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[knight5923]

I began my original playthrough in the Dwarf Noble origin, and was enthralled by the politcal intrigue and social intricacies found therein. The story was great, and I loved the characters and plot twists. On my second playthrough, I decided to try the Dwarf Commoner origin, and was somewhat disappointed. "Born casteless in a land where rank is everything, bound as the lackey and thug of a local crime lord, you have spent your life invisible... until chance thrusts you into the spotlight, where you can finally prove whether you will be defined by your actions or your birth." (I justify this as not being a spoiler, as it is the vague barebones origin description quoted directly from the standalone character creator). The origin sounds interesting, a real underdog sort of story. After playing through it, though, I found it to be rather short and very linear. There are only a few tasks to be completed, and I never truly felt connected to any of the characters. Without going into detail, some family members are present, whom I constantly felt indifferent towards, and there is also a companion, whom I found ranged from being dull to being somewhat annoying. When compared to the depth and breadth of the Noble origins, it simply felt rather empty. This is, of course, simply my opinion, and I would welcome any one else's, whether for or against, or anyone who could provide a different perspective on the subject.

[Bhatair]

You get the best quote out of Duncan in that origin though, plus you ****** off everyone in Orzammar.

I like it

[Sloth Of Doom]

Yeah the dwarf comner does seem a little flat when held alongside the noble. However, if you put it against say...the dalish elf opening...it is suddenly full of wonder, depth and mystery.

[Caughill]

It's actually my favorite origin. I'd say more, but I think it's too easy to get into spoilers.

[Frozeal]

Quote Duncan please.

[melkathi]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Yeah the dwarf comner does seem a little flat when held alongside the noble. However, if you put it against say...the dalish elf opening...it is suddenly full of wonder, depth and mystery.

Ah, I was wondering who'd mention the dalish one



I like the dwarf noble background, though I found it a bit dissapointing later in the game. Still, it is the one background that gets the player the most involved in a... damn we are in the no spoiler section

I liked all the backgrounds.
I even liked the dalish one, though I am very glad I played it last and so I could experience as something completly different to the other ones.

My own favourid... probably human noble, closely followed by city elf and dwarven noble.

The main thing though is that in the end it is good to play them all, since each gives a unique perspective of the world of Dragon Age and the events of Dragon Age: Origins

[Inatar]

I thought the Dwarf Noble Origin was the best out of all the Origins. It demonstrates the full faults of a semi-democratic system, whilst plunging you straight in the middle of it. It had betrayal, great fights, you really don't trust anyone except Gorim.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

knight5923 wrote...

I found it to be rather short and very linear. There are only a few tasks to be completed, and I never truly felt connected to any of the characters.

Just try the Dalish elf origin. It makes the dwarf commoner origin look awesome. In all fairness the Dwarven Noble origin is the best (closely followed by the mage and the human noble in joint place). For some reason the two elven origins seem linnear and rushed, almost unfinished. Out of the two elven origin stories the city elf one has more emotional attachment 'though.

Inatar wrote...

I thought the Dwarf Noble Origin was the best out of all the Origins. It demonstrates the full faults of a semi-democratic system, whilst plunging you straight in the middle of it. It had betrayal, great fights, you really don't trust anyone except Gorim.

*Potential spoiler warning*



And if you look Gorim afterwards you get a nice little bonus. Well, a nice big bonus really .

Modifié par Balgin Stondraeg, 15 janvier 2010 - 11:12 .

[Gilsa]

Really? I loved the dwarf commoner and thought it rivaled the noble's origin. The conversation with the sister right in the beginning sets the tone for the playthrough. From a female perspective, I appreciated the unpleasant nature of the work she was doing so I wouldn't end up like her. She was my personal cheerleader and had one of the best parting quotes in the game when Duncan made his offer. When I saw her again towards the end of the game, the conversation tied up everything that we had talked about from the beginning so there was a real sense of closure. If there was ever a fist bump moment to be shared, that was it. Depending on the choices you made 3/4th of the way through the game, it can definitely be one of the best Cinderella type of endings (this ties into the origin conversation with the sister).

The one stark difference between the noble and the commoner origin for me was lack of dwarven pride. As a noble, I cared about my people (I'm a huge fan of dwarves in general so I paid extra attention to everything) and had pride in my city, despite the burdensome family politics. As a commoner that was branded like an animal, I was completely apathetic. The commoner wasn't good enough for anything, even to earn an honest living. It was almost downright embarrassing to be a dwarf. My commoner would not have cared if Ozrammar burned down to the ground. There was a huge sense of freedom when leaving for the surface because there were no real ties to Ozrammar and thus the future was a clean slate. Not so much for the noble since the noble had a lot of baggage to resolve, even at the end when being asked what her plans were. Heavy lies the head with the invisible crown!

