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[Foxhound2121]

Is it normal for me to hate all canadian kids now?

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 18 avril 2013 - 06:51 .

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

Ash/Kaidan. The person you let die on Virmire. Well not them but their form.

[Felya87]

Ashley/Kaidan depending on who died on virmine would have made a lot more sense than the casper. it was a wound in shepard career, and the first personal sacrifice she made in the war against the reaper.
avina would be good too...or something like Vigil would even be better. or Shepard herself. sadly, the clone have been used for Citadel.
or the continuous change of form as in the DLC leviathan. the problem is not totally in the catalist, (a part from the Huey, Dewey e Louie endings) is in the child-we-have-no-idea-why-we-dream-about-him. without IT, really don't make any sence.

a part the need of change pusher for who wrote that ending thinking it was for deus ex and not for mass effect 3.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'd have enjoyed it if it did a bit of the Levithan thing where the perceived form constantly shifted.

So you'd have some kid there... but also Virmire dier, also Anderson, also Mordin, also a bit of everyone who had died to that point and/or had been a presence in Shepard's dreams.

[fchopin]

The kid was perfect.

[ThinkSharp]

I thought the kid was fine, but as Han and Mega said, would have liked it to have the scene presented more like Leviathan's.

I don't really have a good replacement that would work plotwise, but how awesome and terrible at the same time would it be if it was Hackett?

Or, for a twist on the dead squadmates idea, the assembled (or alternating) appearance of your entire crew a la Citadel?

[TheJediSaint]

Nobody; I wouldn't have had a catalyst at the end.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 18 avril 2013 - 09:32 .

[SpamBot2000]

Nothing at all.

[BHRamsay]

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

Ash/Kaidan. The person you let die on Virmire. Well not them but their form.

This or maybe the Diadect ... ok not the Diadect blame that on too many rounds of Halo4. Just the idea behind that character

The Catalyst would be some ancient warrior-scientist

[schebobo]

I can't remember now, but was the kid in Vancouver real?

Modifié par schebobo, 18 avril 2013 - 10:29 .

[N7-RedFox]

Originally Javik was supposed to be the Catalyst - the one who could trigger the Crucible and rid the galaxy of the Reaper threat. Which would have made a lot more sense seeing as how the Crucible was supposed to be a Prothean device. But somewhere along the way, Bioware (or rather Casey) decided that the Star Brat storyline and its artsy fartsy explanations for the Reapers was a better idea... logic be damned.

[FOX216BC]

 This guy!

[Mangalores]

FOX216BC wrote...

 This guy!

Seconded. It's at least a Reaper/villain we know the name of and have met before. A completely taken over TIM might also work.

[BronzTrooper]

Someone I can punch in the face with a Renegade interrupt.

[Rhayak]

1- a cat

2- a smoking-hot chick.

[TheProtheans]

What I don't understand is the form and people's argument against IT being a valid interpretation.
His form is ridiculous,makes no sense and does not fit the image the Reapers give off throughout the Series.
However the only way this form could be used were to be if the Reapers are indeed inside Shepards head.
They would have to be or else this form would not exist.
Obviously this gives off the impression they're appealing to his thoughts and more or less indoctrinating him.

Which raises the question, why not the VI or someone else dear?
But the logical answer is that the writers did a hash job of the story and have no idea of the meaning/implications of the stuff they blindly put in.
Perhaps to cause speculation and encourage sales, but if it has no logic or reasoning then it is really just bad writing in perhaps an attempting to raise sales.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 18 avril 2013 - 11:18 .

[Han Shot First]

schebobo wrote...

I can't remember now, but was the kid in Vancouver real?

Yes.

A hint that the kid that was real is that in Vancouver and the dream sequences he looks real, whereas the Catalyst just looks like a V.I. imitation of a real person, kind of like Avina. If the kid on Vancouver was merely some symptom of Reaper indoctrination, the Catalyst at the end should look identical to the kid seen on Earth and in the dreams.

Shepard saw a real child die on Earth, and the Catalyst chose to appear in a form that had some psychological significance to Shepard.

