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silverexile17s wrote...

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Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

Hell yes.

HK-47, that is all. B)

Even after BioWare gave him the short end of the stick by making him an enemy? That you kill? Sure he survives and is ressurected 4,000 years later, but you have to admit he got shafted by BioWare.
After all, they made two prior games worthless.
Unite the mandalorians? The still serve the sith again, despite Cenderous's efforts.
Revan? Captured and driven insane. Made a dungon boss. Possibly killed by 4 faceless sith servents, unless he "force flashed" (teleported) away. (That is an actual power, learned by Luke Skywalker.)
Exile & T3-M4? Killed off in the Book "Revan." Exile cut down just like that. T3 blown up by the Emperor.
All for what?


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And that, is why I won't play TOR. ;)

Knights of The Old Republic I and II only, still waiting for a III, though it's only a dream. :innocent:

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Can someone explain to me how people remy came up with only 2 billion for the quarians? It is merely an arm wave number and I think it is quite low. I figure it was something around 9 billion at the height of their civilization. They held more than just Rannoch. If you look at the populations of the main worlds for the major races they range from 3 billion (Krogan) to 15 billion (Batarian).

If the authorities had acted quicker originally 300 years earlier the Morning War never would have happened, but the politicians played games, and allowed the Geth time to form a consensus, and gain the upper hand. Now the Quarians finally had the upper hand to take back their world and they're wrong for doing that. I don't get it.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Then when your common enemy is gone, what then? Are you still friends? Not necessarily. Look at America and the USSR during WWII. Friends. Post war: enemies. Why? Different ideologies. So will the Geth help the Quarians for now, but later not feel the same? Will the Quarians accept their help for now, but not feel the same later? Is this a temporary peace? We don't know.

And up until ME3 the Geth as far as we knew were sticking humans on spikes and turning them into husks. We didn't know if it was reaper tech or geth tech. In ME2 "these husks look different. More evolved than the ones we saw on Eden Prime." So those were reaper husks. I guess the ones we saw on Eden Prime were Geth tech. Oh, yes, heretics. They all look alike to me.

Regarding the Asari losing Thessia. They didn't lose Thessia because of that beacon. They would have lost Thessia anyway. Their fleet was doing a good job at delaying the reapers and was dealing them some pretty heavy losses. The reapers had been engaging the Asari in space, but changed their tactics and landed on Thessia. Humans lost Earth. The Turians lost Palaven, and didn't have that "miracle" until they got the Krogan. The Salarians just hid. Fighting a sustained ground war? They lost 400,000,000. How could that beacon have helped?

What if the Turians had that knowledge during the First Contact War? It would have shifted the balance of power from the Asari holding the middle ground to the Turians. There might never have been an Earth Alliance. Earth might have ended up as part of the Turian empire, or the Batarian Hegemony might have seen an opportunity to expand. It's a two edged sword.

Remember what Javik said about the Normandy. He could tell you exactly where everything was on the ship because it was designed exactly like the ships in his cycle. I don't think anyone could hold out in a sustained ground war. The Protheans couldn't either.

Every race has their secrets. If anyone thinks for one minute that the other council races weren't holding back secrets from the others they're naive. The Salarians probably have a beacon hidden that holds all of the Prothean genetic information on the galaxy. You don't think they became genetic experts on their own, do you? But I guess they're just smart in that area. They're performing the same experiments as the Protheans.

Well, to answer your question, in the book Mass Effect: Revelation, it's stated that the current quarian population is less then 1% of their original number. Say, 0.75 - 0.80%. That means the original species must have numbered at least 2 billion.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

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Argolas,

As a direct result of the Quarians.

As a direct result of their own action as well. As I explained before, without the Geths stupid isolation policy, Quarians wouldn't need to attack the Geth.
Worst thing the Quarians did was giving life to a stupid synthatic race...

Argolas wrote...

I don't entirely disagree with your first
statement. Did the Quarians push the geth? Yes. Does this justify their
decision to join the reapers? No. Even Legion acknowledges that,
otherwise he would be with his people instead of helping Shepard.

I agree with this as well.


actually, nature did that, as neither Quarians nor Human 'gave life' to any synthetics. Even the Leviathan, as the intelligence "became" self aware all on their lonesome.

Life is spontaneous.


It's funny how folks puts value judgment upon geth, but then do the same thing with the destroy choice... weird.Image IPB

Actually, that's not true. The Catalyst was designed as an A.I. A shackled one, like EDI. But the fact that it's cretaors were part of the "problem" was an unforseen loophole in the shackling.
The geth were NOT intended to be A.I.s. And again, the geth pass judgement on the quarians in their ending, where they destroy the liveships when they already demonstrated they were advanced enough to avoid doing so.
In regards to the Destroy ending, it's one race vs every other. The standard wouldn't change if the race in question were organic either- people who picked Destroy would STILL pick Destroy if any other race was up on the chopping block, because it saves every other race.
Not my personal preferance, but it's how people would do it if faced with the choice.