All in all, I thought both origins were fantastic.

Modifié par Gilsa, 15 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .

[Balgin Stondraeg]

Gilsa wrote...

Really? I loved the dwarf commoner and thought it rivaled the noble's origin. The conversation with the sister right in the beginning sets the tone for the playthrough. From a female perspective, I appreciated the unpleasant nature of the work she was doing so I wouldn't end up like her. She was my personal cheerleader and had one of the best parting quotes in the game when Duncan made his offer.

Did you spot her cameo in the Dwarf Noble origin? I played the noble first and when I started the commoner I thought "hang on, is she that person...?" Amusingly during the noble origin you can hear npc's discussing events that took place in the commoner's origin too. It's nice to see them binding it all together like that .

[Gilsa]

Yeah, that tugged on my heart strings when I realized who that person was supposed to be. I was disappointed I didn't hear too much about the noble pc on the commoner, but it made sense since the noble was basically he-who-must-not-be-named at that point.

[Valmy]

knight5923 wrote...

I began my original playthrough in the Dwarf Noble origin, and was enthralled by the politcal intrigue and social intricacies found therein. The story was great, and I loved the characters and plot twists. On my second playthrough, I decided to try the Dwarf Commoner origin, and was somewhat disappointed. "Born casteless in a land where rank is everything, bound as the lackey and thug of a local crime lord, you have spent your life invisible... until chance thrusts you into the spotlight, where you can finally prove whether you will be defined by your actions or your birth." (I justify this as not being a spoiler, as it is the vague barebones origin description quoted directly from the standalone character creator). The origin sounds interesting, a real underdog sort of story. After playing through it, though, I found it to be rather short and very linear. There are only a few tasks to be completed, and I never truly felt connected to any of the characters. Without going into detail, some family members are present, whom I constantly felt indifferent towards, and there is also a companion, whom I found ranged from being dull to being somewhat annoying. When compared to the depth and breadth of the Noble origins, it simply felt rather empty. This is, of course, simply my opinion, and I would welcome any one else's, whether for or against, or anyone who could provide a different perspective on the subject.

Well I would go into all the many reasons I actually think the Dwarf Commoner is excellent but I can't since this is a no spoilers zone.  I actually think he characters are excellent especially when you progress later in the game....but again that is just my opinion.

[Valmy]

Inatar wrote...

I thought the Dwarf Noble Origin was the best out of all the Origins. It demonstrates the full faults of a semi-democratic system, whilst plunging you straight in the middle of it. It had betrayal, great fights, you really don't trust anyone except Gorim.

I get this thought about the human political system also...since when does a system that has all power in the hands of the aristocrats count as being democratic?  Isn't that Aristocracy and not Democracy in any sense?

[FlintlockJazz]

Valmy wrote...

Inatar wrote...

I thought the Dwarf Noble Origin was the best out of all the Origins. It demonstrates the full faults of a semi-democratic system, whilst plunging you straight in the middle of it. It had betrayal, great fights, you really don't trust anyone except Gorim.

I get this thought about the human political system also...since when does a system that has all power in the hands of the aristocrats count as being democratic?  Isn't that Aristocracy and not Democracy in any sense?

Here are three definitions of democracy:

[*]the political orientation of those who favor government by the people or by their elected representatives [*]a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them [*]majority rule: the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group
[/list]While the ability to vote is given to only a certain group of people, it is still considered a democracy by virtue of the fact that a body of citizens do vote.  In the 19th century most democratic societies still did not give women the right to vote, and even today you still need to meet at least an age requirement in order to vote.  The first democracies even had requirements like "you need to have a fireplace in order to vote" or "own a hectare of land", etc.

[Raoune]

Both the Dwarven origins are very well done, though I would agree that the Dwarven Noble just about takes it.

[melkathi]

Valmy wrote...


I get this thought about the human political system also...since when does a system that has all power in the hands of the aristocrats count as being democratic?  Isn't that Aristocracy and not Democracy in any sense?

