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[addiction21]

Hollorous wrote...


None of that was expressed here however. You didn't give your opinion at the topic, just insulting people for not liking Zev because they don't like the idea of a man hitting on them, specially one whos sex obsessed.

Self Esteem is about how you value yourself.....I'm not really seeing how it relates to being uncomfortable of the thought of guy-guy action here.

Your right it is not a self esteem thing but more of being comforatble with your own sexuality. When you are there is no need for a "No ******" statement when you compliment a man or say anything that could be mistaken as queer or the need to reafirm your preference to a bunch of anonymous strangers.

Also she did not insult anyone but made a comment about what another poster commented on yet you did not pick him out. You instead took that opportunity to attack her.

[andar91]

I love Zevran and I'm male. Granted, I'm gay, but that isn't why I like him. I just think he's a great character. I didn't romance him at first either (am in the midst of a second playthrough where I will).

[addiction21]

oh and if this line of discussion continues I am sure the thread will be locked.

[Sarielle]

Hollorous wrote...

Well....Leliana is different, and Zevran is unique. While bisexual, she has other things that drive her. She speaks about the maker a lot, her banter with others is great.

When speaking of sexuality and Zevran, they are kind of the same thing. Leliana touches upon this herself when speaking to Zevran, that there are other things in life that are more important than "knocking boots."

So you object to him being pervy and overly-interested in sex? To him being shallow? That's not nearly the same kind of response as "no, I like girls" type thing I'm talking about here.

I have been told once you get past the facade he's a much deeper character...but I haven't gotten to know him well on Sarielle, because my character would be embarrassed/offput by his dialogue, so I can't say for certain. But that's neither here nor there, of course Just a small aside.

[ericsa]

I had my third character be my female to tap that. He's da bomb

[Creature 1]

Hollorous wrote...
Well....Leliana is different, and Zevran is unique. While bisexual, she has other things that drive her. She speaks about the maker a lot, her banter with others is great.

When speaking of sexuality and Zevran, they are kind of the same thing. Leliana touches upon this herself when speaking to Zevran, that there are other things in life that are more important than "knocking boots."

Nope, you're totally off-base.  IMO Zevran is a deeper character than Leliana, although I admit not romancing her yet so I am somewhat biased.  

[Hellsteeth30]

You do have to consider Zevrans background as well, which goes a long way to explaining why he is how he is.

[addiction21]

Sarielle wrote...

Hollorous wrote...

Well....Leliana is different, and Zevran is unique. While bisexual, she has other things that drive her. She speaks about the maker a lot, her banter with others is great.

When speaking of sexuality and Zevran, they are kind of the same thing. Leliana touches upon this herself when speaking to Zevran, that there are other things in life that are more important than "knocking boots."

So you object to him being pervy and overly-interested in sex? To him being shallow? That's not nearly the same kind of response as "no, I like girls" type thing I'm talking about here.

I have been told once you get past the facade he's a much deeper character...but I haven't gotten to know him well on Sarielle, because my character would be embarrassed/offput by his dialogue, so I can't say for certain. But that's neither here nor there, of course Just a small aside.

First impressions and all that stuff ya know. I would go with the jokes and overtly sexual comments are a cover up for his wounded soul. Or something like that.

[Sarielle]

addiction21 wrote...

First impressions and all that stuff ya know. I would go with the jokes and overtly sexual comments are a cover up for his wounded soul. Or something like that.

Lol, well if I met a Zevran in real life I would enjoy his company immensely, based on his lack of shame and light-hearted attitude. Sarielle however is a bit on the conservative side. 

[qw12po09]

People who find Zevran shallow and only about sex, are the ones that were too afraid of the fact that he's bisexual to talk to him and get to know him as a character. It's simple as that. There is absolutely no way you can go through Zevran's storyline, and still consider him nothing but a sleeze or a horndog, or completely about sexuality by the time you are done.

To that end, I think Zevran's romance is one of the most fulfilling romances in the game. Leliana and her jar of eyelashes and watching you when you sleep has a certain appeal....I guess. Alistair's romance has the appeal of "First love", but seems to dry up quickly. (He immedietly falls in love, almost freakishly quickly and blindly, and then builds up to omgsex, and then...peters out after that.) Morrigan's romance is...uh...