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Auld Wulf wrote...

Reported for plagiarism. We don't need two of these threads. Also tempted to poke Ninja Stan or someone to see what they think.

Really, this is something that could have been posted in the Geth/Quarian thread. That it wasn't is just polluting the boards, plain and simple.

The other thread is dead. So since that one is defunct, your arguement isn't needed.
...Are you trying to troll S.A.K.?

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Well, the example goes for all lifeforms. For example, S.A.K, Julia, if Destroy was the only option available, you would likely choose it regardless of who was on the chopping block, because it's one race vs every other race in the galaxy, right?
If the krogan were on the block, or the quarians, or the turians, or any other race, I doubt the people that picked Destroy would hesitate either. The geth are living beings with equal rights, sure. But that means that killing them wouldn't constitute racicim, as one would make the same choice even if an organic race was at risk instead.

But, just in case....
By a show of hands, how many would pick Destroy if an organic race was the one on the chopping block? Because the point is, killing the geth isn't a racist choice in Destroy, because I think that alot would sacrifice one race regardless of it being organic or synthetic, as long as it saved all the other races out there and killed the Reapers.
Not that I condone Genocide to ensure genocide on another race (although, many can argue that killing Reapers is a mercy killing to the many minds inside them), but I'm just stating that there are people that can, will, and have already done so in-game.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 18 avril 2013 - 01:40 .


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silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Reported for plagiarism. We don't need two of these threads. Also tempted to poke Ninja Stan or someone to see what they think.

Really, this is something that could have been posted in the Geth/Quarian thread. That it wasn't is just polluting the boards, plain and simple.

The other thread is dead. So since that one is defunct, your arguement isn't needed.
...Are you trying to troll S.A.K.?

Nope. Not trolling at all.

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S.A.K wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Reported for plagiarism. We don't need two of these threads. Also tempted to poke Ninja Stan or someone to see what they think.

Really, this is something that could have been posted in the Geth/Quarian thread. That it wasn't is just polluting the boards, plain and simple.

The other thread is dead. So since that one is defunct, your arguement isn't needed.
...Are you trying to troll S.A.K.?

Nope. Not trolling at all.

I meant was Alud trolling you?

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^Well, that guy is always trolling...

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Khelish wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Khelish wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

Hell yes.

HK-47, that is all. B)

Even after BioWare gave him the short end of the stick by making him an enemy? That you kill? Sure he survives and is ressurected 4,000 years later, but you have to admit he got shafted by BioWare.
After all, they made two prior games worthless.
Unite the mandalorians? The still serve the sith again, despite Cenderous's efforts.
Revan? Captured and driven insane. Made a dungon boss. Possibly killed by 4 faceless sith servents, unless he "force flashed" (teleported) away. (That is an actual power, learned by Luke Skywalker.)
Exile & T3-M4? Killed off in the Book "Revan." Exile cut down just like that. T3 blown up by the Emperor.
All for what?


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And that, is why I won't play TOR. ;)

Knights of The Old Republic I and II only, still waiting for a III, though it's only a dream. :innocent:

Some guys are trying to mod a sequal.
There was a third game in the works, and just about to go into production, but it was canceled when LucasArts hit the rough patch in 2007 or so.
Disney hasn't shown much promise either. They've put "Star Wars: 1313" - the game Boba Fett was revealed to be the main Player Character for - in development limbo by disolving LucasArt's gaming division. And have canceled "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" so that they can make their own disney-licenced spin-off of the series.

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Khelish wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Khelish wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Meh screw the synthetics! Star Wars had better robots anyway.

Hell yes.

HK-47, that is all. B)

Even after BioWare gave him the short end of the stick by making him an enemy? That you kill? Sure he survives and is ressurected 4,000 years later, but you have to admit he got shafted by BioWare.
After all, they made two prior games worthless.
Unite the mandalorians? The still serve the sith again, despite Cenderous's efforts.
Revan? Captured and driven insane. Made a dungon boss. Possibly killed by 4 faceless sith servents, unless he "force flashed" (teleported) away. (That is an actual power, learned by Luke Skywalker.)
Exile & T3-M4? Killed off in the Book "Revan." Exile cut down just like that. T3 blown up by the Emperor.
All for what?


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And that, is why I won't play TOR. ;)

Knights of The Old Republic I and II only, still waiting for a III, though it's only a dream. :innocent:


Well, looks like somebody in Bioware really hates KOTOR 1&2, which were better than prequels. I've heard about Revan, but they even killed HK-47 and T3-M4, really? 

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Star fury wrote...

Well, looks like somebody in Bioware really hates KOTOR 1&2, which were better than prequels. I've heard about Revan, but they even killed HK-47 and T3-M4, really? 