Orzamar is an oligarchy - quote from dictionary: a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

Even though old democracies did not allow everyone to vote, the word itself shows the difference to the oligarchy clearly: in a democracy the whole "demos" gets to vote.  Translated (perhaps clumsily): the whole citizenship. The only question then is how do you define a citizen (thus in Heinlein's Starship Trooper you have a democracy, even though only those people who have served in the military may vote, as military service is a prerequisite to citizenship).
In a caste system, like Orzamar, it is not the citizenship that grands the right to vote, but the caste. So while neither a member of the smith caste and a casteless have a say in the decissions made in the assembly, the smith is a citizen of Orzamar and in a democracy would have a vote when the castless would still be without.

[FlintlockJazz]

melkathi wrote...

Valmy wrote...


I get this thought about the human political system also...since when does a system that has all power in the hands of the aristocrats count as being democratic?  Isn't that Aristocracy and not Democracy in any sense?

Orzamar is an oligarchy - quote from dictionary: a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

Even though old democracies did not allow everyone to vote, the word itself shows the difference to the oligarchy clearly: in a democracy the whole "demos" gets to vote.  Translated (perhaps clumsily): the whole citizenship. The only question then is how do you define a citizen (thus in Heinlein's Starship Trooper you have a democracy, even though only those people who have served in the military may vote, as military service is a prerequisite to citizenship).
In a caste system, like Orzamar, it is not the citizenship that grands the right to vote, but the caste. So while neither a member of the smith caste and a casteless have a say in the decissions made in the assembly, the smith is a citizen of Orzamar and in a democracy would have a vote when the castless would still be without.

Ah but a government could be both an oligarchy and a democracy, or at least considered as such.  For instance, apartheid Africa was both a oligarchy and a democracy (or at least it was for those who were white), and while women were not allowed to vote in late 19th century Britain they were still considered citizens, therefore the whole thing is just confusing and probably been set up like that just to give me a headache.

[Hyper Cutter]

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, that tugged on my heart strings when I realized who that person was supposed to be. I was disappointed I didn't hear too much about the noble pc on the commoner, but it made sense since the noble was basically he-who-must-not-be-named at that point.

iirc, you do overhear people talking about the king's second son and his imminent new position, which places the Commoner origin slightly before the Noble...

[Balgin Stondraeg]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, that tugged on my heart strings when I realized who that person was supposed to be. I was disappointed I didn't hear too much about the noble pc on the commoner, but it made sense since the noble was basically he-who-must-not-be-named at that point.

iirc, you do overhear people talking about the king's second son and his imminent new position, which places the Commoner origin slightly before the Noble...

Yes you can overhear those rumours. But I didn't mention it because this is the no spoilers forum . You have to go out of your way to hear them 'though (the Shaperate, I think) whereas with the noble all you have to do is not fight at the Proving and talk to the arena staff available to you.

[Gilsa]

Not fight at the Provings?! Blasphemy!

[jellmoo32]

I tend to agree with most posters here. The Dwarven Noble origin was my favorite by a fair amount. It seems to be the longest and has the most involved plot.



That being said, I think the casteless one is quite good too. Just a step behind the noble origin. Part of the reason, for me, is that I think that the person who voiced Gorim did some of the best voice over work in the game.



I also agree that the Elven origins were the weakest, especially the Dalish one. The Dwarven Noble origin seems to take me at least an hour to get through, while the Dalish one has yet to go past the half hour mark.

[Hyper Cutter]

jellmoo32 wrote...

 Part of the reason, for me, is that I think that the person who voiced Gorim did some of the best voice over work in the game.

That's Steve Blum for you...

[mousestalker]

I like both dwarven origins, but I think the commoner fits better with the entire game story. I found the resolution at the end very satisfying, whereas the noble end was just more same-old same-old. The reactions of the people in Orzammar to me at various parts of the game were interesting and entertaining in the common origin. Although the dwarven male noble can have a pretty funny easter egg at one point.

Steve Blum is just great.

For the record, city elf female is my favourite origin. There's a certain npc I have never allowed to live because of it (12+ run throughs so far). I never will.

Modifié par mousestalker, 17 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[devilsgrin]

i really enjoyed the dwarf noble origin, and i found it more enjoyable that the Commoner... however, the main reason i enjoyed it is if this were any other setting, this machiavellian intrigue-ridden land would most likely have been elven.

The Mage origin seems to me to be the longest of the origins (and is incidently my favourite origin), though the Dwarf Noble would be the next longest, if not close to equal. The commoner is a decent length, significantly moreso than the Human Noble and the Dalish and female city elf origins (the male city elf is a bit longer).