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[Phatose]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

 

Phatose wrote...

Council Species.  Part of the council government.  Endorsers of their actions, as such.

Possible you didn't get the Citadel DLC.

Possible you didn't check the archives.

Most likely a Tali-mancer who didn't arrange for her to be killed in ME2 after she demonstrated she was an enemy by pulling a gun on your squad.

 Are you for real?

Which part?  The Council races killing  AI for giggles?  Or Tali being a monster who pulled a gun on an ally for refusing to hide her father's evils?

[Ryzaki]

Rip504 wrote...

Obviously it is a good idea. Geth sympathizers() rejoice. The Geth have died! The Geth are emotionless monsters whom hold no remorse for the crimes they have committed against all Organics.

They have shown a willingness to kill Every Civilized Organic alive to survive. Of course they deserve death.!
:innocent::lol:

*looks at the dead Rannoch slide in game*

Huh. Well Geth died because Catalyst refused to go down alone.

Quarians died because they refused to leave Geth alone

Least the Geth died as heroes and their contributions to the Reaper war will be remembered. Quarians went out as fools and their world that they were so desperate for left as a rotting husk. (What irony is if they'd only waited the Geth would've died when the reapers did and they'd been free to move in. tut tut)

Yay?

Well least we can all choose if the Geth/Quarians live or die and it's not forced on us.

Sadly they have to die for me to completely destroy reapers.

I'll never forget you Geth. <3 

Oh wait...Quarians...those guys that went to war when my Shep asked them not to and kept firing after one of their admirals begged them to stand down? 

Uh...

not a single **** was given that day.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2013 - 03:06 .

[remydat]

Rip504 wrote...

Was that to be taken seriously? If so lmao.

So you can show me Hanaar and Volus killing sentient synthetics for just "sh*t and giggles",no it was not addressed and I did not even read the comment made by Phatose. As you could never prove it was for "sh*t and  giggles" Fail.

How about you prove the Geth want peace,when their last 300 years holds either no contact with organics,or simply the killing of Organics by Geth. ME2 Koris,ME3 Peace,Quarian Geth sympathizers are also shown in ME3 and have existed for the entire 300 years span. As Koris wants peace,and sympathizes with what his people did to the Geth. I can not find a case of the Geth doing something similar. The Geth show no remorse as they have no emotion.

Geth are not harmless. Really? Have you forgotten their existence? So somehow it is not "stupid" to accept the Geth killing all civilized organic life for your own reasons? Really? Yet it is stupid to save the lives of all civilized organics by killing the Geth? My logic ends the potential conflict,as the synthetics no longer exist. The Catalyst is doing it for the potential. What I am saying in NO WAY led to the Reaper harvest. Lmao Fail. No Synthetics and the outlaw creation of synthetics in what way provides a base for Synthetic vs organic conflict when no synthetics exist.?  If anything accepting the conflict based on your reasons does offer a basis for the Reaper harvest. As you are stating the Geth killing all civilized Organic life because they were attacked is justified. Hence the Catalyst is here to stop this from happening,yet you say it is justified and will loose no sleep over it. Well until a Geth comes and slaughters you for the actions of another.

Prove to me an organic race protested publicly to the council about their laws?  Prove to me they refused to do business with the council because of there laws?  You are asking a species to accept their extinction for who exactly? 

Legion says they accept the creators hate because they caused them great harm.  Legion says the Geth are cleaning up Rannoch for the Quarians.  Legion tells Koris they are not opposed to peace, they simply need to see more data because anytime the Quarians think they can win they attack 100%.  So not sure what game you were playing.

If Synthetics ruled the galaxy and had laws saying organics should not exist, I don't see any organic race just accepting their extinction if an alliance with the Reapers allowed them to live.  This is not about whether it is right or wrong, this is about the biological imperative of a species to want to survive.  You killing the Geth to save organics is no different than the Geth allying with the Reapers to save themselves.  Both are born from the same desire to survive.  The only difference is the Geth choice was one they had no other choice if they wanted to live.  You had other choices but simply refused to take them.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

As a matter of fact I did when I did the destroy ending. I'm well aware you don't care about my choices. It's just my way of "rewarding" the Geth based on your "cold hard math".

