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[Gill Kaiser]

Rip504 wrote...

Let's be honest,ever met a 22+yr old virgin???
Didn't think so.

I am one. It sucks.

[Naltair]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Let's be honest,ever met a 22+yr old virgin???
Didn't think so.

I am one. It sucks.

Go get laid it's pretty easy.

[Keltoris]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Let's be honest,ever met a 22+yr old virgin???
Didn't think so.

I am one. It sucks.

<- Working on it.

[Naltair]

marshalleck wrote...

This virgin discussion is a little bit...weird. Just because someone has had sex before you got to know them doesn't make your relationship with them less meaningful. Ugh.

Yeah I agree there, let it go virgin or not it does not make a big deal unless well that is your whole appeal with her...

[Willowhugger]

Personally, I disliked the fact that the Renegade option was not giving her the data. The original description of the Paragon was a stickler for rules and the Renegade description was a person who broke the rules to get the job done. I guess I like to imagine the Renegade isn't just the a****** option.



I still gave her the data because while I'm a Renegade, I'm not bad.



I think it'll probably give us +10 to our Talifluence (if I may coin a term) in the game when it carries over.

[Naltair]

As a Spectre he can do anything, his compliance with the Alliance is a courtesy; my Paragon Shepherd won't screw them over but he knows he has a new boss and a new role and that gives him rather flagrant leniency to do what he can to make Humanity look it's best. Helping the Quarians through Tali is a diplomatic coup that helps everyone win.

[Gill Kaiser]

I had no idea some of the Tali fans cared so much if she's a virgin or not. Personally for me it's not really an issue.

[Naltair]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I had no idea some of the Tali fans cared so much if she's a virgin or not. Personally for me it's not really an issue.

Same here, my Shepherd is here to save the Universe not quibble over who has bumped uglies with who.

Modifié par Naltair, 17 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[marshalleck]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Tali is so unimposing that she didn't even ask for the data itself; she merely wanted to copy it. Hardly an unreasonable request and certainly not a breach of ethics to allow her to do so, I would say. The Alliance still gets the data if you let her copy it, so it's a win-win situation. Not only that, it could be read as a token gesture of good will between humanity and the largest fleet in the galaxy.

And yes, I think Shepard's line could have been better.

As a paragon Shepard say somethin like "it would be unprofessional as a soldier to allow you to have a copy without you going through the proper channels." And even though we all love Tali, that's technically right, maybe not morally right, but it's not professional for a marine to go behind his superior's backs.

I'm not sure how it was going behind their backs though. The mission was to eliminate the geth, not secure the data for the Alliance. Coming across it was pure happenstance.

[Naltair]

marshalleck wrote...

I'm not sure how it was going behind their backs though. The mission was to eliminate the geth, not secure the data for the Alliance. Coming across it was pure happenstance.

Yeah my thoughts exactly, it's win win for everyone.

[marshalleck]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I had no idea some of the Tali fans cared so much if she's a virgin or not. Personally for me it's not really an issue.

It seems like it's rooted in jealousy, to me.

[Naltair]

I always went with the view that Renegade was the fastest path to getting things down no matter the cost; as long as I live and I win who cares what happens. It seems fairly self-focused and based on the ends. gets the job done but damn the costs.



While Paragon for me was rooted in finding a better ways to do things and always weighing the costs. Not always taking the "easy" path because you find the costs to others abhorrent and willing to shoulder the burden of responsibility for your tough decisions.



Neither path is easy really but I find myself to naturally want to be selfless.

[Willowhugger]

I said in another thread that paragon and renegade boils down to what is ethical and what isn't. It's a much better approach as opposed to "following the rules" vs. "following your own rules".

Which sort of defeats the purpose of Renegade.  It's not meant to be the "evil" option.  Both Shepard are Big Damn HeroesTM.  They're just heroes in a different way.  Better to play Shepard as Superman vs. the Punisher, not Superman vs. Lex Luthor.

But yes, presumably the Alliance have procedures for turning over intelligence rather than unilaterally turning it over to one of your buddies.

Modifié par Willowhugger, 17 janvier 2010 - 02:57 .

[Naltair]

Yeah I have to agree both styles are flip-sides of a heroic coin. Shepherd will never be cowardly and unless I am way off base he will never submit to the Reapers, but other then that he is a blank slate.

[marshalleck]

My renegade weighs the costs of the decisions he makes, in fact, he's motivated to leave as little to chance as possible. His job as a Spectre is to neutralize threats to stability, not trust in the power of good to change people. It's an admittedly ugly business, but then again not everyone is cut out for that line of work. I try to avoid the overtly stupid, thuggish, borderline-racist options though. My RenShep is perfectly willing to work with other species to accomplish a mission and he has no problem with aliens, unless they are causing trouble--in which case he'll terminate them with extreme prejudice. He'd treat humans the same way.



I don't think Tali would necessarily object to any of that either. In my view I think she occupies a rather grey area of morality. She had absolutely no qualm with hunting those geth and killing one to retrieve its memory core.

[izmirtheastarach]

My favourite part of playing pure Paragon is the ending. Because in the end, it isn't Shepard who earns humanity the right to a seat on the council. It's the sacrifice of the Alliance soldiers who give their life to save the council.



Paragon is about compromise, courage, and self sacrifice.



And as has been said, Renegade is about doing whatever is needed to achieve your goals, not matter what the cost.

[Naltair]

True I think Tali is very morally grey.

[Gill Kaiser]

Tali's generally nice to people and I think she's probably mostly Paragon... she just has a 'thing' about the Geth.

[Naltair]

I am not saying she isn't nice but I think she would be slightly Paragon but not overly much. If it means anything she is often quick to sacrifice others or stay focused on the mission and ignore outside interferences like on Feros or saving the Citadel Council.

Modifié par Naltair, 17 janvier 2010 - 03:13 .

[marshalleck]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Tali's generally nice to people and I think she's probably mostly Paragon... she just has a 'thing' about the Geth.

Well going back to an earlier point in this discussion (or was it another thread?) I don't think Tali will not get along with a Renegade. Someone was worried that he'd have to be a Paragon to romance her (assuming there is a romance) and I don't think that's necessarily going to be a problem. She is an Admiral's daughter, but let's also not forget how exhilirated she felt by stealing the Normandy. She knows there's protocol but she'll break it if necessary--and get a little thrill out of it in the process.

[Gill Kaiser]

Yeah, I don't think Tali's the type to force her own beliefs on others. I think she'd probably attempt to dissuade you if you were planning to do something she completely disagreed with, but I generally think she's pretty accepting.

[RVonE]

Her boot knife makes no distinction between paragon and renegade; she'll mess you up all the same!