If they bring back Loghain (if he survived in DAO) and Alistair (if he still alive and became Hardened King) as temporary companions for several missions will you have them both as companions to see the banter they will have?
I still remember they orginally planned that Loghain can be recuited without Alistair leaving in DAO but they scrapped that. Still the banter still remained in DAO data.
If they bring back Loghain and Alistair in DA3
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 06:36
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Well I don't think they can be in a same room without some kind of trouble. Loghain can be reasonable, (after you put him to shame in the Landsmeet. Before that, he was an over confident, self obsessed ****) but Alistair never forgive him for "killing" Cailan and Duncan, let alone fighting along side him.
As for their come back in DA:I, well I don't know. Though if they do it, it should be better than King Alistair cameo in DA2. It was clearly fan service and made almost no sense.
It also depends on whether you made Alistair king in DA:O or not. Though since they made comic about King Alistair, I suppose that will be default setting. Other scenario will only happen if you import saves from previous games I think.
As for their come back in DA:I, well I don't know. Though if they do it, it should be better than King Alistair cameo in DA2. It was clearly fan service and made almost no sense.
It also depends on whether you made Alistair king in DA:O or not. Though since they made comic about King Alistair, I suppose that will be default setting. Other scenario will only happen if you import saves from previous games I think.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 07:08
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In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 07:11
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If Loghain appears he should be sitting on the roof of the Grey Warden HQ, drinking a beer while watching Orlais destroy itself.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 07:12
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In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
And in my game he isn't. Are people really that self-centered around here? "It's not in my canon so it's irrelevant." There are certain variables that aren't in my canon that I want to be recognised for the sake of the game itself.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 07:28
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simfamSP wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
And in my game he isn't. Are people really that self-centered around here? "It's not in my canon so it's irrelevant." There are certain variables that aren't in my canon that I want to be recognised for the sake of the game itself.
You can't consider every variable, because it makes the import and the story writing difficult. Something has to be canon. I think the majority of people killed Loghain, because he is more or less presented as villain and with that it could be possible that Loghain is canon dead in DA3 and those with him alive have to bite the bullet.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 12:15
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Of course you can. Ambition and skill.
Of course you can. Ambition and skill.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 01:07
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simfamSP wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
And in my game he isn't. Are people really that self-centered around here? "It's not in my canon so it's irrelevant." There are certain variables that aren't in my canon that I want to be recognised for the sake of the game itself.
aparently you are considering you want recognision for the fact you didn't do what other did
honestly if BW start brining too many people back from the dead honestly it would only hurt the rep at this point
but as for having him be in the GW if anything he should have been in DA2 during the Qunari invasion if anyplace.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 02:16
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Doubt it for the main game but for a "Thedas Citadel" kind of DLC this idea would rock ^^
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:02
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simfamSP wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
And in my game he isn't. Are people really that self-centered around here? "It's not in my canon so it's irrelevant." There are certain variables that aren't in my canon that I want to be recognised for the sake of the game itself.
The problem is the shear number of variables so it will either be diluted or something will be canonized and will cause frustration for I can think of a lot of different outcomes.
For Alistair: Dead, King (alone), King (Anora), King (Warden), Exiled, lives as a Grey Warden
Loghain: Dead (Landsmeet), Dead (Archdemon), lives as a Grey Warden
So if they bring those two characters in they are going to have to try to account for all those variables or remove the choice the player has made. If they try to account for all those variables its probably going to be not a very deep moment in the game just like a lot of the Mass Effect 2 character cameo's in Mass Effect 3.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:05
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EdwinLi wrote...
If they bring back Loghain (if he survived in DAO) and Alistair (if he still alive and became Hardened King) as temporary companions for several missions will you have them both as companions to see the banter they will have?
I still remember they orginally planned that Loghain can be recuited without Alistair leaving in DAO but they scrapped that. Still the banter still remained in DAO data.
I had no idea these exchanges existed - thanks for the share.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:13
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If Loghain appears he should be sitting on the roof of the Grey Warden HQ, drinking a beer while watching Orlais destroy itself.
THIS.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:17
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well to be on topic I think alistar would be like duncan duncan duncan the whole time
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:20
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Bfler wrote...
simfamSP wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
And in my game he isn't. Are people really that self-centered around here? "It's not in my canon so it's irrelevant." There are certain variables that aren't in my canon that I want to be recognised for the sake of the game itself.
