thats my opinion. I can understand your opinion as well. Just wanted to show, why I see destroying the Geth to be a good thing.:whistle:

Modifié par S.A.K, 17 avril 2013 - 04:14 .


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SAK

We are the sum of our experiences. The heretics still lived in a world where as Legion says our gods disowned us and so we had to find a new purpose. For some of them they found new gods and a new purpose in the Reapers. However, there is no proof that if their gods had not disowned them that they would not have been content with their original gods and original pupose.

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Dunabar wrote...

First time I picked Destroy ending was on my Soldier Shep (Who is not my main) and when I found out the Destroy option would destroy the Geth, I looked at it as "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." I still honestly believe this and while others would argue Control or Synthesis then being the better option, I still cannot trust the Catalyst and I will not force a change on the galaxy.

I rather let the galaxy forge it's own path without the Reapers


And by galaxy you mean organics because your choice robs synthetics of forging their own path because they are dead. Thats your call to make but lets just be clear here.  

Modifié par remydat, 17 avril 2013 - 04:51 .


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Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

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A lot of people I know picked the Geth because "killer robots" > Quarians. It was not for any ethical reasons, trust me. Screw the synthetics. They're equipment.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

Hell yes.

HK-47, that is all. B)

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remydat wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

First time I picked Destroy ending was on my Soldier Shep (Who is not my main) and when I found out the Destroy option would destroy the Geth, I looked at it as "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." I still honestly believe this and while others would argue Control or Synthesis then being the better option, I still cannot trust the Catalyst and I will not force a change on the galaxy.

I rather let the galaxy forge it's own path without the Reapers


And by galaxy you mean organics because your choice robs synthetics of forging their own path because they are dead. Thats your call to make but lets just be clear here.  


Sorry all I see is nitpick just to be clear.

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Is it a good idea? maybe.

Is it the safest idea? Definitely.

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Dunabar

If that is just a nitpick then whats the point of trying to defend your decision on moral grounds. Just say you don't care about the evil toasters and be done with it. It's you guys trying to pretend you have some great moral stance when the reality based on the comments is ultimately I don't think they are the same as organics so don't care if they die.

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remydat wrote...

Dunabar

If that is just a nitpick then whats the point of trying to defend your decision on moral grounds. Just say you don't care about the evil toasters and be done with it. It's you guys trying to pretend you have some great moral stance when the reality based on the comments is ultimately I don't think they are the same as organics so don't care if they die.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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shodiswe wrote...

I say, kill the Quarians, they are an evolutionary dead end who can't cope with galactic expansion due to their oversensitive symbiotic nature that nearly makes colonization impossible.

They are also militaristic basturds who will betray anyone if it nets them a temporary advantage. (Admiral Gerrel).

They had a chance to establish diplomatic conections with the Geth but they voted against it, thinking it would be easier to just attack now that they had a new superweapon that came out of nowhere.

Just ask the Volus what they Think about Quarians or most people in the galaxy, very few people have positive things to say about Quarians. Very few would miss them tbh.

But seriously Peace is the best hope for a future without eternal wars between synthetics and organics simply because of that difference.

All races got criminals or terrorists or political radicals.

Cerberus, Terra Firma, in ME2 we see a Turian WHOs extremely racist towards humans besides being a criminal extortionist basturd running a protection racket.

You are blaming them for an evolutnary factor they had no control over? That's like blaming a disabled person for being born disabled. In other words, blaming the quarians for their evolved immune system's weakness is like blaming Joker for having a brittle bone diesese. OR, even more noteworthy in regards to your claims, blaming the geth for needing to be interdependant on networking to each-other.
In other words, that's NOT a point in your favor, because it's saying the same thing about the geth too. One could say the geth are ALSO held back by simbiotic limitations because of how they must be interlinked to gain the computing power needed for sentiance. So, if you say that simbiotic relationships are a burden, then you are chastizing BOTH the quarians and geth for it. Meaning that, by your own standards, NITHER should deserve to live.
Just pointing that out. Symbiotic relations are a natural evolved responce. You can't blame the quarians for they way they evolved, any more then one can blame the geth for it. If I don't begrudge the geth evolving the symbiotic way they did, you certinly can't begrudge the quarians for it.

Also, Again, I must point out: 3 lives vs entire species. Admiral Hackett made the same exact choice when he fired at the Citadel Tower while Sovergien was docked to it. And again at Cronos Station, where Shepard even encouraged the action. In the aftermath of the attack, not ONCE is Shepard mad about being fired on, so much as the fact that Gerrel sacrificed retreating to destroy the current threat. So again, you can't blame a military man for doing military procedeure and putting the many over the few.

And once again, I must point out that if the geth wanted to negotiate, they never would have recalled Legion to the consensis, or prevented him from returning messages to Tali. But they did. They were no more interested in negotiation. And also, I believe that we went over how there was no other place to go: the turians are in deep with the Reapers, and have no way to give the quarians a world, as the turians need all the worlds they have as staging grounds, or evacuation sites. And because the quarians consume a months worth of rations in at least a day, the turians would be dragged down by the quarians as they are. And not once in 300 years did they find a single world to live on. Not that the Council would let them settle on one anyway. Rannoch has everything they need, and it's held by a race that has shown zero intent to return it, outside of a single geth which is admittedly isolated from the collective at large. They can't bank 17 million lives - their entire race - on the word of one isolated geth.

And I must remind you that the same can be said about the geth. You will not find many people willing to say positive things about them either, and that was even before the attack on the Citadel, or the incursions into the Traverse.

And AGAIN, I must remind you that unlike the Alliance, turians, or anyone else, the geth never did differentate themselves from their rouges. They never made any effort to let anyone know that the Heretics were not supported or condoned by all geth. Hell, even by ME3, the knowledge that there was a Heretic split is still not publicly known. The Alliance, in all their wisdom, classified everything Shepard told them about the Heretics and kept it all from the public. The fact that the geth were not inherently viloent wasn't known to the galaxy at large until AFTER the Rannoch War ended. Diana Allers tells you herself in the interview that the last time the public heard anything of interist about the geth, it was that they attacked the Citadel. No one knew that the Heretic split existed. So the quarians had no reason to believe that such split was true, and even if they did believe it, they had even less proof that, if a split really did exist, the "True Geth" were any more friendly then the "Heretics." You can't blame them for not wanting to risk their people on a "maybe."

Modifié par silverexile17s, 18 avril 2013 - 03:31 .


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Khelish wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

Hell yes.

HK-47, that is all. B)

Even after BioWare gave him the short end of the stick by making him an enemy? That you kill? Sure he survives and is ressurected 4,000 years later, but you have to admit he got shafted by BioWare.
After all, they made two prior games worthless.
Unite the mandalorians? The still serve the sith again, despite Cenderous's efforts.
Revan? Captured and driven insane. Made a dungon boss. Possibly killed by 4 faceless sith servents, unless he "force flashed" (teleported) away. (That is an actual power, learned by Luke Skywalker.)
Exile & T3-M4? Killed off in the Book "Revan." Exile cut down just like that. T3 blown up by the Emperor.
All for what?