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the slynx

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There have been a few 'BotB' discussions on here recently, which got me thinking. I've gone through my screenshot collection (when I was tracking my progress that way, to honestly appraise it with different kits, etc.) and decided to do a retroactive experiment.

I was curious how a relatively bad player like myself, who has never managed to solo Silver, has little experience in Gold or higher, has played only intermittently these last few months, hasn't maxed out Rares let alone URs, scores poorly when matched up with BSN players and has a god-awful connection to most hosts, compares to people with the 'Best of the Best' banner in PUGs. In short, how much better is the BotB than a pretty average player?  Based on my totally scientific findings, with photographic exhibits (assuming I get these to work - never done images on BSN before):

Exhibit One

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(A and B)

The last place guy has BotB; not hosting. Match parameters only partially random. The top guys both have more Gold experience than I do, and seemed to be decent players. BotB here was competent but not stellar. (And at least he didn't get himself eaten by a Ninja Crab in the final seconds of one game, like I did.) The leader impressed me, though. Good use of the TSent.

Also, this set of matches marked my own best play subjectively, although it didn't translate into big scores.

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Top guy (host) with BotB. He seemed pretty good. Not much to compare to; I was lagging out badly here, and could barely follow the match. (Even the game was confused, and kept generating nonsensical +0 messages after completion.) Pitiful performance on my own part, and my ego wants me to destroy the evidence, but in the interest of science, I've included it. The banner redeems itself.

(D)

Top guy (seen on the forum a few times) had BotB (hosted). He was good; probably the best of the BotB that I recorded. A bit laggy again. The banner looks increasingly strong. My own performance was middling, but I somehow scored well enough - probably the other randoms weren't very good.

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(E)

Top guy BotB (host). I do not recall this match at all. Apparently I used a mystery assault rifle on my TSent (not an accurate one, based on headshots). I never do this; I must have been drunk.  Regardless, the BotB was clearly the best player this time; another win for the banner.

(F)

Last guy, BotB (host). He went down a lot, which was odd, since he used AIU.  Laggy match; Crusader shots, powers disappeared a lot. Came close to rage-quitting several times. Just an awful match. No one looked good here, other than Cerberus.

(G)

Last guy, BotB (off-host). One of my first Gold matches. Not a great showing for the BotB (getting outscored by a Gold rookie) but not a disaster, I suppose. The match time is flat-out bad.

(H)

Third guy, BotB (off-host). This ended up being a pretty good team, and fairly evenly matched. Probably the best match of the bunch from a squad point of view.


Results:

BotB finished tops in three matches, last in four, and third in one. The scrub who can't solo Silver beats BotB in score five matches out of eight. For what it's worth, BotB hosts five of eight matches (I host none). That said, BotB players average around 99 000 points, compared to 86 000 for yours truly. (For the period I recorded my results, this is a bit lower than my average.)

In brief, the BotB group as a whole performed unevenly, and averaged out to be pretty close to a normal, run-of-the-mill PUG denizen in terms of score and in my own subjective evaluation (sync-killed a bunch of times when avoidable, not gelling or using missiles frequently, getting over-run in ways that should have been predictable, etc.).

Leads me to wonder which banners people tend to view as being good signs of a player's ability, if any.

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Caldari Ghost

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the only thing in the player ticker that matters at all are the challenge points.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 18 avril 2013 - 04:12 .


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NuclearTech76

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Banners don't mean that much, nor does N7. The only thing they show is that a player has at least some experience playing the game. They maybe the best player to ever play the game or the worst. I go more on loadout to tell if someone is likely to be a liability.

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Boog_89

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Wow...

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HolyAvenger

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You don't know how many of the other players in those games were also BotB holders.

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XPERIA_Z

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BOTB is not always the Best.

That's all.

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When pugging gold, surfing lobbies many time I outscore BotB and/or ten-thousands challenge point ppl. Challenge points is just question of time and played games, not skill. The only challenge that tells something about the players skill is the Lone Wolf, but considering how easy to solo bronz/silver/gold with certain classes on certain maps (Giant for example) it is not so much.

Face it, BotB banner and/or ten-thousands challenge points do not vindicate automatically that the player is exceptionally good or even just good.

As I see now I will have BotB within a month with very convenient playtime schedule, but there are classes that I simply suck, I know, and I will still when having BotB, there are that I am very good with. BotB will not make me a good player with those classes that I cannot drive good (like Drell Vanguard, I always die horribly|).

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Anyone with enough time and dedication can get the BOTB banner. That doesn't necessarily mean they are great players.

