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Can't destroy the Reapers conventionally. Really?


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I always thought it was funny how people still gladly live on the Citadel, even after more people are fully aware of the fact that it's still a cosmic roach motel for the reapers. I'd rather live on Omega and risk vorcha breaking in to steal my furniture than live on the Citadel.


There's an important message in the game about this somewhere..

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CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?

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MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with art

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MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


Something that bugged me ever since

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CynicalShep wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with art


Pretty much. Like I said, they handled the whole Reaper invasion in a dumb fashion. Great game though, until the end.

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AresKeith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


Something that bugged me ever since


Simple. 

Inconsistent writing.

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the Citadel should have fallen even before Earth and bee garrisoned by a thousand Reapers so no one could regain control of the relay network.


Isn't this exact thing what Shepard and co. prevent in ME1?


Did the Reapers somehow lose track of the Citadel between ME1 and ME3?

"Remind me, Harbinger, which nebula did we leave it in last cylce?"
"Herald, You are so not going to be the vanguard this cycle, you'd lose your tentacles if they weren't attatched""


Vigil tells Shepard and co. that they blocked the signal to dark space, and so the Reapers send Sovereign who use the geth and the Conduit to reach the Citadel to activate the relay.  Shepard foils that plan, so the Reapers have to come traditionally (the last scene of ME2) and start the harvest outright.

Sovereign tells Shepard that the Citadel exists 1) to control the pathways of technological development, and Vigil tells Shepard that 2) it is a giant mass relay that would allow the Reapers acess to the galaxy.  It seems immaterial to me if they're already harvesting, especially with the numbers they have.


The game is fun, but the whole Reaper invasion is actually pretty dumb. There's no reason they (the Reapers) shouldn't have taken the Citadel right away and there's no reason they couldn't have shut down the choke points (the Relays) either by manipulation through the Citadel or by just patrolling the Relays. If there were 20,000 Reapers they would have rofl-stomped the Protheans, it wouldn't have taken 100's of years.


Aside from plot convenience, there are legitimate reasons why the Reapers may prefer not immediately attacking the Citadel.

The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

The Reapers are also in no hurry. They may be depending on the races to fend for themselves in order to limit casualties.


As someone pointed out, this is a non-issue since the Reapers have the ability to instantly shut down the relay network.

Initially, at ME3's inception, I thought the reason the Reapes might avoid attacking the Citadel might be due to the station's ability to shut the arms, preventing anyone from accessing it.

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


Plot hole would be the first answer that comes to mind. There's no reason to think that the Reapers shouldn't have the ability to do this, given how the scenario is presented in ME1. Control of the Citadel gives access to the relay network. Why shouldn't the Reapers be able to obtain Citadel control as of ME3? 

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:41 .


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SwobyJ wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I always thought it was funny how people still gladly live on the Citadel, even after more people are fully aware of the fact that it's still a cosmic roach motel for the reapers. I'd rather live on Omega and risk vorcha breaking in to steal my furniture than live on the Citadel.


There's an important message in the game about this somewhere..


Buy moar DLC?

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I always thought it was funny how people still gladly live on the Citadel, even after more people are fully aware of the fact that it's still a cosmic roach motel for the reapers. I'd rather live on Omega and risk vorcha breaking in to steal my furniture than live on the Citadel.


There's an important message in the game about this somewhere..


Buy moar DLC?


Pretty much. :o

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Almostfaceman wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with art


Pretty much. Like I said, they handled the whole Reaper invasion in a dumb fashion. Great game though, until the end.


Thessia, man. Gorram Thessia.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:44 .


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CynicalShep wrote...

Thessia, man. Gorram Thessia.


For me that started at the Cerberus Coup, then Thessia happened

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


I'm betting that the mess Cerberus had left contributed to that.

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
As someone pointed out, this is a non-issue since the Reapers have the ability to instantly shut down the relay network.

Initially, at ME3's inception, I thought the reason the Reapes might avoid attacking the Citadel might be due to the station's ability to shut the arms, preventing anyone from accessing it.

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


If that occurred the Reapers would still be denying the use of the Citadel as a transportation hub and for coordinating resistance.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:49 .


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AresKeith wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Thessia, man. Gorram Thessia.


For me that started at the Cerberus Coup, then Thessia happened


Hell, there were loose nuts and bolts from the very beginning.

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AresKeith wrote...

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Thessia, man. Gorram Thessia.


For me that started at the Cerberus Coup, then Thessia happened


"Oh, I decided to, erm ... take over the Citadel! Yes! Not quite sure what that is going to accomplish and how it's going to work. Not really sure where did the Sith Empire take so many soldiers, either. Or how they smuggled all of them + the weapons + the YMIR mechs and whatnot. But that's not important right now. We will make the coup and consequently defeat the Reapers!"

Modifié par CynicalShep, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:50 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


I'm betting that the mess Cerberus had left contributed to that.


Are you talking about the attempted Coup? I'm not sure how that can be expected to impact the scenario.

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


My personal theory is that Reapers used flow of refugees to smug indoctrinated troopers on Citadel. 

Conquering Citadel with Fifth column would be easier then attack on closed CIatdel, when Catalyst would be at risk.

But this is only my theory.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


The Reapers are idiots.

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


I'm betting that the mess Cerberus had left contributed to that.


Are you talking about the attempted Coup? I'm not sure how that can be expected to impact the scenario.


I still wanna know where the logic was behind that

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ImaginaryMatter wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
The Citadel is still a trap. You see it actively giving the galaxy a false sense of security. If the Reapers attacked the Citadel, it would have united the races much faster.

...enabling them to do ****-all as the relays were shut down, and no effective resistance could be mounted anywhere.


The Citadel should've been taken first.


So why didn't they shut the relays down when they took the Citadel to Earth?


The Reapers are idiots.


There's that, too

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AresKeith wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


I'm betting that the mess Cerberus had left contributed to that.


Are you talking about the attempted Coup? I'm not sure how that can be expected to impact the scenario.


I still wanna know where the logic was behind that


Behind the coup attempt from an indoctrinated Cerberus?

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dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

But as of Cronos Station, ME3 shows just how easily the Reapers can obtain full control of the station.


I'm betting that the mess Cerberus had left contributed to that.


Are you talking about the attempted Coup? I'm not sure how that can be expected to impact the scenario.


I still wanna know where the logic was behind that


Behind the coup attempt from an indoctrinated Cerberus?


More behind Udina who may or may not have been indoctrinated working with them since they never really said other than Shepard and the VS assuming

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"Whining", eh?  Wonder if I should report that? <_<


No point. Some 'bot-mod will just delete my post and send me a stupid PM about it like the mindless drones they are.


Given the only reason we have all these little Reapers is because suddenly one Reaper per cycle (max) isn't enough.  

More Reapers=more Art :D



"Only reason" - ?

Sovereign (ME1): "Our numbers will darken the skies of every homeworld."

... but it's long since been made clear that narrative-continuity only matters to fans when convenient to them.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

Sovereign (ME1): "Our numbers will darken the skies of every homeworld."

... but it's long since been made clear that narrative-continuity only matters to fans when convenient to them.


Yeah ... about that. Sovereign might have exaggerated a bit.