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[themikefest]

Han Shot First wrote...

In retrospect I think it would have made more sense if Liara had some prior military service in those 106 or so years before she met Shepard, but I don't see it as being as big a deal as some people make it out to be. We don't know how much time passes between missions. I just had head canon that a sufficient amount of time has passed to bring Liara up to speed and move on.

I agree it would be better if she had prior experience.

I would make T'soni 250-300 years old and spending maybe 150 years as an Commando and a bounty hunter with knowledge in gathering information for the Asari and as a bounty hunter. Her mother tells her that she is concern for her safety with the missions her daughter is on and Liara decides to leave the Asari military to study the Protheans for the next 50 years.

With that background she would be a squadmate and eventually being the Shadow broker.

As she is now, she has no reason to be a squadmate. Shepard has no time to train a child while chasing Saren.. This is why I pick her up at the last possible moment in the game.

Han you're in the military, would you put her on your squad with no experience?

[GimmeDaGun]

Psychevore wrote...

The things you people worry about and bother yourself with... dayumn.

 Yeah, this is what came to my mind as well... 

[themikefest]

I say beating the reapers conventionally can be done if we didn't have the giant "microphone" to use.

In the game you see that we always attack a reaper head on. Why? The only one or thing with any common sense is Kalros when it stopped the destroyer from behind.

I finished a playthrough of ME3 yesterday, and when scanning the planet Illum, the people decided not to shoot at the capital ships, but at the troop transport ships delaying the reapers attack. Why can't we fire at the transport ships and the processing ships? Taking those out of the picture would really make life hard for the reapers to continue their harvest. The problem is we don't know how many of those ships the reapers have and how well guarded they are.

When the reapers are on the ground give Cains to the soldiers, not to fire at the reapers, but to fire at the ground the reapers are walking on. The ground would be unstable causing the reapers to fall over. I don't know if a reaper would be able to fly away if laying on its side or not but that few moments it would be vulnerable to attacks.

Another is that the capital ships have a weak spot. Their joints near the bottom of their legs. This would be easy to do if the capital ships are isolated from each other like the two we see on Palavens moon. In the cutscene over Earth an Alliance ship fires to shots at a capital ship taking out two of its legs, of course a moment later the Alliance ship is destroyed. 

Anyways, this is just my 2 cents worth. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I started watching some of the ME1 conversation videos on YouTube . She does say she runs into local wild life (which could be saying something in Mass Effect) and small bands of mercs, and that she has never encountered a situation that she couldn't handle with her biotics. So, I guess she was trained sometime during her century long life and has dealt with enough situations to learn how to keep cool in combat.

The important thing is I guess she has some experience, although who knows how much compared to everyone else (she probably has at least more than Tali).

[ImaginaryMatter]

StreetMagic wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I started watching some of the ME1 conversation videos on YouTube . She does say she runs into local wild life (which could be saying something in Mass Effect) and small bands of mercs, and that she has never encountered a situation that she couldn't handle with her biotics. So, I guess she was trained sometime during her century long life and has dealt with enough situations to learn how to keep cool in combat.

The important thing is I guess she has some experience, although who knows how much compared to everyone else (she probably has at least more than Tali).

Why do you say Tali? She'd have quite a lot of experience pertaining to her discipline (Engineering). Other than that, I think her Homeworlds comic put her in a cool light, when it came to finding Saren's data. The whole story makes her a bit more ballsy than what ME1 presents (ME1 doesn't really say much really.. kind of just skips to the facts).

I've never read the comic. In ME1 she does seems really young. I think Liara has been blue Indiana Jones (I'm probably going to get flak for saying that) for as long as Tali has been alive. Since biotics are painted as being pretty powerful in the ME lore I think that gives Liara an advantage. Although I could be biased because I use Liara way more often than Tali as a squadmate in ME1.

[Invisible Man]

I think it was stated in the codex that continuous fire from 4 dreadnoughts was enough firepower to overcome a reaper capital ship's defenses, and a cruiser could take on a reaper destroyer with a bit of luck 1 on 1. these are from codex entries, so don't say i'm making this up simply to make an argument. I think if you've managed to completely bring the races together there should be enough firepower to give a conventional firefight a go. though it's also possible that the codex may be a propaganda tool, and the statements are not completely accurate.

[ImaginaryMatter]

StreetMagic wrote...

Liara always struck me as a competent biotic, but more as a secondary thing (not her life focus, like it is with commandos or hardasses like Aria). I think she's supposed to fill the same role her mother did with Saren. Some kind of advisor or expert on obscure stuff. Err.. or something.

I don't know either. Her role as mind analyzer seems a little forced but that could be because I don't really understand the mind meld thing (I think it could have worked better if Liara herself experienced another Prothean beacon earlier -- and she was able to help because her mind had more time to adapt to it, or something like that). Also, I thought it would have been cool if she had spent her off time analyzing the Matriarch writings or the Prothean data discs or anything within the realm of archeology. Guess I'll have to save that though for my fanfics.

[Almostfaceman]

Due to the really poor default combat AI of my squaddie's in ME1 (they basicly shoot me in the back most of the time) I've never taken any of the character's "combat experience" into much account. I pretty much focused on my Shep, role-played him as carrying the entire squad and kickin' everything's butt pretty much on his own.

That's why Liara's or Tali's non-existent combat experience has never really bothered me. I can understand on an uber-nerd level why it would bother some folks though.