Whereas Zevran's romance is honest, and actually develops over time. (Opposite of Alistair, you start out with sex, and it turns into more.) He develops as a character as he comes to terms with his feelings, and in the end, his endgame sliders are the most satisfying. ESPECIALLY the ultimate sacrifice one. Holy ****.

So yeah. Enjoy your homophobia. You are missing out on one the best romance and one of the most developed character in the game. The game is rated Mature for a reason, eventually people will have to come to terms with the fact that there is more to bisexuality than lesbian sex and threesomes, and that some men do get off on having sex with other men. If the idea of this is too shocking, and the fact that another man hits on your male character in game is too disturbing for you, than obviously you shouldnt' be playing a game rated M. Try something rated PG-13 instead.

/Male who romanced Zevran and was pleasantly surprised.

Modifié par qw12po09, 16 janvier 2010 - 03:56 .

[x S ii N x]

Zevran is a respectably horny bastard that develops feelings and deep emotional attachments.



Other than that I will stick with making a Female character just to get the achievement...

[Sarielle]

Hollorous wrote...

@Sarielle, reply incoming soon.

That sounds ominous

[addiction21]

Sarielle wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

First impressions and all that stuff ya know. I would go with the jokes and overtly sexual comments are a cover up for his wounded soul. Or something like that.

Lol, well if I met a Zevran in real life I would enjoy his company immensely, based on his lack of shame and light-hearted attitude. Sarielle however is a bit on the conservative side. 

Hmmm so what does the "real" Sarielle think of a chicken with those same qualities?  **cues the boom chika wow wow music**

Modifié par addiction21, 16 janvier 2010 - 04:08 .

[daddytat]

I got him in my first playthrough as my 4th companion after accepting dog. My character flirted with him and I was really shocked at the outcome. I laughed till I cried. We kept the entire romance going the entire game and even though I (in real life) would choose Morrigon, my character was forced to choose between the two and picked his favored Zevvy.

[Sarielle]

addiction21 wrote...

Hmmm so what does the "real" Sarielle think of a chicken with those same qualities?  **cues the boom chika wow wow music**

A chicken? Colour me intrigued.

[Barrendall]

I don't care for Zev at all personally. The character is written brilliantly, he just gets on my nerves. "shrug"

[qw12po09]

Hollorous wrote...
I like the arrogance of your post though. You assume I'm homophobic, because I'm touching on a PC topic. I'm not going to bother dignifying it with an answer. Keep the PC glasses on.

I actually wasn't addressing you at all. If I had been, I would have quoted one of your posts, and then called you a homophobe. I did not. I was responding to the topic as a whole, and the very obvious responses of many posters who discredit Zevran's entire character because of the fact that he is bisexual. Perhaps you should try not applying everything you read to yourself personaly, you will find yourself becoming offended less often.

As for your other points, I found a lot of Zevran's party banter to be more than about sex. He talks to Sten about how elves are treated in Seheron. He talks to Alistair about how he came across the contract to assassinate the Grey Wardens. He talks often to Oghren about how dwarves and elves get along with humans. He talks to both Leliana and Alistair about his tattoos, something that defines him. Yes, he talks about sex, and I find his banter about it endlessly amusing. But he talks about other things too. Especially to the PC.

Also, when characters bring up the fact that he is in a relationship with the PC, he doesn't deny it, or act embarassed. He is proud of the fact that he is romancing you, whereas Alistair or Leliana do everything they can to deny it, and are embarassed by the fact anyone noticed.

Yes, all the other characters open up to you and tell you more about their past. However they do not particularily grow or change for the PC as much as Zevran does, nor do they come to terms with the fact that they are experiencing something entirely new. If you are questioning just how deep Zevran is as a character, than maybe you should try getting him to 100 approval and engaging him in conversation. If you are only talking to him about sex, then you are picking the wrong dialouge options, or something. He is a great insight into Antiva and the Antivan crows, politics,  the lifestyle of an assassin, and elf/human relationships throughout much of his dialouge, on top of the fact that he's an experienced lover and assassin, Party Banter or PC discussion both.

