Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
David7204 wrote...
No. It doesn't.The Mad Hanar wrote...
So it stands to reason that Wolfhowl could possibly be correct? Because let's face it, Mass Effect is not a hard science series. All the stretches this series has taken makes Wolfhowl's concerns perfectly reasonable.
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So is throwing rocks at the Reapers but those options are usually dismissed because your average ship-mounted gun has more and can actually hit the enemy (unlike nukes which will get taken out by GUARDIAN batteries)those too are unconventional weapons.
We're back to "hit the enemy with a vessel while in FTL" - yes, that would work once but after that the Reapers would use their superior technology to put bigger FTL drives on bigger astroids and annihilate us even worse - you know, hit every homeworld and come back a thousand years later once everyone's dead from fighting over the planets tiny remaining habitable areas/food/water?With that said, in theory, it should have been possible to seriously challenge the Reapers with unconventional warfare methodology that did not include the crucible. ME lore aside, mount an FTL drive onto a kilometer-sized asteroid and slamming it into a Sovereign class would pretty much do the trick
Then the Reapers jump to FTL (where you can't track them), flank around and shoot you in the back. Plus, where are we going to get the engies to move "a couple thousand" massive asteroids?For that matter moving a couple thousand massive asteroids out in front of the fleet as it enters Sol System to retake Earth would at the very least offered cover and concealment from the Reaper's main gun.
No, it's simply because the ME universe does not lend itself well to space combat... too bad no one thought of that before they got to the final massive space battle.At the very least it would have been super cool if we could have included other elements of warfare into the final battle. I don't think it was writer laziness or time constraints to release the game, I think it was just a lack of understanding of strategy and tactics.
Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
David7204 wrote...
Why don't you take your petulant whining elsewhere, Hanar? You clearly have utterly nothing to contribute here.
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Davids gonna daveThe Mad Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Why don't you take your petulant whining elsewhere, Hanar? You clearly have utterly nothing to contribute here.
What part of what I was saying was whining? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you start insulting people because you don't have a counter-argument.
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Guest_The Mad Hanar_*
David7204 wrote...
Let's clear the air, Hanar. Even your whiny little accusations weren't pathetically clumsy, do I really need to point out how laughably, laughably foolish it is for you to try and argue to me that "science was misused, therefore all science in a series must be thrown out the window and thus using correct science is stupid"? (Which is all you have. And please, let's not waste time by throwing out silly 'strawmen!' nonsense. )The Mad Hanar wrote...
What part of what I was saying was whining? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you start insulting people because you don't have a counter-argument.
Apparently, I do. I suppose I also must pander to you and point out the childishly obvious hypocrisy of whining about Mass Effect and not every other story and video game in existence which might have misused science or bent it for gameplay purposes. Which, trust me Hanar, is all of them. I would expect a 5 year old to grasp that with ease. I suppose I expected far too much out of you.
Guest_alleyd_*
David7204 wrote...
The plague on Omega notwithstanding, anyone with a basic understanding of biology should easily realize there's no way an infection would manifest in a few hours. So it sounds to me your understanding of disease is 'downright stupid.'wolfhowwl wrote...
Sleeping with the tech expert with the compromised immune system right before a critical mission is downright stupid.
Guest_simfamUP_*
The Mad Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Let's clear the air, Hanar. Even your whiny little accusations weren't pathetically clumsy, do I really need to point out how laughably, laughably foolish it is for you to try and argue to me that "science was misused, therefore all science in a series must be thrown out the window and thus using correct science is stupid"? (Which is all you have. And please, let's not waste time by throwing out silly 'strawmen!' nonsense. )The Mad Hanar wrote...
What part of what I was saying was whining? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you start insulting people because you don't have a counter-argument.
Apparently, I do. I suppose I also must pander to you and point out the childishly obvious hypocrisy of whining about Mass Effect and not every other story and video game in existence which might have misused science or bent it for gameplay purposes. Which, trust me Hanar, is all of them. I would expect a 5 year old to grasp that with ease. I suppose I expected far too much out of you.
You misunderstood what I was saying. What I was saying was merely that not every aspect of the story must be rooted in hard science, since there are moments where things that don't seem scientifically solid do happen in the series. Also, you presume that I don't acknowledge that other sci-fi stories do this. On the contrary, the reason I am making this argument is because sci-fi stories can break the rules of real life science. That's why it's science fiction, and not, say, a science documentary. Perhaps you got a certain tone from my response to you, but the tone you got was the wrong one, good sir. Given what we know about Quarians (that they can get sick within minutes of out of suit exposure), it is reasonable to be concerned that maybe, even if every percaution was taken, something may go wrong, and the two of them should maybe try it out on a day less important than the raid on the Collector base. Really, it's sillier to assume that everything in a series has to follow the rules of conventional science, especially when (by your own admission) this isn't always the case. You can pretty up your responses with your own brand of unearned arrogance, but that does not mean that you are right.
