CronoDragoon wrote...
Reorte wrote...
I find it very hard to swallow the idea that not one single previous cycle managed to work out what was coming.
As you should because it's not true. The Protheans knew the Reapers were coming. Who knows how many other cycles did? It simply didn't make a difference.
Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 04 janvier 2014 - 09:58 .
TheMyron wrote...
Too bad we never see the Leviathan spheres used to mind control one Sovereign-class Reaper into attacking another...
And why is the "Dominate" power unavailable on multiplayer?! You don't have to be an AY, just hold up your ownApple of EdenLeviathan Sphere and watch the fun...
TheMyron wrote...
TheMyron wrote...
Too bad we never see the Leviathan spheres used to mind control one Sovereign-class Reaper into attacking another...
And why is the "Dominate" power unavailable on multiplayer?! You don't have to be an AY, just hold up your ownApple of EdenLeviathan Sphere and watch the fun...
P.S. I was kinda hoping we would start with an advantage because we had at least three years worth of forewarning... The Protheans were taken completely by surprise; listen to Vigil's Story.
Modifié par David7204, 05 janvier 2014 - 12:56 .
Modifié par wolfhowwl, 05 janvier 2014 - 01:10 .
Considering that the sum total of the quarian attack on the dreadnought you board was one hole and a damaged docking tube, probably none of them.David7204 wrote...
And tell me, how many of those were lost when the quarians attacked the geth with a weapon they had literally no defenses against? And remember, since dreadnoughts are slow, they would tend to stay close to installations. Such as the one the quarians attacked.
David7204 wrote...
And tell me, how many of those were lost when the quarians attacked the geth with a weapon they had literally no defenses against? And remember, since dreadnoughts are slow, they would tend to stay close to installations. Such as the one the quarians attacked.
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Reorte wrote...
I find it very hard to swallow the idea that not one single previous cycle managed to work out what was coming.
As you should because it's not true. The Protheans knew the Reapers were coming. Who knows how many other cycles did? It simply didn't make a difference.Where was that revealed? Vigil on Ilos stated that the Reapers appeared without warning.
Just kidding, I guess that whole part got retconned.
David7204 wrote...
Uh, no. Wrong. Bringing in all the Reapers you want wouldn't stop the quarians from just fleeing.
Robosexual wrote...
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Reorte wrote...
I find it very hard to swallow the idea that not one single previous cycle managed to work out what was coming.
As you should because it's not true. The Protheans knew the Reapers were coming. Who knows how many other cycles did? It simply didn't make a difference.Where was that revealed? Vigil on Ilos stated that the Reapers appeared without warning.
Just kidding, I guess that whole part got retconned.
Not retconned, the wiki isn't a source.
KaiserShep wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Uh, no. Wrong. Bringing in all the Reapers you want wouldn't stop the quarians from just fleeing.
Why not? The geth seemed to be pretty good at stopping the quarians on their own. The reapers would have simply wiped them out, considering that they can outrun just about anything the quarians or alliance have.
Modifié par KaiserShep, 05 janvier 2014 - 02:06 .
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Where was that revealed? Vigil on Ilos stated that the Reapers appeared without warning.
Just kidding, I guess that whole part got retconned.
Not retconned, the wiki isn't a source.
What wiki? Now I'm confused.
Robosexual wrote...
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Where was that revealed? Vigil on Ilos stated that the Reapers appeared without warning.
Just kidding, I guess that whole part got retconned.
Not retconned, the wiki isn't a source.
What wiki? Now I'm confused.
You mentioned that Vigil said the Reapers appeared without warning, then you said that part got retconned.
With no source except the wiki.
The wiki isn't a source. Without an actual source you can't say that part got retconned.
No, the quarian's unrivalled idiocy will see to that - every last captain fully backed a utterly suicidal final attack with no hope of achieving anything (if Shepard sides with Legion), and if they won't fall back when to avoid certain complete extermination of their species then I don't think the Reaper threat will do anything.David7204 wrote...
Uh, no. Wrong. Bringing in all the Reapers you want wouldn't stop the quarians from just fleeing.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
In ME3, Javik states that the Protheans had advance knowledge of the Reapers, but were unable to prepare in time.
Retcon.
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Nightwriter wrote...
Well, yeah.The Mad Hanar wrote...
It took like half of the Alliance fleet to take out a Geth platoon and ONE Reaper.
And we're still having this conversation? Really?
Look, it's not "conventional vs Crucible" really. The underlying argument is "The Way BioWare Did It vs. Some Other Way."
There are lots of different offshoots of Some Other Way. Conventional victory is one of them, perhaps one of the more misguided. But the underlying elements are the same: The Way BioWare Did It haz hated Catalyst and Icky Ickies (see: can't win on own steam, don't agree with the problem, hate the solutions, dislike Catalyst -- list is endless). The Some Other Way (in this case, conventional victory) haz winning on our own and no Icky Ickies.
So for as long as people are unsatisfied with the endings there will probably always be a few who are emotionally drawn to conventional victory despite the clear problems it has if it isn't coupled with something clever. Maybe it's because that is the only method they hear mentioned in the game aside from the Crucible, I don't know. Maybe it's that some people wanted EMS to matter more, wanted to believe it could be possible to win martially if you play all your cards absolutely perfectly. Maybe "let's just fricking charge them" is the first thought that enters their minds after "God that ending sucked what was that kid even saying I am so confused." I really don't know.
Either way, it got talked about so much that somewhere along the line Some Other Way and "winning purely conventionally" got muddied together, until people started assuming you supported conventional victory if you opposed the Catalyst at all.
The Mad Hanar wrote...
To that I say there are other fish in the sea! Move on man, move on!
KaiserShep wrote...
That's a quitter's attitude. Anything is edible if you put your mind to it.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Yup. I'll give you my source:
My source is Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 3.
In ME1, Vigil states the Reapers attacked without warning, completely catching the Protheans with their pants down.
In ME3, Javik states that the Protheans had advance knowledge of the Reapers, but were unable to prepare in time.
Retcon.
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