To each his/her own.

silverexile17s wrote...

That's in regards to Vs every other being in the damn galaxy. It's about if the geth have warrented enough to be worth risking every other being in the entire galaxy for.
Did you see THAT?

It was "blatently obvious" to No One, because you invisioned it so that you could make a rant. It was NOT about "geth vs quarians." It was about "Geth vs the fate of the entire galaxy."
So again, NO. The fault was in your own misinterpertation.

And again, like I said, you were the one that broke it by dragging the quarian dispute into this.

And I responded that if they deserve death so do the people that provoked them.  You are asking me if they deserve death and my logical response was not any more than anyone else like the Council or Quarians who provoked them.  That is a perfectly valid answer to the question.

You mean the REAPERS? Because Sovergien was the one that provoked the geth into attacking the Citadel, creating the Heretic faction that gave the geth such a bad name.
So, in other words.
The Council and quarians DIDN'T provoke them. The Reapers did. And THAT sped into a chain reaction that only worsened the already bad relations the geth had with others. The Reapers are the only ones to blame for this.

[Phatose]

Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

[Astartes Marine]

Phatose wrote...
Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

I believe that person was referring to the Geth Heretics in ME1.  At that point the Quarian Flotilla had not engaged in combat with the Geth forces as a whole, the Heretic faction was formed after contact with Sovereign who at that point was seeking allies.  This led to the inevitable conflicts between the player and their allies and Geth forces. 

In that instance, the Reapers were indeed the instigators of the conflict.  Up until Sovereign arrived the Geth were just keeping busy with their repairs of the Quarian homeworld and the construction of their megastructure.

[silverexile17s]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

I believe that person was referring to the Geth Heretics in ME1.  At that point the Quarian Flotilla had not engaged in combat with the Geth forces as a whole, the Heretic faction was formed after contact with Sovereign who at that point was seeking allies.  This led to the inevitable conflicts between the player and their allies and Geth forces. 

In that instance, the Reapers were indeed the instigators of the conflict.  Up until Sovereign arrived the Geth were just keeping busy with their repairs of the Quarian homeworld and the construction of their megastructure.

My point exactally. Thank you.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 20 avril 2013 - 05:40 .

[Rip504]

remydat wrote...

Could you actually respond to something I am stating for a change. Please stop talking in the what ifs,speculation,and fabricated scenarios as they are only being used to deflect questions and ignore lore.

Prove that every single Individual of every race always agrees with everything the Council states or does. Absurd. Absolutely Absurd. Humanity became a member after these events. So how do you consider humanity condoning these actions? They had already taken place or were set in law before their arrival. Humanity also wants a seat on the council to influence council decisions etc. Implying that the Turians,Salarians,And Asari dictate council law.
Some Council races do not even hold an embassy aboard the Citadel. Just absurd.

I am not asking the to accept it for anyone. I am stating they brought it upon themselves and have no one to blame for THEIR actions.

Legion stating they accept Quarian hate because of the Great harm they dealt,implies the Geth have wronged the Quarians. Still it is not remorse nor emotion. It is a conclusion based off of variables. Legion states they are more like Care takers of Rannoch,a world they helped destroy. When is it stated the Geth are cleaning the world for the peaceful return of the Quarians? The Geth do not consider the Quarians or their interactions with the Quarians to be peaceful. Still not remorse nor emotion. Then you state the Geth consider the Quarians will attack 100% of the time if they feel they can win,yet they are cleaning the world for the Quarians? "Whhaaat?" Legion dismisses Koris words of peace,yet the Geth want peace and the Quarians do not?  Still not remorse nor emotion. What is your point? To deflect the topic at hand?

[Rip504]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Geth and Quarians fate are decided by Shepard(You the Player).

The Geth die because of choice made by Shepard. The Quarians die because of a choice made by Shepard. They live happily ever after because of a choice made by Shepard.

