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qw12po09 wrote...

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However, back on topic. I like the character of Zevran, I even removed Leliana as my designated box opener, and replaced her with Zev. He reminds me of a mix between Drizzt (sorry if I miffed the name) and puss in boots. Quite a funny lil man he is.


Amg. xD I'm so glad someone else noticed the comparision between Zevran and Puss in Boots too. Omg. There's SO much the same. From how they act, their accents, how they encounter the main character, and even the fact that one of Zevran's special gifts is a pair of boots. Rofl.


Pal your in a long list of people that have noticed :)

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A chicken? Image IPB Colour me intrigued.


Well technically I would be called a rooster or a **** (rhymes with rock)

As for Zevran and his character I would go with the conlusion that his jokes and overt sexual remarks are a defense mechanisim to prevent him or anyone from getting to close. A product of his enviroment and job. He was raised in a brothel and to be a assasin so getting close to anyone is a very unwanted thing in either profession. Shown by one of the conversations about a mark falling out of a carrige if I remember it correctly.

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qw12po09 wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...
However, back on topic. I like the character of Zevran, I even removed Leliana as my designated box opener, and replaced her with Zev. He reminds me of a mix between Drizzt (sorry if I miffed the name) and puss in boots. Quite a funny lil man he is.


Amg. xD I'm so glad someone else noticed the comparision between Zevran and Puss in Boots too. Omg. There's SO much the same. From how they act, their accents, how they encounter the main character, and even the fact that one of Zevran's special gifts is a pair of boots. Rofl.



A lot of my friends who have played the game have noticed his similarities. lol But yeah I agree I love how they created the character. But when my main character (male) got to the sex scene (for the achievement) I tried hitting X so fast, but unfortunately saw both characters in the buff, lol. So I reloaded and went on to boning Morrigan :D

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qw12po09 wrote...

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I like the arrogance of your post though. You assume I'm homophobic, because I'm touching on a PC topic. I'm not going to bother dignifying it with an answer. Keep the PC glasses on.


I actually wasn't addressing you at all. If I had been, I would have quoted one of your posts, and then called you a homophobe. I did not. I was responding to the topic as a whole, and the very obvious responses of many posters who discredit Zevran's entire character because of the fact that he is bisexual. Perhaps you should try not applying everything you read to yourself personaly, you will find yourself becoming offended less often.


I am of the view that Zevran is a very shallow character.....read your first paragraph and then apply the rest.

As for your other points, I found a lot of Zevran's party banter to be more than about sex. He talks to Sten about how elves are treated in Seheron. He talks to Alistair about how he came across the contract to assassinate the Grey Wardens. He talks often to Oghren about how dwarves and elves get along with humans. He talks to both Leliana and Alistair about his tattoos, something that defines him. Yes, he talks about sex, and I find his banter about it endlessly amusing. But he talks about other things too. Especially to the PC.


Obviously I was exaggerating. But on the whole Zev is mostly the character I described.

If you were to describe all the characters in 3 words without having to get 100 rating for them, what do you think that most people would describe zev as? sleezy, funny, ****ty I would assume, or something along those lines. His character is very shallow. He openly admits to it.

Naturally, the PC gets him to open up. But it still doesn't change the party banter to a point, or the overall feel of the guy. Okay, he changes because hes with you. What if you don't decide to romance him? He's still the same guy he was. The other characters change, with you or without you romancing them.

Also, when characters bring up the fact that he is in a relationship with the PC, he doesn't deny it, or act embarassed. He is proud of the fact that he is romancing you, whereas Alistair or Leliana do everything they can to deny it, and are embarassed by the fact anyone noticed.


Thats a point of view thing. Some people like their relationship to be between them. Don't need to show it to the world and all that. Zev takes a different point of view. I don't really think one is any worse than another.