Yeah, I had no clue until Silver said that. :unsure:

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Khelish wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Well, looks like somebody in Bioware really hates KOTOR 1&2, which were better than prequels. I've heard about Revan, but they even killed HK-47 and T3-M4, really? 

Yeah, I had no clue until Silver said that. :unsure:

Yeah. The book tells us that the Exile (who is given a cannonical name: Meetra Surik, and a cannon appearance, as light-skinned with short-cropped black hair. Even her Lightsaber is cannonized: single-blade with Cyan (crystal blue-white) collored blade) finds Revan, and that T3-M4 followed with her on the Ebon Hawk, which crashes on the sith world where Revan was captured and is abandoned there (yes. THAT"S the fate of the Ebon Hawk.)
Long story short, they rescue Revan.
And then the biggest slap in the face for KOTOR fans.
Behold... Revan unmasked.
images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6b/RevanTOR001.jpg

That's right. THIS is his cannon face.
After that, The Exile returns Revan's mask (not sure how she got it), and meet Lord Scourge, the Emperor's Wrath, who realizes that his master's plans endanger everyone, sith included, and the four of them take on the Emperor himself. The Emperor pretty much fights them all single-handed. The only one that actually does any real damage is, ironicly, T3-M4, who burns the Emperor with a flamethrower that he barely deflects because he couldn't sense the droid in the force. The Emperor, angry, kills T3 on the spot with a blast of lighting that completely incenerates the poor droid and blows him to burned peices. Scourge then has a sudden vision in the heat of battle: Revan and the Exile are basically destined to fail, and another jedi - one who's strength will equal Revan himself - will arise who is destined defeat the Emperor - the Jedi Knight character you play in the MMO. Seeing this, Scourge decides he must surviuve to pass on the secrets of how to fight the Emperor to this future jedi, and betrays the group, stabbing the Exile through the back and cutting her in half. (A death more insulting then the on-screen "death" of Boba Fett. Killing the main character of an entire game in a f***ing book? And so flippantly?) Scourge is given a reward - a massive amount of  pure force energy that lengthens his natural life-span imeasuribly. The Emperor then captures the weakened, dispondant Revan and chains him up, using the force to keep Revan in a force-induced limbo, preventing him from ageing and linking his mind to Revan, hoping to corrupt him.

300 years of this deathless, ageless imprisonment and existance eventually drives Revan loony. Not knowing this,  the Republic breaks him out, with a strike team consisting of the Hero of Tython (the Jedi Knight character), the Commander of the Republic's elite Havoc Squadron (The Trooper character), a Jedi Master and Council Member, (The Jedi Councilor character), and the smuggler legand "Voidhound" (The Smuggler character). They freed Revan from imprisonment, killing Grand Moff Kilran in the process. Revan then meets with the Jedi Council, and Satele Shan, who is revealed to be Revan's decendant because he'd married Bastila, and Bastila was pregnant when he left her all those years ago to get himself captured in a vain attempt to end things before it began. (akward family reunion, indeed, and it happens off-screan) In the meeting, he tells them everything he knows about the Emperor before leaving on his own to some other location.

Turns out Revan had a secret "Foundry" he created from the Star Forge, and that there was more then one - the Star Forge in the original game was the first one, but others were created. The Foundry is one of them, and is manned by HK-47, who waited all this time. Revan has reverted back to his ruthless "Darth Revan" persona from all the years of mental torment, and plans to use his "Eradicator droids" to wipe out all beings with any trace of sith blood in them - which is 95% of the entire empire/ genocide of billions. Revan has declared that this is acceptible to stop the Emperor. The sith send a Strike Team of their best, one of which is the Dark Council Member Lord Kalig (The Sith Inquisitor character), and another is the New Emperor's Wrath (the Sith Warrior character), who replaced Scourge when he defects to the Jedi after finally meeting the Knight he saw in his vision so long ago. The other members are a Mandalorian Champion called the "Hearld of Mandalore" (The Bounty Hunter character), and finally, Imperial Intelligence Agent: Cipher 9, arguibly the best Imperal Agent in the galaxy (The Imperial Agent character) .
The strike team Meet HK-47, and fight him in the core of the station, eventually destroying him, and recovering his body. The fight destroys HK's memory core, obliterating a majority of his memories (wheather or not he ever recovers all his memories is unknown). When the team get to the command center, they find Revan has gone completely insane, claiming that he has been "reborn" and has "found redemption," and that only he has "been both jedi and sith and found clarity in the Force. Only I undertsand him, and his death is my responcibility." He then goes on a rant telling them to "turn and run."