Then why does the codex say otherwise? It says "A quarian who wishes to remove their suit must take antibiotics, immuno-boosters, herbal supplements, or the like in order to do so safely, and even then there are inherent risks" so if what Tali says is true then her "treatment" should have only made matters worse.Sorry it was not an infection, but an allergic reaction that effects the Quarian. Proof of this is in this clip
wolfhowwl wrote...
klarabella wrote...
Unconventional: unprofessional, lack of foresight, allergy to strategy and tactics. Some soldier.Helios969 wrote...
I think people are not understanding conventional warfare. Shepard is an unconventional soldier (like a Green Beret, Navy SEAL, or a Delta Force operative.)
Well sleeping with people under your command is unprofessional to say the least.
Sleeping with the tech expert with the compromised immune system right before a critical mission is downright stupid.
After reading the "criteria" that many posters used for the Virmire choice I see that Bioware may have accidentally created a great example as to why fraternization is banned in the military.
alleyd wrote...
And since you could interpret from ME1 alien interactions and LI and the effort placed in justifying the Asari, and that there was nothing regards Quarian and Turian LI's, that the decision to add these LI's may not ahve been in the original vision of the franchise. It could have been added because these characters were popular and Bioware serviced their fan's wishes. Did it suspend disbelief a little too much and break a pre-existing lore frame? IMO yes, and the story did not benefit from gigging Jigyy with a Quarian, and it was framed in the physical realm and Tali did "open her suit to penetration"
J. Reezy wrote...
Davids gonna daveThe Mad Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Why don't you take your petulant whining elsewhere, Hanar? You clearly have utterly nothing to contribute here.
What part of what I was saying was whining? Oh wait, I get it, this is the part where you start insulting people because you don't have a counter-argument.
David7204 wrote...
The plague on Omega notwithstanding, anyone with a basic understanding of biology should easily realize there's no way a natural infection would manifest in a few hours. So it sounds to me your understanding of disease is 'downright stupid.'
dreamgazer wrote...
David7204 wrote...
The plague on Omega notwithstanding, anyone with a basic understanding of biology should easily realize there's no way a natural infection would manifest in a few hours. So it sounds to me your understanding of disease is 'downright stupid.'
I'll remember this, especially the bolded, the next time Lazarus gets brought up.
David7204 wrote...
An 11 out of 10 conventional victory would absolutely have been possible without significantly changing either the Reapers or the galaxy.
I seriously doubt near as many people would be arguing 'The Reapers are completely unstoppable' if ME 3 have had Sovereign class Reapers consistantly being killed in battles Shepard participates in throughout the story.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Seboist wrote...
alleyd wrote...
And since you could interpret from ME1 alien interactions and LI and the effort placed in justifying the Asari, and that there was nothing regards Quarian and Turian LI's, that the decision to add these LI's may not ahve been in the original vision of the franchise. It could have been added because these characters were popular and Bioware serviced their fan's wishes. Did it suspend disbelief a little too much and break a pre-existing lore frame? IMO yes, and the story did not benefit from gigging Jigyy with a Quarian, and it was framed in the physical realm and Tali did "open her suit to penetration"
Making Team Dextro as LIs was such a blatant idiotic and childish LCD pandering move on Bioware's part and adds to ME2's list of lore destruction.
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Modifié par StreetMagic, 08 janvier 2014 - 02:10 .
StreetMagic wrote...
Are they really least common denominator? I thought Tali/Garrus was pretty in demand/popular?
Or do you mean something else?
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I'm not saying that about everyone who did that thought about it, but you really can make a generalization about the type of person who would go for Tali especially compared to the other LI's. It's really not all that flattering.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I'm not saying that about everyone who did that thought about it, but you really can make a generalization about the type of person who would go for Tali especially compared to the other LI's. It's really not all that flattering.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
StreetMagic wrote...
Are they really least common denominator? I thought Tali/Garrus was pretty in demand/popular?
Or do you mean something else?
LCD in this instance means that the people who liked them for the reasons of banging them were omega basement dwellers.
I'm not saying that about everyone who did that thought about it, but you really can make a generalization about the type of person who would go for Tali especially compared to the other LI's. It's really not all that flattering.
StreetMagic wrote...
Tali was like this alternative and tried to be anti-Cerberus too, but it wasn't as dramatic or cool. Her rivalry was more suitable with Legion. I don't really view her in any context other than the Geth issue. I'm not even sure why she's in the game, as the Geth are barely there. And then they dropped the whole dark energy story as well.
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