[DeinonSlayer]

I haven't read Homeworlds (as I understand, the gist is that she evades assassins while traveling halfway across the galaxy to get the data implicating Saren to those who can use it), but if you forego the hug on the Alarei in ME2 Shepard reminds her that her father gave her "her mind, and the best military training the flotilla had," or words to that effect. She had extensive training prior to pilgrimage. Between that and her reaction to the ambush when you first meet her, I can buy her being able to function competently on Shepard's team.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 janvier 2014 - 07:16 .

[Iakus]

Invisible Man wrote...

I think it was stated in the codex that continuous fire from 4 dreadnoughts was enough firepower to overcome a reaper capital ship's defenses, and a cruiser could take on a reaper destroyer with a bit of luck 1 on 1. these are from codex entries, so don't say i'm making this up simply to make an argument. I think if you've managed to completely bring the races together there should be enough firepower to give a conventional firefight a go. though it's also possible that the codex may be a propaganda tool, and the statements are not completely accurate.

Stop trying to mess with the art!

Hopelessness and gritty compromise are DEEP and ARTISTIC!  If the protagonist doesn't heroically die to bring about a partial victory, then you just want rainbows and unicorns!

Stop trying to assume the galaxy has any hope or Shepard uniting the galaxy has any meaning 

Modifié par iakus, 07 janvier 2014 - 07:27 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Due to the really poor default combat AI of my squaddie's in ME1 (they basicly shoot me in the back most of the time) I've never taken any of the character's "combat experience" into much account. I pretty much focused on my Shep, role-played him as carrying the entire squad and kickin' everything's butt pretty much on his own.

That's why Liara's or Tali's non-existent combat experience has never really bothered me. I can understand on an uber-nerd level why it would bother some folks though.

I use Liara for her Biotics when Shepard doesn't have them, she is incredibly useful on a gameplay front. I would say she's generally the best squadmate in ME1 given that weapon proficiencies don't mean much given how often squadmates fire at Shepard, or mountain sides, or floors, walls, etc.

[Almostfaceman]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Due to the really poor default combat AI of my squaddie's in ME1 (they basicly shoot me in the back most of the time) I've never taken any of the character's "combat experience" into much account. I pretty much focused on my Shep, role-played him as carrying the entire squad and kickin' everything's butt pretty much on his own.

That's why Liara's or Tali's non-existent combat experience has never really bothered me. I can understand on an uber-nerd level why it would bother some folks though.

I use Liara for her Biotics when Shepard doesn't have them, she is incredibly useful on a gameplay front. I would say she's generally the best squadmate in ME1 given that weapon proficiencies don't mean much given how often squadmates fire at Shepard, or mountain sides, or floors, walls, etc.

That's cool. For me, though, biotics are more a nuisance than a help in ME1. Different strokes for different folks.

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

I think it was stated in the codex that continuous fire from 4 dreadnoughts was enough firepower to overcome a reaper capital ship's defenses, and a cruiser could take on a reaper destroyer with a bit of luck 1 on 1. these are from codex entries, so don't say i'm making this up simply to make an argument. I think if you've managed to completely bring the races together there should be enough firepower to give a conventional firefight a go. though it's also possible that the codex may be a propaganda tool, and the statements are not completely accurate.

Stop trying to mess with the art!

Hopelessness and gritty compromise are DEEP and ARTISTIC!  If the protagonist doesn't heroically die to bring about a partial victory, then you just want rainbows and unicorns!

Stop trying to assume the galaxy has any hope or Shepard uniting the galaxy has any meaning 

That's right! Hopelessness and gritty compromise is what drew me to the series in the first place! 

Wait...

[David7204]

Not compromising is nearly always a great deal more 'gritty' than comprising. Compromising is soft and easy.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Not compromising is nearly always a great deal more 'gritty' than comprising. Compromising is soft and easy.

How?

[PMC65]

StreetMagic wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Didn't Liara say she already knew enough to take care of herself against mercs and thugs and had been doing so for years.

She says something about scavengers or wildlife in ME1, if you tell her archaelogist life is boring (the renegade option when you ask her about career).

"Sometimes I would run afoul of indigenous life-forms, or stumble across a small band of mercenaries or privateers. But I was always careful. Until the geth followed me to Artemis Tau, I never found myself in any situation my biotics could not handle." - Liara T'Soni 

"All asari are natural biotics, however some choose not to develop their biotic power." - ME Trivia

Given that she uses biotics, she had some training in her past.  

[dreamgazer]

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's right! Hopelessness and gritty compromise is what drew me to the series in the first place! 

Probably so!

[Almostfaceman]

dreamgazer wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's right! Hopelessness and gritty compromise is what drew me to the series in the first place! 

*snip*

Probably so!

Making some hard decisions doesn't make the overall story hopeless or gritty. The story is rather a hopeful struggle against dark forces. At the end of ME1 I struggle against dark forces to prevail and win, defying the odds, and in ME2 I struggle against dark forces to prevail and win, defying the odds. Obstacles are overcome by positively working together with different races and combined strengths.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 07 janvier 2014 - 08:20 .

[dreamgazer]

Almostfaceman wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

That's right! Hopelessness and gritty compromise is what drew me to the series in the first place! 

*snip*

Probably so!

Making some hard decisions doesn't make the overall story hopeless or gritty. The story is rather a hopeful struggle against dark forces. At the end of ME1 I struggle against dark forces to prevail and win, defying the odds, and in ME2 I struggle against dark forces to prevail and win, defying the odds. Obstacles are overcome by positively working together with different races and combined strengths.

Which you did in ME3 by coordinating the construction of the Crucible, with a hard decision at the end!

Huzzah!