Yes, all the other characters open up to you and tell you more about their past. However they do not particularily grow or change for the PC as much as Zevran does, nor do they come to terms with the fact that they are experiencing something entirely new. If you are questioning just how deep Zevran is as a character, than maybe you should try getting him to 100 approval and engaging him in conversation. If you are only talking to him about sex, then you are picking the wrong dialouge options, or something. He is a great insight into Antiva and the Antivan crows, politics,  the lifestyle of an assassin, and elf/human relationships throughout much of his dialouge, on top of the fact that he's an experienced lover and assassin, Party Banter or PC discussion both.


Zevran does not grow if you do not romance him. He's still the same character. I'm assuming you know what he does if you do not spend the time to getting his rating up. Name me one other character that does this to you. Zev needs nurtured and possibly lust to even begin to consider changing, and considering you spared his life, you need to pamper him or get him interested in your character for him not to do the thing he does.

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He had some very good banter, was a twisted sort though as what he 'approved of' and what he didn't approve of wasn't that consistent. I only had him with my group once as he is by far the hardest to justify having in your group because of how you meet him and the fact that he blatantly lies about his abilities.

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I still never got my promised response.<_< I'm just sayin'.

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I like him rather well.

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Not true. You don't have to romance him at all to have him become your character's friend.



Let's see, if Alistair is either 100% friendly or 100% in love and you spare Loghain, he flips out and either tries to usurp the crown so he can kill the guy or runs off and gets drunk while you clean up the Blight. Zevran, on the other hand, either turns on you to save his life if he doesn't like you, or does not interfere if he is indifferent to you, and if somewhat friendly (even if not romantically) will fight for you.

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>_> I hate when people use the Loghain incident to say Zev is better than Alistair. Loghain was Ali's crisis moment. Its not like you fight the people who inslaved Zev and then go "By the way join us!" Oh NO.



God I'm so sick of that argument.

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Sarielle wrote...

I still never got my promised response.<_< I'm just sayin'.


Try responding to about 3-4 different people.....it's hard


I'll make it short though by comparison.

Some people don't like Alistair. Some find him too "wimpy" and thats a turn off, as well as something they don't like about him.

Other people don't like Zevran because he flirts with their PC male. As they put it. " No, I like girls"

Is one any more correct than the other here?

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As an assassin if i love you enough, i will open up to you because i have decided that I won't kill you. For the rest of my casual or convenient companions, I will be a little more distant because tomorrow I may accept a great deal of gold to dispatch you into the next dimension. Know your enemy, but just enough to make each day fun. Less money to spend on funeral attire out of your pocketed earnings you see ;)

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Hollorous wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

I still never got my promised response.<_< I'm just sayin'.


Try responding to about 3-4 different people.....it's hard


I'll make it short though by comparison.

Some people don't like Alistair. Some find him too "wimpy" and thats a turn off, as well as something they don't like about him.

Other people don't like Zevran because he flirts with their PC male. As they put it. " No, I like girls"

Is one any more correct than the other here?


I was mostly teasing about that. ^_^


And IMO...yes. But we can agree to disagree, yes? :wizard:

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Not true. You don't have to romance him at all to have him become your character's friend.


But you DO have to nurture him. One would think sparing his life and the fact that he swore an oath.....Like I said, sleezy and shallow.

Let's see, if Alistair is either 100% friendly or 100% in love and you spare Loghain, he flips out and either tries to usurp the crown so he can kill the guy or runs off and gets drunk while you clean up the Blight. Zevran, on the other hand, either turns on you to save his life if he doesn't like you, or does not interfere
if he is indifferent to you, and if somewhat friendly (even if not romantically) will fight for you.



Turns on you to save his life? When I played that scene, I was defending Zev, even told him not to do it, but he did it because he wanted to. Who could touch the Grey Wardens? He tried and failed. He tried and failed AGAIN. Loghain tried. The Blight tried. ALL FAILED. There is not a safer place to be than with the company he was in.

As for Ali......

Hm. Let me see. The guy kills his mentor. Kills his half brother. Tries to have him assassinated. Makes up lies. Tries to obliterate the existance of the grey wardens. Lies about Ostagar. Blames Wardens for the kings death.