You can't consider every variable, because it makes the import and the story writing difficult. Something has to be canon. I think the majority of people killed Loghain, because he is more or less presented as villain and with that it could be possible that Loghain is canon dead in DA3 and those with him alive have to bite the bullet.
I absolutley agree, but some recognition of him being alive would do it for me. Others might want an entire side-quest, but I call that superflous.
Yes, every variable is a huge undertaking, especially when this is a FRANCHISE and can go in many ways. But decisions such how Harrowment and Bhelen should be considered. If not, at most, OGB which is a huge plot-point and essential to the universe.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:22
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Osena109 wrote...
In my game loghain is dead i choped off his head and Alistair is King
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:37
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Fandango9641 wrote...
EdwinLi wrote...
If they bring back Loghain (if he survived in DAO) and Alistair (if he still alive and became Hardened King) as temporary companions for several missions will you have them both as companions to see the banter they will have?
I still remember they orginally planned that Loghain can be recuited without Alistair leaving in DAO but they scrapped that. Still the banter still remained in DAO data.
I had no idea these exchanges existed - thanks for the share.
I wish they did kept the ability to keep Loghain and Alistair to be recuited without losing the other because this banter chat shows Loghain actually feeling regret and seek redemption for his actions rather than being a AO as we originally thought.
They probably originally planned this becuase it was another way to get the "Perfect" Ending without needing to hardened Alistair.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 03:45
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They can keep it. I didn't like Alistair, at all, the Kleenex box in my sig was designed specifically for him. Loghain was interesting, but is also dead, so that I could kill Alistair, or drive him off.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 04:17
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If you spared Loghain and let him join the Warden, Alistair became a drunkard bum, not a king.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 04:48
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If you spared Loghain and let him join the Warden, Alistair became a drunkard bum, not a king.
That is not always true. Here's how:
1) Harden Alistair.
2) When you reach Arl Eamon's Estate in Denerim and rescue Anora, talk to Anora and propose that marrying Alistair is the best compromise.
3) Go straight to Alistair and run it by him. If your approval and coercion are high enough, he will go for it.
4) Go straight back to Anora and confirm the marriage.
5) At the Landsmeet, The Warden duels and defeats Loghain. He accepts Logain as a candidate. Alistair will protest and quit the Wardens. The player then reminds Alistair of his commitment to marry Anora. Alistair will agree to marry Anora but will refuse to fight with you.
6) Do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan.
Voila: Warden lives, Loghain lives and goes on to be assigned to Orlais, Alistair is King.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 04:52
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Oh, and on topic, if you spared Loghain in Origins he'll likely be back in DA3.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 07:19
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It would actually make sense if Loghain comes back considering he told the Warden in Awakening that his going to Orlais.
Alistair already had a cameo in DA2 so he I sure as hell won't cry tears if he doesn't show up in DA3.
Alistair already had a cameo in DA2 so he I sure as hell won't cry tears if he doesn't show up in DA3.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 08:19
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Would be the best cameo ever.Northern Sun wrote...
If Loghain appears he should be sitting on the roof of the Grey Warden HQ, drinking a beer while watching Orlais destroy itself.
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 08:31
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DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
It would actually make sense if Loghain comes back considering he told the Warden in Awakening that his going to Orlais.
Alistair already had a cameo in DA2 so he I sure as hell won't cry tears if he doesn't show up in DA3.
Actually Alistair may appear again in DA3 if he is king since DA3 is more about politics and issues between countries and within countires. Most likely we may see Anora as well if she is made Queen.
However, if DA3 does have Alistair appear I'm guessing Hardened Alistair will have more influence towards helping in your goal whatever path you choose to take.
(Still planning to go for prevent the war from starting ending for me)
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 09:26
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I liked both characters and I would love to see them in DAI, maybe helping you in the quest to save the entire world .
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Posté 18 avril 2013 - 10:32
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I doubt both of them will ever be in the same room without trying to kill one another.
Only a very contrived situation could force them to work with each other.
Anyway, I doubt they'll use many (if any) resources to adress the eventuality that you have let Loghain live and didn't have him kill the Archdemon. I predict that little to noone who hasn't read the books has spared Loghain. Out of the people who did, most had him sacrifice himself to redeem himself.
Only a very contrived situation could force them to work with each other.
Anyway, I doubt they'll use many (if any) resources to adress the eventuality that you have let Loghain live and didn't have him kill the Archdemon. I predict that little to noone who hasn't read the books has spared Loghain. Out of the people who did, most had him sacrifice himself to redeem himself.