After a lengthy fight, the team sevearly injures Revan. Cornered and beaten, he mutters these words:
"And in the end... as the darkness takes me..... I am nothing.  Now I know how you felt... my friend."
With those words, Revan's body begins leaking energy, and then, Revan practally explodes in a burst of energy and lighting, vanishing completely and without a trace. However, the Wrath and Lord Kalig say that all trace of Revan has vanished from the Force, and they declare him dead.
They turn over the Foundry to Darth Malgus, who is pleased as can be that Revan has seemingly met his end at last, and that "his stroy is finally closed."

HK is recovered and reprogramed by Malgus. When Malgus betrays the Empire and tries to become a new Emperor, HK is killed AGAIN by Republic and Sith forces attacking the "False Emperor."

HK is not seen again until 3,700 years later, in the time of Palpatine's Galactic Empire during the course of the (sadily) now-defunct MMO "Star Wars: Galaxies." A group of spacers discover his memory core in a crashed Old Republic ship on Mustafar, and reactivate him. HK takes over an old Sepertist base, rebuilds his body, and readies an army to hunt down whoever it was that took his schematics to build an army (the geonosians) and make them pay for stringing him up in the old ship's core, and for trying to memory wipe him, since the wipe failed because of his incredibly complex, likely Star Forge tech-based memory matrix (possibly the reason why HK is somehow always able to remember his experances no matter how badly he get's torn up). They fight him and his army of droids, and HK dies AGAIN. However, HK has learned from past failures, and has a redundancy system to prevent his death this time. After the spacers leave, HK sends them a mocking message to let them know he survived. Also, he reveals that in the time they took to get to their ship, he'd reactivated, beat them to the landing pad, broke into their ship, and was long gone after leaving them a presant - a gift for "impressing" him with their fighting skills. In a sarcastic motion, the gift he left is revealed to be a decerative hologram of himself, with a plaque at the base engraved with only one word: "Meatbag."

That's all the details. Only HK-47 survived the events before, of, and after the Old Republic. All other characters from the game are gone. Revan is technically "dead."
BUT, after leaving BioWare, writer Drew Karpyshyn said he "left the door open enough for him to return, if anyone decides to bring him back later on." This hints that Revan may come back later in the story, if fan demand is high enough, or if BioWare decides it's prudant to revive the character, as LucasArts did for Darth Maul. "Anything's possible" he said.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 18 avril 2013 - 07:24 .


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HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Every galactic species is pathetic in their own special way. They don't have to die for it. =]



Now we all deserve to die
Even you, Mrs. Lovett, even I.
Because the lives of the wicked should be made brief
For the rest of us death will be a relief
We all deserve to die.

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Oh great, you again.

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KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh great, you again.


I love you too. With all my heart.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh great, you again.


I love you too. With all my heart.


Get over here, you sexy fowl.

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KiwiQuiche wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh great, you again.


I love you too. With all my heart.


Get over here, you sexy fowl.


MMMMH.

Let me get the lock to the hen house.

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I can't stand the way the writers tied the Reapers fate with the Synthetics.

"Don't agree with the Starbrat's logic and the inevitable tech sing/synthesis and wanna remove the Reapers from the equation? LOL, then the Geth die too."

Master trolling.

And no, OP destroying the Geth is not a good idea (imo).

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Taboo-XX wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh great, you again.


I love you too. With all my heart.


Get over here, you sexy fowl.


MMMMH.

Let me get the lock to the hen house.


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No, it's not, but there are not better options than Destroy in the end. Next ?

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Kill the Geth.

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I paid attention to everything Legion told me in ME2. So when I saw what he was telling me in ME3 (and what he was deliberately trying to hide), it was clear the Geth had to go.

The Quarians made a mistake. I allowed them to rectify that mistake.

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I like how Geth supporters choose to ignore facts and use Head cannon to defend the Geth.

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I won't enact genocide on a bunch of maybes.

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Cyrax86 wrote...

I like how Geth supporters choose to ignore facts and use Head cannon to defend the Geth.


Yeah because that's not a totally sweeping generalization or anything.

Nope.

Also it's canon. (Like the camera)

Though my Shep would've used some hand cannons if he had some. Alas just had the Tempest and the Paladin. Well that and the Quarians continuing to attack non-defenseless Geth. That didn't work out too well for em.

Uncle Jo wrote...

I can't stand the way the writers tied the Reapers fate with the Synthetics.

"Don't agree with the Starbrat's logic and the inevitable tech sing/synthesis and wanna remove the Reapers from the equation? LOL, then the Geth die too."

Master trolling.

And no, OP destroying the Geth is not a good idea (imo).


Exactly. My face was pretty much :mellow: when starbat goes "all synthetics are gonna be destroyed neerneer!"

Shot the tube because no matter how much crap they piled onto destroy still beat starbrat's endings.

And yeah this is pretty much a Geth/Quarian debate thread in disguise. Those don't go anywhere fast.

Edit: Let me be nice for once. :lol:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 avril 2013 - 01:34 .