I really don't see Ali doing ANYTHING wrong there considering all of that. Imagine how much HATE you would have for a person had one person ALONE done all these things to you, and it's justified. The man does not deserve to live.

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Sarielle wrote...

Hollorous wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

I still never got my promised response.<_< I'm just sayin'.


Try responding to about 3-4 different people.....it's hard


I'll make it short though by comparison.

Some people don't like Alistair. Some find him too "wimpy" and thats a turn off, as well as something they don't like about him.

Other people don't like Zevran because he flirts with their PC male. As they put it. " No, I like girls"

Is one any more correct than the other here?


I was mostly teasing about that. ^_^


And IMO...yes. But we can agree to disagree, yes? :wizard:


Well to me they are the same side of the coin. Not liking someone rarely has a justified meaning, other than if the persons an ass.

But if you wish, I don't mind ;).

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I always kill him or let him go because I hate his accent and voice.

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//I'm just going to go ahead and mark this as spoilers for Zevran's romance//

Hollorous wrote...
Zevran does not grow if you do not romance him. He's still the same character. I'm assuming you know what he does if you do not spend the time to getting his rating up. Name me one other character that does this to you. Zev needs nurtured and possibly lust to even begin to consider changing, and considering you spared his life, you need to pamper him or get him interested in your character for him not to do the thing he does.


You are wrong. Zevran will develop whether he is romanced or no. And if you consider getting a characters approval up through talking/gifts "pampering", then I fear to know what the state of any of your character relationship are like. O_o Zevran is actually proven to be the EASIEST character to +100, you can get him to +40 through dialouge alone the first night in camp with him, give him either boots or gloves to unlock his next batch of diaouge, which pushes you to at least +70 or +80. The rest of the gold/silver bars you get, and the fact that he approves of nearly EVERYTHING you do in game (Or at least doesn't take dissaproval hits, he's very easy going.), makes getting +100 with him a breeze. I had a much more difficult time maxing approval with characters like Oghren or Alistair. (Try playing through a morally ambigious playthrough with Alistair as your main tank, if you want to talk about nurturing or high maitenance characters.)

But actually, my first playthrough did not romance Zevran at all, I turned down his offers because I was focusing on romancing a different character, and never had him beyond (Interested.) And yet he does develop. He takes your friendship very seriously. Friends are something the crows do not have, and something he does not view you as unless you try expanding on your relationship with him.

I'm just going to highlight the parts of his character that stood out the most for me;

You kill Talisen in Denerim, and later in camp, Zevran thanks you for doing it, as it's saved him from the crows. You tell him, We're friends, I was glad to do it. He tells you "You say that so easily, and yet it is such an odd thing for me to hear. In the Crows, we do not have 'friends', and yet here we are, and I cannot help consider you such." You say "We are Comrades-in-arms." (Note the very distinct lack of romance in this?) And he comes out with:
"Then allow me to say this. What we are doing here, stopping the blight, I have never done anything in my life so worthy. I intend to see this through to the end with you...after all, someone has to stop your untimley death, a suitable task for a friend, yes?"

The conversation can continue after that, but that is a line that really stands out that Zevran has changed. He originally came to Ferelden to kill you, because he had just killed the only woman he'd ever loved in cold blood, and then found out it was for nothing. He wanted to die, so he threw himself into the contract of killing you, because he was sure it would mean his death. Instead, you allow him to live and give him the chance to start a new life. He goes from a character who just doesn't care and treats your PC like a piece of meat like he does any other person, to a character that truly values your friendship, and is willing to "storm the dark city's gates, if only to be at your side." Unromanced, he ends the game at your side, devoting his life to rebuilding the grey wardens along with you. Should you choose to fully romance him, and make the ultimate sacrifice? He mourns your loss in Denerim, serving the throne to distract himeslf, but when that doesn't work he goes back to Antiva. He takes over the crows, but even then he remians distanced from all your other companions. And "Despite the offeres of many bed mates, never loves again."