[N7-RedFox]

TheProtheans wrote...

What I don't understand is the form and people's argument against IT being a valid interpretation.
His form is ridiculous,makes no sense and does not fit the image the Reapers give off throughout the Series.
However the only way this form could be used were to be if the Reapers are indeed inside Shepards head.
They would have to be or else this form would not exist.
Obviously this gives off the impression they're appealing to his thoughts and more or less indoctrinating him.

Which raises the question, why not the VI or someone else dear?
But the logical answer is that the writers did a hash job of the story and have no idea of the meaning/implications of the stuff they blindly put in.
Perhaps to cause speculation and encourage sales, but if it has no logic or reasoning then it is really just bad writing in perhaps an attempting to raise sales.

This was because Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wrote the ending without the rest of the team. Time was short thanks to EA deadline confinements so the two of them locked themselves in a room until they came up with an idea to use for the ending. Star Brat was the best they could do. Clearly they DID need the rest of the team and if they had have used them then maybe we would have gotten something better.

[George Costanza]

Hard to say. I would pretty much want to remove it entirely. If it has to be there, I would rather it had been Harbinger. If it had to remain the Catalyst, then I'd rather it had taken the form of the Virmire casualty, or someone like that, that means something to Shepard.

[ChaplainTappman]

TheProtheans wrote...

What I don't understand is the form and people's argument against IT being a valid interpretation.
His form is ridiculous,makes no sense and does not fit the image the Reapers give off throughout the Series.

The Catalyst chose that form because it wanted to convince Shepard to choose Synthesis. Appearing as a Reaper, spouting the same arrogant "we will kill you" that we're used to, will not endear Shepard (i.e., us) to its goals and logic. It makes perfect sense if you (the general you, not you specifically) get over yourself and your notions of what the ending "should be" and acknowledge that BW thought about what they were doing. The Catalyst is not an "info dump," it isn't BW telling us what their "canon ending" is. The Catalyst is a character within the game, with its own goals and motives. It is seeking to manipulate Shepard into choosing Synthesis, and chose a form designed to engender sympathy. We as humans are hard-wired to find kids cute and appealing.

However the only way this form could be used were to be if the Reapers are indeed inside Shepards head.
They would have to be or else this form would not exist.
Obviously this gives off the impression they're appealing to his thoughts and more or less indoctrinating him.

The Reapers might be trying to indoctrinate Shepard, and it's absolutely true that the AI wouldn't have chosen that form without having, say, scanned his/her brain. But there's a huge cognitive leap between "they're trying to indoctrinate Shepard" and "Shepard is obviously indoctrinated."

[Wulfram]

Some geometrical thingy like Vigil, probably.  Definitely not the kid, that's just symbolism without actually symbolising everything.

Though really I wouldn't have included the catalyst at all, or at least not at that point. Exposition on the purpose of the reapers should have already been taken care off during Rannoch, and the nature of the Reapers should have been explained during Horizon and Cronos (and Leviathan, probably). Then the final choice between Control and Destroy should have been presented by TIM, who was responsible for creating the Control option, but is unable to enact it because of Indoctrination.

Modifié par Wulfram, 18 avril 2013 - 01:08 .

[TheWill]

A thorian hooked up to a VI just like project overlord... The leviathans solution to controling synthetics...

It could have sat under the council tower.. with its tendrils reaching throughout every ward arm...

Now that would have been awesome....

[Lady Sif]

Mangalores wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

 This guy!

Seconded. It's at least a Reaper/villain we know the name of and have met before. A completely taken over TIM might also work.

Agreed! I like the idea of him taking over TIM! I still miss Harby in me3 

[TheWill]

i suppose if the kids body in vancouver was harvested.. the catalyst would then have his gentic memory..and would be aware of shepards attempt to save him and that shepard witnessed him die...

i dont think shepard was ever indoctrintated by the reapers.. just manipulated... manipulated with loss and the fear of losing anyone else...

and the final straw comes when the catalyst appears as the child... a symbol of innocence and loss.
never trust an AI that appears as a child.. have movies taught us nothing lol.