Sex&relationships comes up with more characters than just Zevran. Alistair gets embarssing discourses on the birds and the bees from Wynne, asks Leliana how to seduce a woman, and gets teased by Morrigan about having sex. Morrigan makes shameless come-ons to Sten to tease him. A hardened Leliana will openly return flirting with Zevran, as well as make several come-ons to other characters. Because the fact that he is an assassin and has lead a dubious lifestyle helps shape who Zevran is, does not mean that it is ALL who Zevran is, the same way the fact that Leliana was a bard who slept with another woman does not make her entire character, either. (I could go through all the other characters and give various more examples, but I've tl;dr'd enough and I'm pretty sure I've made my point.)

Modifié par qw12po09, 16 janvier 2010 - 04:21 .

[DragonRageGT]

andar91 wrote...

I love Zevran and I'm male. Granted, I'm gay, but that isn't why I like him. I just think he's a great character. I didn't romance him at first either (am in the midst of a second playthrough where I will).

Same here and I'm not gay. My feminine side is... lesbian! But I have friends and relatives who are and while we don't go partying together, they are fun people. (And living with the same woman for the past 16 years kinda makes it hard for me to go partying anyway). 

Zev is not only a great character. He's a sex machine! Isabella clearly shows he's a 1st grade latin lover. Being Brazilian I find it cool that women still like that since it's not only a legend, well, except for the French! And while he may have pleasure with males, he say at some point that he prefers women. (but that might just be he lying to get into someone's pants or dress, who knows...)

I haven't romanced him with my male chars but I see no reason no to do it with my female chars. Although it is still a big mess in one of my PC's head about  what really happened inside Isabella's ship. I was sure that it was a fun time with regular couples, like I had a few with some friends and their girlfriends long ago when we were all young, but then Leliana, who joined us in the Ship along with Zev and Isabella, came pressuring me to choose between her and Zev? LOL... well, what happens inside a 4 walled room (or cabin for that matter) stays inside. I thought it was weird that such event triggered Leliana's reaction because right after that, while she didn't want to mention it again, she seemed tempted by Zev's suggestion that we don't talk about it as long as we may do it again!

I wouldn't generalize about men having self-steem issues because the thought of homosexual flirt or the actual man-on-man action is repugnant to them. It has a lot to do with their upbringing, religion and experiences. I find more disturbing when I read about some churchs offering the "cure" for homosexuality as if it were a disease. Pity they can't find a cure for fanaticism, ignorance or prejudice in general.

[Sarielle]

RageGT wrote...

I wouldn't generalize about men having self-steem issues because the thought of homosexual flirt or the actual man-on-man action is repugnant to them. It has a lot to do with their upbringing, religion and experiences. I find more disturbing when I read about some churchs offering the "cure" for homosexuality as if it were a disease. Pity they can't find a cure for fanaticism, ignorance or prejudice in general.

Just to clarify, I wasn't talking about guys who are a wee bit uncomfy about being hit on by a guy. I know it can be awkward. I'm also not talking about guys who are offput by guy on guy action. I'm not the least bit interested in girl on girl, so I get where you're coming from.

I was referring to people who can't see anything about a character (or let's extrapolate, a person) but his sexual preferences. Or who loudly and vigorously proclaim their own heterosexuality.

Modifié par Sarielle, 16 janvier 2010 - 04:28 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Bibdy wrote...

His banter mid/at the end of combat is a pain in the ass.

I sense a homosexual  pun in there somewhere.


However, back on topic. I like the character of Zevran, I even removed Leliana as my designated box opener, and replaced her with Zev. He reminds me of a mix between Drizzt (sorry if I miffed the name) and puss in boots. Quite a funny lil man he is.

[qw12po09]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...
However, back on topic. I like the character of Zevran, I even removed Leliana as my designated box opener, and replaced her with Zev. He reminds me of a mix between Drizzt (sorry if I miffed the name) and puss in boots. Quite a funny lil man he is.

Amg. xD I'm so glad someone else noticed the comparision between Zevran and Puss in Boots too. Omg. There's SO much the same. From how they act, their accents, how they encounter the main character, and even the fact that one of Zevran's special gifts is a pair of boots. Rofl.