Even the fact that no matter what to choose to do with your character at the end of the game, he stays at your side, should count for something. He will help you rebuild the Grey Wardens. He will help you as you help Alistair rule as king. He will stay as your "mistress" if you become king/queen. He shows a loyalty that NONE of the other charcaters show you. (Alistair's crisis moment at the landsmeet. Wynne and Leliana's crisis moment with the urn of ashes. Shales crisis moment in the Deep Roads. Morrigan's crisis moment during the dark Ritual.) The only "crisis moment" Zevran has, is if you do not have high enough approval when Talisen makes an offer, in which case he will betray you, but imo, you deserve it. If you do not care to have him as a friend, why should he care to have you as a friend in return?

And I'm assuming that, for the crisis moments I listed, you have the characters at 100% approval.

So yes, obviously he is a very shallow charcater, and lacks any kind of loyalty or development at all. /sarcasm.

Modifié par qw12po09, 16 janvier 2010 - 05:29 .


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Actually Zevran reminds me of my friend, who is gay by the way. It's his sense of humor, self-confidence, it's how he speaks his mind. Difficult to explain but it's definitely there. And I love him for that.

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I never really had a chance to get to know Zevran and his impact on the game. Sadly, my first introduction to him before we met made me not like him and his intentions. When we did actually meet it was not under the best of terms. That was the first and only time I dealt with him which did, of course, have repercussions with future decisions and courses of action that I took in the game to achieve goals that I had.

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I suspect qw12 likes to slam his/her head against walls.

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:< I'm waiting for a game patch to finish downloading so I can gb2playing it.

Until then, I have a lot of free time, which I spend being argumentive on forums. I am a product of the internet.

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I wish there had been a crisis moment for Zev a real one that no matter what happened he ditched you. (BTW Oghren doesn't seem to leave if you screw with his "crisis moment" either.) Frankly realistically speaking there are some lines that people won't accept anyone crossing no matter how important they are to them (Unless of course said person happens to be a doormat).

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Yeah. Compared to the other characters, Zevran is amazingly laid back. And Oghren too, you're right! Since I think Oghren is too amazingly permanently drunk to really care. <3 But I take it as Zevran's point of view, the life he lead before, and the oath he swore to you.



If he considers your final goal extremely worthy and swore to stay at your side when you spared his life. He's an assassin who was raised by ****s, and I think living lifestyle he did, no matter how many kittens you kill, he's still better off helping you stop the blight than he would be if he was on his own. xD

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qw12po09,



You put everything very eloquently and I could not agree with you more, unless perhaps you had a newsletter I could subscribe to as well. As addiction21 points out, however, I suspect some people might just be posting to wind people up.



There's a line that almost broke my heart at the very end of the game that Zevran will say to you, I heard it once and it was once too many - it's altered all my subsequent playthroughs so he never says it again.

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Just to point out, I've had to skip the last 6-7 posts (skimmed even more) due to spoilers ;p

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addiction21 wrote...

I suspect qw12 likes to slam his/her head against walls.


I will take that insult seriously when its from someone not with a signature that implies the mental age of a 15 year old.

On topic, QW, everything you have discussed, is relationship development. Not his actual character.

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Hollorous wrote...
On topic, QW, everything you have discussed, is relationship development. Not his actual character.


Then by your reasoning:

Morrigan is an evil hermit.
Alistair is a whiny ex-templar who becomes king even though he doesn't want to, just because he doesn't have the stones to say no.
Leliana is a creepy priest who used to be a ****, who had a vision from god to help you.
Wynne is a self righteous old lady.
Sten is a murderer.
Oghren is a drunk who doesn't care about his life.
Zevran is a ****.
Shale is a spiteful hunk of rock.

And this is what they all are, the entire game.
Huh.

If that's how you view all the characters in the game, it's a wonder you even bothered to continue playing it. The biggest strength of Dragon Age is character development, and how closely it intertwines with the story, after all. I guess you play for the blood and the lesbian sex scene, then?

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