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[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

If I had to peg one character that fit the bll, it'd actually be Renegade Shep himself/herself. 

This is actually a good point: adding a character so overtly like that type would take away from the game's ability to roleplay that type of PC. 

[CronoDragoon]

jtav wrote...

Am I the only one who's terribly amused by the way this conversation is going? I'm swapping my main MShep out to Jack and I guarantee you I'm as far from the stereotypical Jackmancer as you get.

What is a typical Jackmancer, though? That's what amuses me about this thread of conversation. No one has any idea, really.

[jtav]

Cronos, that's why I said stereotypical, not typical. I do have an image of Jackmancers being very alternative and Renegade-leaning. I'm...not. I even like Miranda and Cerberus. And if this Shep were any more repressed and straight-;aced, he'd be a cartoon character.

[Br3admax]

Romances are srs bsns.

[dreamgazer]

I dunno what you'd consider me, but Cid Shepard romanced Jack.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I can nominally see it with Garrus, but I don't really see any of these traits with Thane.

The mysterious bounty hunter? Really?

Yeah, but he's not the grizzled variety. He's more of the pious enforcer. That kind of goes against what I was saying.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I can nominally see it with Garrus, but I don't really see any of these traits with Thane.

The mysterious bounty hunter? Really?

Yeah, but he's not the grizzled variety. He's more of the pious enforcer. That kind of goes against what I was saying.

Right.  The "grizzled" traits happen between Garrus and Zaeed. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, James kind of fits too. I mean, him and Zaeed are both Walters' characters. I think he could've written it if he had consolidated some of these ideas into one character.

Little bit of Thane and Garrus, too. I think that's probably why they didn't end up doing something like the Han Solo character type: those personality traits were already scattered around to the other characters, mostly in ME2. 

I can nominally see it with Garrus, but I don't really see any of these traits with Thane.

Garrus is a too awkward and goody-goody, James isn't fleshed out enough and has too much of an inexperienced vibe, Zaeed is too much like the grizzled old veteran and far too psychopathic.

If I had to peg one character that fit the bll, it'd actually be Renegade Shep himself/herself. Unfortunately, he/she can't romance themselves. Heh

Walters hints that that is how he sees Shep too, if given the choice. Like in ME2, Joker says "Zaeed is like you. Except he takes checks." In ME3, Vega compares Jack and Femshep, if you let him call Shep "Lola". Loco is self-explanatory.

That is how I play my Shepard, more as the wise-cracking, garruish, irrepressable scoundrel with a penchance for danger and adventure. And when the chips are down, he becomes a very scary being. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I can nominally see it with Garrus, but I don't really see any of these traits with Thane.

The mysterious bounty hunter? Really?

Yeah, but he's not the grizzled variety. He's more of the pious enforcer. That kind of goes against what I was saying.

Right.  The "grizzled" traits happen between Garrus and Zaeed. 

Principled warrior monk is what I'd peg Thane as.

[CronoDragoon]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That is how I play my Shepard, more as the wise-cracking, garruish, irrepressable scoundrel with a penchance for danger and adventure. And when the chips are down, he becomes a very scary being. 

Malcolm Reynolds?

StreetMagic wrote...

Thane and Garrus are funny. To me, Thane turns out to be the actual "Archangel", even though you have it in mind to recruit an Assassin. Garrus, if left to his own devices, is pretty fanatical. I don't know if I'd call it angelic.

Well angels are pretty fanatical.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 08 janvier 2014 - 03:53 .

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Principled warrior monk is what I'd peg Thane as.

He's still a mysterious, psychologically-troubled professional killer, though.

[Br3admax]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Principled warrior monk is what I'd peg Thane as.

He's still a mysterious, psychologically-troubled professional killer, though.

I wouldn't even call him a warrior monk. I doubt that the most devoted of his species actually do what he does. He's an assassin who follows a religion that humans wouldn't understand. That simple. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:05 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That is how I play my Shepard, more as the wise-cracking, garruish, irrepressable scoundrel with a penchance for danger and adventure. And when the chips are down, he becomes a very scary being. 

Malcolm Reynolds?

To a degree, though a lot more unfettered.

My Shepard is not a fundamentally 'good' guy. He's a true neutral, or even neutral evil character in some lights. 

And he's a goal oriented person who doesn't believe in a universal morality, considers good vs evil to be idiotic and limiting and is more or less above it, and is perfectly willing to resort to using innocent civilians as lab rats in experiments if a situation calls for it to reach his goals. It's one reason why he legitimately believes in Cerberus, coming from an innate understanding of war and conflict. He's willing to have compassion and mercy for his enemies with their one chance, and if they blow it... you can figure it out.

He does not hate his enemies, simply sees them as obstacles to be overcome. He's an anti-hero on a good day, and downright genocidal murderer on a bad one. He tries to be a bit more like the Ninth and Tenth Doctors, but, as I said, if something gets in the way of his objectives, he will annihilate it. Don't mess with the Normandy itself (not the crew, the ship) or put Miranda in danger, or you will be annihilated. Those are really his only berserk buttons.

He is more or less a high-functioning sociopath as well. He has an aversion to pointless or needless violence, believing that a lot of it can be ignored if people would just learn to think and communicate.

When he does kill, he has no consious or guilt or remorse. If he feels sorry, it's more for what could have been had his opponent not put him in that situation than disgust with his own actions. He's psychologically incapable of having PTSD. Possibly, PTSD has even caused him to reach a point of... enlightenment about conflict. He is very much like Colonel Kurtz, Kilgore, and Willard in Apocalypse Now! He understands the true underlying philosophy of War is not honor or glory, but victory. 

To an extent he does have his companions as a sort of morality chain, though this can be easily broken. Really, the only person he has is Miranda, who he knows will love him and accept him whatever he does if it means working towards saving the galaxy.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 08 janvier 2014 - 04:16 .