The Quarians are winning the War before the Geth become Reaper slaves/tools. Once Shepard and the Quarians have disabled the Reaper code the Quarians have won. Shepard changes this fate by allowing the Geth to upgrade themselves with Reaper tech and destroy the Quarians. In that moment Shepard holds the fate of each race in "HIS" hands. 82% chance that Shepard is a male. Live with it.

As well Gerrel stands down and accepts peace every time I ask him to. I will never allow the Quarians to accept all of the glory when I helped kill those monstrous Geth. That is why I use them in the upcoming battle for Earth and then leave them to their deserving fate. One in which they accept,as they became allies knowing the potential that they may never come back. A potential every race accepted when trying to retake Earth and deliver the finishing blow to the Reapers.

The Quarians continue to live,as well as having had the Geth help them advance their civilization by years. I call that an absolute Quarian victory. As we are all remembered as Heroes,and the Geth were the monsters that made the ultimate sacrifice to try and redeem themselves in the eyes of the Galaxy. We may or may not build a statue of the Geth. I have not decided yet. Probably not though.

Modifié par Rip504, 20 avril 2013 - 05:59 .

[Dunabar]

Auld Wulf wrote...
See, quarian-supporters turn their real world racist habits to fiction,

Thank you Auld Wulf, I needed that laugh. Also just in case you formed a early smile, I wasn't laughing with you.

I was actually going to type up something really thoughtful, but then I thought; It's Auld Wulf, the same Auld Wulf that loves to deem people as racist in real life simply because they don't like or support the Geth.

Thank you once more Auld Wulf, you make me even more proud to be a Quarian supporter.


*Walks away with flameshields still down* Best of luck with Auld Wulf, Geth supporters.

[shodiswe]

Rip504 wrote...

remydat wrote...

Could you actually respond to something I am stating for a change. Please stop talking in the what ifs,speculation,and fabricated scenarios as they are only being used to deflect questions and ignore lore.

Prove that every single Individual of every race always agrees with everything the Council states or does. Absurd. Absolutely Absurd. Humanity became a member after these events. So how do you consider humanity condoning these actions? They had already taken place or were set in law before their arrival. Humanity also wants a seat on the council to influence council decisions etc. Implying that the Turians,Salarians,And Asari dictate council law.
Some Council races do not even hold an embassy aboard the Citadel. Just absurd.

I am not asking the to accept it for anyone. I am stating they brought it upon themselves and have no one to blame for THEIR actions.

Legion stating they accept Quarian hate because of the Great harm they dealt,implies the Geth have wronged the Quarians. Still it is not remorse nor emotion. It is a conclusion based off of variables. Legion states they are more like Care takers of Rannoch,a world they helped destroy. When is it stated the Geth are cleaning the world for the peaceful return of the Quarians? The Geth do not consider the Quarians or their interactions with the Quarians to be peaceful. Still not remorse nor emotion. Then you state the Geth consider the Quarians will attack 100% of the time if they feel they can win,yet they are cleaning the world for the Quarians? "Whhaaat?" Legion dismisses Koris words of peace,yet the Geth want peace and the Quarians do not?  Still not remorse nor emotion. What is your point? To deflect the topic at hand?

What Legion said was that the Geth did not want to harm/huntdown the Quarians but the Quarians have shown no interest in peace, they always attack except when they retreat. If the Quarians could show they were interested in Peace, then the Geth might be itnerested in initiating a dialogue. Later were told the Quarian Admiralty board voted against the proposition to open up for peaceful negotiations with the Geth.
Koris might want peace but the Admiralty board doesn't, how can you make peace when one party refuses to even explore the possibility?
After ME3 Koris is one of my favrite Quarians, at least he cared for his people and aspired for something greater. He would deserve the Nobel peaceprice, even if his work was shunned by the rest of the Quarian leadership and war mongers.


Also... Why don't we get this guy on Earth when we make Peace between the Geth and the Quarians? Sigh... Are they too busy building homes for the Quarians if I create a Peace between them?

 

Modifié par shodiswe, 20 avril 2013 - 07:04 .