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Faulcun

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The biggest fault in your logic here is assuming that anybody who wears that banner automatically is supposed to be on the top every time.

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Geist.H

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BotB is a grind based achievement, no skill involved.

It only indicates that said player should at least understand the very basics of the game after so much time played, but even that is not 100% sure.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

You don't know how many of the other players in those games were also BotB holders.



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XPERIA_Z wrote...

BOTB is not always the Best.

That's all.


BOTB = 25 Challenges completed and nothing moreB)

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the slynx

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To be clear, I'm not suggesting this is anything like a fair or definitive test. (Thought my sarcastic language in the first post indicated this.) I just figured it would take a few minutes to toss it together, and some people might find it interesting.

As to some of the comments: true, I don't know which other players had BotB unused (although based on Challenge points, most of them didn't, and I can certainly say I don't have it). Also, in regards to loadouts, I leave a lobby if I think someone's got something terrible going and the others ready up for it. I agree that BotB doesn't necessarily correspond to much but perseverance.

Edit: I also don't assume BotB are going to top scoreboards - but there certainly are a few people who seem to believe they should be at least near there. (Honestly, I'd expect them to be better than me, though.) Personally, I don't care at all what banner someone has and I think the top score threads here are strange.

Also, things like connection issues: I can't measure non-host experience. For all I know, they were all lagging out and are normally much better.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I think two (would need to check) of the BotB banners were the Femshep, which I believe can only be set via N7 headquarters, implying BSN members. Am I wrong on this?

Modifié par torudoom, 18 avril 2013 - 03:22 .


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Simba501

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Thanks for sharing. It's pretty interesting.

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Daxamite

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the other problem is what if someone else is using their account to play (friend, partner etc).

But yes, from personal experience, a lot of people carrying BOTB never seem to be playing particularly awesomely, even if using normal kits and not difficult ones (i'd say its uncommon for a random PUG to be smashing a game with turian saboteur for example)

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I love trolling PUGs with my banner. Just drop by, take a class I'm very bad with and slap an Avenger or Predator and ready up. They always seem excited to have a BotB among them so they ready up as well no matter if there are crappy loadouts in the lobby and well... your pictures tell the rest of the story :lol:

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GallowsPole

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He was BotB. He suckered you scrubs into easy credits.

KACHING leech

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cory257383

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I don't get these threads. Every BoTB that I play with certainly has earned it and easily better then any random I find.

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i got Botb and i'm not a super player like some. I hold my own , can solo gold but not plat. ( i haven't tried mind you , and don't really care to ).
And there are all kinds of factors, a botb might come in with a kit he's not that comfortable with but wishes to explore .
And that banner mostly come from grinding runs after runs after runs , many on silver , even bronze because of the stupid N7 mastery .

And i think most people who have it don't ever show it.. i know i don't.

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Eh, can you guys stop dissecting BoB banner players like some extraterrestrial species? No one is challenging you with that banner, it´s just nice picture.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

You don't know how many of the other players in those games were also BotB holders.


Preach! Brotha Preach!!!

If that didn't hit the nail on the head?!

GAME OVER.Image IPB

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Dr. Tim Whatley

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Why are people taking the banner description literally?

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ndw542

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I don't know a single player who has BoB (myself included) that displayed it for more than a day or so after acquiring it. It just means you shot a lot of things with a lot of different things in a lot of places.

With the Kroguard + lolreegar, and now the AIU, the Gold solo component is meaningless, and Nomad can be acquired by leeching off of more competent Gold players for a sufficiently long time (or even by stubbornly wiping with other bad players on early Gold waves enough times).

I prefer the Maw-guts Grunt banner for awesomeness, personally.

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Very hard to quantify it sometimes.

Take yesterday played various games with one host and while it didn't feel that laggy I was at far from my best. Went down much too often. Played the same kit same map later, on a different host got double the earlier score and hardly went down.

Just luck or better connection or just didn't suck as much. Wish I knew. I don't host all that often when playing with friends so it's not just on/off host that makes a difference.

It could be loadout for Challenges if you are running with a Harrier and they have an Avenger then you'll probably kill things quicker.

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ndw542 wrote...

I don't know a single player who has BoB (myself included) that displayed it for more than a day or so after acquiring it. It just means you shot a lot of things with a lot of different things in a lot of places.

 

Eh I used to not wear it, but now I do. 

It doesn't mean I think I'm the best player in the lobby or anything. But f*ck it I earned it, so I'm gonna show it off,