[Phatose]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

I believe that person was referring to the Geth Heretics in ME1.  At that point the Quarian Flotilla had not engaged in combat with the Geth forces as a whole, the Heretic faction was formed after contact with Sovereign who at that point was seeking allies.  This led to the inevitable conflicts between the player and their allies and Geth forces. 

In that instance, the Reapers were indeed the instigators of the conflict.  Up until Sovereign arrived the Geth were just keeping busy with their repairs of the Quarian homeworld and the construction of their megastructure.

No.  Just no.

This is nothing more then an illusion created by where you draw lines.

The Quarian flotilla did engage with the geth..  It tried to kill them.  Their entire species.

It's why they were on the boats in the first place.

[Phatose]

That said, why are we even having this discussion? Tali showed us what Quarians were all about in ME2.

"SHEPARD! My father was bringing back Geth and torturing them! Please lie to the other Quarians so I don't have to admit my father was both a monster who tortured our enemies!"

"OK Tali, your father was a monster. Which you clearly know, otherwise you wouldn't ask me to lie. But you're a member of my squad, so OK."

Joker: "Shepard, Tali just attacked a member of your squad!"

Paragon Interrupt: Shoot Tali in the head.

[Ryzaki]

Rip504 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Geth and Quarians fate are decided by Shepard(You the Player).

The Geth die because of choice made by Shepard. The Quarians die because of a choice made by Shepard. They live happily ever after because of a choice made by Shepard.

The Quarians are winning the War before the Geth become Reaper slaves/tools. Once Shepard and the Quarians have disabled the Reaper code the Quarians have won. Shepard changes this fate by allowing the Geth to upgrade themselves with Reaper tech and destroy the Quarians. In that moment Shepard holds the fate of each race in "HIS" hands. 82% chance that Shepard is a male. Live with it.

As well Gerrel stands down and accepts peace every time I ask him to. I will never allow the Quarians to accept all of the glory when I helped kill those monstrous Geth. That is why I use them in the upcoming battle for Earth and then leave them to their deserving fate. One in which they accept,as they became allies knowing the potential that they may never come back. A potential every race accepted when trying to retake Earth and deliver the finishing blow to the Reapers.

The Quarians continue to live,as well as having had the Geth help them advance their civilization by years. I call that an absolute Quarian victory. As we are all remembered as Heroes,and the Geth were the monsters that made the ultimate sacrifice to try and redeem themselves in the eyes of the Galaxy. We may or may not build a statue of the Geth. I have not decided yet. Probably not though.

I'm well aware of that. Thus why I put my game as a counterpoint to your "the geth is dead"

Also? What's with that HIS quip? You got something against FemShep players? 

Also Quarians would've died without Shepard buddy. The Geth were still under Reaper control remember? They'd gotten torn apart if Shep hadn't gotten on foot and gotten that reaper out of its hidey hole. So yeah both sides live due to Shep. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

And he doesn't in mine and the fleet gets blown out of the sky in mine. And then Tali throws herself off the cliff. :innocent:

And in mine Geth are known as synthetics that helped defeat the Reapers proving that no all synthetics aren't something to be feared and the lessons in talk first shoot later. (Them along with EDI).

[S.A.K]

I am trying to avoid this topic now. Harder than I thought...

Phatose wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

I believe that person was referring to the Geth Heretics in ME1.  At that point the Quarian Flotilla had not engaged in combat with the Geth forces as a whole, the Heretic faction was formed after contact with Sovereign who at that point was seeking allies.  This led to the inevitable conflicts between the player and their allies and Geth forces. 

In that instance, the Reapers were indeed the instigators of the conflict.  Up until Sovereign arrived the Geth were just keeping busy with their repairs of the Quarian homeworld and the construction of their megastructure.

No.  Just no.

This is nothing more then an illusion created by where you draw lines.

The Quarian flotilla did engage with the geth..  It tried to kill them.  Their entire species.

It's why they were on the boats in the first place.

Quarians clearly made a mistake by trying to shut down the Geth during the Morning War. But after that the Geth killed every Quarian who did not leave the planet. Which means they either used WMDs or went from house to house executing people and I frankly don't know which is worse.

Geth haven't even been spotted outside the veil in almost 300 years. Geth killed everyone they encountered other than the Reapers. Nobody even knew about the Heretic situation. So there is no reason to believe Geth wanted peace at all. Infact there is more than enough reason to think the Geth are hostile to all organics. Now that the Reapers have arrived, the Quarians need a planet more than ever. If they loose just one live ship, they are screwed. Geth are needlessly holding the only planet the Quarians could use. So I can't blame them for attacking. And I can't forgive the Geth for what they did. Specially joining the Reapers.

[S.A.K]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Geth and Quarians fate are decided by Shepard(You the Player).

The Geth die because of choice made by Shepard. The Quarians die because of a choice made by Shepard. They live happily ever after because of a choice made by Shepard.

The Quarians are winning the War before the Geth become Reaper slaves/tools. Once Shepard and the Quarians have disabled the Reaper code the Quarians have won. Shepard changes this fate by allowing the Geth to upgrade themselves with Reaper tech and destroy the Quarians. In that moment Shepard holds the fate of each race in "HIS" hands. 82% chance that Shepard is a male. Live with it.

As well Gerrel stands down and accepts peace every time I ask him to. I will never allow the Quarians to accept all of the glory when I helped kill those monstrous Geth. That is why I use them in the upcoming battle for Earth and then leave them to their deserving fate. One in which they accept,as they became allies knowing the potential that they may never come back. A potential every race accepted when trying to retake Earth and deliver the finishing blow to the Reapers.

The Quarians continue to live,as well as having had the Geth help them advance their civilization by years. I call that an absolute Quarian victory. As we are all remembered as Heroes,and the Geth were the monsters that made the ultimate sacrifice to try and redeem themselves in the eyes of the Galaxy. We may or may not build a statue of the Geth. I have not decided yet. Probably not though.

I'm well aware of that. Thus why I put my game as a counterpoint to your "the geth is dead"

Also? What's with that HIS quip? You got something against FemShep players? 

Also Quarians would've died without Shepard buddy. The Geth were still under Reaper control remember? They'd gotten torn apart if Shep hadn't gotten on foot and gotten that reaper out of its hidey hole. So yeah both sides live due to Shep. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

And he doesn't in mine and the fleet gets blown out of the sky in mine. And then Tali throws herself off the cliff. :innocent:

And in mine Geth are known as synthetics that helped defeat the Reapers proving that no all synthetics aren't something to be feared and the lessons in talk first shoot later. (Them along with EDI).

Well actually over 80% of all players prefer the destroy ending. So the Geth are dead in all their games. If a sequal to Mass Effect 3 is ever made, chances are Geth would be gone.

Geth are dead without the Reapers and they would be Reapers slaves without Shepard. Geth did help fight the Reapers and later died along with the Reapers. They'll be remembered...:innocent:

[silverexile17s]

Phatose wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh yeah, because the Quarian's attempt at genocide, that was not provocation. I mean, who would really consider an attempt to murder every last member of your species as provocation?

I believe that person was referring to the Geth Heretics in ME1.  At that point the Quarian Flotilla had not engaged in combat with the Geth forces as a whole, the Heretic faction was formed after contact with Sovereign who at that point was seeking allies.  This led to the inevitable conflicts between the player and their allies and Geth forces. 

In that instance, the Reapers were indeed the instigators of the conflict.  Up until Sovereign arrived the Geth were just keeping busy with their repairs of the Quarian homeworld and the construction of their megastructure.

No.  Just no.

This is nothing more then an illusion created by where you draw lines.

The Quarian flotilla did engage with the geth..  It tried to kill them.  Their entire species.

It's why they were on the boats in the first place.

Yes. Just YES.

And your proof is? Honestly, refute the point. The Reapers provoked the geth into attacking humanity. That made the geth's reputation worse. The Heretics also perpetuated an entirely NEW conflict by assaulting/involving a faction that was entirely seperate from the one their previous war was with (the quarians). So YES, Sovergien antagonized the geth into starting a new conflict, that certinly did nothing to better the geth's reputation.
That is a fact. Your proof of otherwise is?

And AGAIN, the reason the quarians didn't stop to talk is because the Geth Heretics promoted an image of a geth collective that had already attacked the rest of the galaxy. Remember, the Heretic schisim was NOT public knowledge, even as late as the Rannoch War. Diana Allers straight-up tells you in the geth/quarian interview that the last time anyone heard anything about geth, it was that they attacked the Citadel. The Alliance classified anything and everything having to do with any mention of a "Geth Schisim." So, as far as the quarians knew, the geth already cast the first stone and declared open war on the galaxy at Eden Prime and the Citadel. As far as the quarians knew, the geth tried to kill everyone at the Citadel under Sovergien - which is now publicly confirmed as a Reaper. Therefore, once again, as far as the quarians know, the geth hate organics, and tried to wipe out everyone three years back, so most moral delemas don't apply to that, let alone the possiblity that the geth are friendly and want to talk.
And the fact that the geth recalled Legion, and prevented him from responding to Tali's messages is only further proof that the geth weren't interested in talking anymore then the quarians were.

As for the Morning War, the quarians have already admitted they have remorse for that. Tali tells you on the Alerei that the reason the quarians never tried before to retake Rannoch was out of guilt - for how they'd panicked about Council repraisal. The Council's laws would have punsihed them harshly. They had no way to know that both options would screw them over.
Besides, with how high the death toll was, the geth's kill rate was either due to methodical butchering, or simple mass murder. It's one thing to shoot back at an attacker. It's another to mow down the woman and childeren in the surrounding 50 square meter area.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 20 avril 2013 - 08:01 .

[Phatose]

Demonstrate that without the Quarian's attempt at genocide, the heretics would've existed or withdraw your claim.

[S.A.K]

^Choice of the Heretics was not based on the actions of Quarians. That happened centuries after the MW when the Geth came into contact with Reaper Nazara. Geth were always looking for ways to improve themselves and some Geth choose to acquire those improvements from the Reapers. I don't see why that wouldn't happen even if the MW never happened and Geth and Quarians went their separate ways.

[Auld Wulf]

My respect is growing exponentially for Phantose, now, too. I love seeing logic in this debate. I've often said that one of the parables of Mass Effect is that bad parenting creates neurotic, crazy AI. Teh orthodox AI, whilst not violent, are neurotically terrified of organics to the point of suffering anthrophobia; I can only imagine how brave of an act creating and sending out Legion was.

And then consider Legion's experiences. The Creators are running unethical experiments on Geth parts to try to create super-weapons to destroy all Geth (orthodox included), he was subjected to hate and ire on the flotilla, he had to listen to how one man (Gerrel) wanted to see them all dead, and how one woman (Xen) wanted to see them all brainwashed. Despite understanding that Gerrel, Xen, and Tali's father aren't the nicest people, he still strived for peace through Shepard.

The Geth are far from perfect, but that says a lot about their intent in my opinion. Plus, they were clearly scarred by the Morning War. Not just by watching other Geth die, but by watching friendly Creators die, too. What Legion understands is that the Quarian people aren't racist, and Megara stood by Legion until the end. Again, I love the Quarians, I just think their fanclub flip-flops between idiocy, unethical attitudes, and insanity.

If the Geth hadn't been exposed to the acts of those insane Quarians within the military who wanted all Geth and Geth supporters dead, then they wouldn't have become so neurotic. Their overpowering neurosis and fear was the reason for the heretics to "wake up."

Just think of what happens when you abuse a child. They either end up neurotically afraid, or they go a bit bonzo.

[Auld Wulf]

@S.A.K.

Straw man. You created an argument that was contrary to what he was saying.

He's not talking about the choice of the heretics, he's talking about the existence of the heretics.

Without the Morning War to make the geth super neurotic, there never would have been any heretics to make that choice. Basically, the Morning War made part of the Geth insane.

Edit: "This data comes from a period during which the Creators declared martial law."

Essentially a few insane Quarians amongst their own were killing Geth and Quarins who supported them. The Quarian civilians went militaristic to defend the Geth. Imagine living through that, and watching a friend defend you with their life, only to die at your feet. Can you imagine the trauma?

Without the Morning War, the heretics would never have needed to exist.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 20 avril 2013 - 08:36 .

[Auld Wulf]

See, my problem with this argument is that whilst the Quarians had people like Koris and Megara, invariably every Quarian fan has the mentality of Gerrel. What happens then is that people react badly, because Gerrel was obviously a spare Aryan, a monster. If Quarian fans were acting more like Koris or Megara, there wouldn't even be a need for this argument.

Basically? Quarian fans, take note: There are more Quarians available than just Gerrel. Listen to Koris, take note of the sacrifice of Megara. You insult the memory of the Quarians who died in the Morning War with your insanity.

[Ryzaki]

S.A.K wrote...
Well actually over 80% of all players prefer the destroy ending. So the Geth are dead in all their games. If a sequal to Mass Effect 3 is ever made, chances are Geth would be gone.

Geth are dead without the Reapers and they would be Reapers slaves without Shepard. Geth did help fight the Reapers and later died along with the Reapers. They'll be remembered...:innocent:

Sadly true.

What? You expect me to be surprised by that?  I'm more bothered by Leliana's magical rez in DAO (that has yet to be explained).

And Quarians are dead without Shepard and would've died to the Reapers without Shepard. Quarians didn't die helping fight the Reapers instead died trying to take back their homeworld. They'll be remembered...as fools who should've waited.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2013 - 08:57 .

[S.A.K]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@S.A.K.

Straw man. You created an argument that was contrary to what he was saying.

He's not talking about the choice of the heretics, he's talking about the existence of the heretics.

Without the Morning War to make the geth super neurotic, there never would have been any heretics to make that choice. Basically, the Morning War made part of the Geth insane.

Edit: "This data comes from a period during which the Creators declared martial law."

Essentially a few insane Quarians amongst their own were killing Geth and Quarins who supported them. The Quarian civilians went militaristic to defend the Geth. Imagine living through that, and watching a friend defend you with their life, only to die at your feet. Can you imagine the trauma?

Without the Morning War, the heretics would never have needed to exist.

Heretics exist because of that choice so there is no difference. You'll know that if you paid attention to detail. Before they made that choice, they were Geth like the rest of them. Geth are not like organics. The difference between Geth is perspective as said by Legion. They share memories and processing power and they understand each other pretty well. They also don't feel fear like organics and they don't get traumatized(even rejoining with Heretics don't traumatize them). Also there are no indiviuals among Geth. When they met that Reaper, a part of the Geth consensus wished to gain their future from the Reapers as explained by Legion and the rest of the Geth understood their reasons and let them leave. All of that is given ingame. After that the Heretics almost destroyed all civilization and the rest of the Geth didn't give a damn.
If you have any given data to suggest heretics made that choice because of the Morning War and not to improve themselves, I'd like to see it. If not, stop talking about your opinions as they are facts please.

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Well actually over 80% of all players prefer the destroy ending. So the Geth are dead in all their games. If a sequal to Mass Effect 3 is ever made, chances are Geth would be gone.

Geth are dead without the Reapers and they would be Reapers slaves without Shepard. Geth did help fight the Reapers and later died along with the Reapers. They'll be remembered...:innocent:

Sadly true.

What? You expect me to be surprised by that?  I'm more bothered by Leliana's magical rez in DAO (that has yet to be explained).

And Quarians are dead without Shepard and would've died to the Reapers without Shepard. Quarians didn't die helping fight the Reapers instead died trying to take back their homeworld. They'll be remembered...as fools who should've waited.

Glad you agree with the first part. But I am not actually sad about it. Geth were used enough as an enemy faction. Time to move on.
Surprised by what? I didn't say anything that could surprise. I didn't even disagree with anything you said.

Waited for what exactly? They can't fight the reapers without a planet. Loosing just one live ship would screw them. If I kill they Geth at Rannoch, they'll be remembered as the cowards who sided with the Reapers to save their asses.

Modifié par S.A.K, 20 avril 2013 - 09:17 .