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[DcIhNaGv3z]

The into is comically over dramatic. But nonetheless, thanks for posting! Lots of good info and similar to what I do, albeit I spec out of the turret completely.

[AnAverageGamer]

There's a lot of great info in this video.

I actually play my Juggernaut very similarly to this already, with a few key differences. I, personally, would much rather forget the turret entirely and take the damage reduction for more shields. It allows you to skip a shield update to the Hex Shield and you can instead take the casting damage, which is helpful since it tends to be deployed right in front of enemies anyway. You can skip the shield updated with it because shield updates to the Juggy also affect the Hex Shield.

I also take Armor and Barrier damage to the Siege Pulse shots as opposed to a 4th shot because, as you said in the video, it's better to have the shots hurt and in higher difficulties EVERYthing has armor and barriers.

In terms of the Hardened Platform skill tree, I like to take a caster route more than a weapons route. I take capacity upgrades and power damage upgrades because the Siege Pulse shots do a ton of damage, stagger, and being able to fire them all off, then quickly requeue them again for your protection, as well as the ability to quickly do more damage I find is more useful than carrying around a heavy gun.

I've found a lot of success taking the Piranha and Arc Pistol in for my weapons because, as you said in your video, the Piranha dominates in CQC and the Arc allows the Juggernaut to snipe at a distance with a hard hitting weapon. Neither weapon is that heavy, especially when the capacity is chosen, so you can do a ton of damage with the weapons while still maintaining the ability to use Siege Pulses both offensively and defensively.

I'm not trying to badmouth your video with this comment, by the way, just sharing another build which I think works about as well as what you suggested. Your video is still an excellent guideline to how to play the Juggernaut considering, as you said, most ignorantly use it as a melee tank.

[flibber89-2]

I liked the vid good job guys..

Couple things and this is just based off platinum pugs,

1)any juggernaut that backpedals and runs from enemies isn't worth a flying ****.. they won't keep killing pace with other powerful offensive kits and they are just hurting their team by being ******.
2)this character shouldn't really need a guide however it may be the character that has the most build options while still being useful there aren't a lot of you'd be a complete fool if you didn't take 6A moments with this guy.. because I do think that this character can score low and still be extremely useful not like the pug volus who spam shield boost and score less than 15K and is complete rubbish

I'm a small hex shielder throw it out the odd time to do jacques plante kick saves on atlas rockets, I max out turret with flamer because I like how it distracts enemies, damages them, and heals teammates all with short cd, max siege pulse for dr and then kill stuff with PPR & Crusader.. love the crusader on this guy.

[megabeast37215]

AnAverageGamer wrote...

There's a lot of great info in this video.

I actually play my Juggernaut very similarly to this already, with a few key differences. I, personally, would much rather forget the turret entirely and take the damage reduction for more shields. It allows you to skip a shield update to the Hex Shield and you can instead take the casting damage, which is helpful since it tends to be deployed right in front of enemies anyway. You can skip the shield updated with it because shield updates to the Juggy also affect the Hex Shield.

I also take Armor and Barrier damage to the Siege Pulse shots as opposed to a 4th shot because, as you said in the video, it's better to have the shots hurt and in higher difficulties EVERYthing has armor and barriers.

In terms of the Hardened Platform skill tree, I like to take a caster route more than a weapons route. I take capacity upgrades and power damage upgrades because the Siege Pulse shots do a ton of damage, stagger, and being able to fire them all off, then quickly requeue them again for your protection, as well as the ability to quickly do more damage I find is more useful than carrying around a heavy gun.

I've found a lot of success taking the Piranha and Arc Pistol in for my weapons because, as you said in your video, the Piranha dominates in CQC and the Arc allows the Juggernaut to snipe at a distance with a hard hitting weapon. Neither weapon is that heavy, especially when the capacity is chosen, so you can do a ton of damage with the weapons while still maintaining the ability to use Siege Pulses both offensively and defensively.

I'm not trying to badmouth your video with this comment, by the way, just sharing another build which I think works about as well as what you suggested. Your video is still an excellent guideline to how to play the Juggernaut considering, as you said, most ignorantly use it as a melee tank.

I've recently dabbled with the Siege Pulse spam build... and it is powerful. When I did I took the rank 6 Armor/Shields/Barriers evo like you stated. With passives specced for Power Damage and a  Power Amp IV... it actually does REALLY good damage, and the stagger is top notch.

I also took a Batarian Gauntlet on this build, and specced no shield, full healing turret (since I had no heavy melee healing)... and I was hatesurfing all over the galaxy, and it was awesome. It's nice to be able to Batarian Heavy Melee sync killers with no fear

Those are good weapon choices BTW... I can't even remember what I took when I did that build, b/c I respecced for the video. I know I wanted the Pistol Power Amp, and Engineer Kit though... with passives, Pistol power Amp, Engineering Kit, Power Amp IV... it's something like +110 or 120 Siege Pulse damage... and the turrets main gun got it too... it's the "other" way to play him IMO.

[Wurzelholz]

Nice guide, i really like the idea of actually dealing dmg rather than being a big decoy. Most pugs don't seem to notice that he needs high dps weapons to not get overwhelmed and to be useful.While I wouldn't use your setup personally, it offers a lot of useful things like the large hexshield or the turret, but if you're looking at the plain numbers there are better builds, just compare the numbers: Build 1, Build 2
Especially since build 1 gains more shields when using heay meele which is nice if you're boxed in. Anyways, nice video, great commentary and, it may sound weird, but it's easy to understand for non-native english speakers, i'd be glad to see more stuff like that.

Modifié par Wurzelholz, 19 avril 2013 - 10:20 .

[EdAndEinBebop]

i dare to say the 0/6/6/6 build with harrier and reegar is better for most maps

[AnAverageGamer]

megabeast37215 wrote...
I also took a Batarian Gauntlet on this build, and specced no shield, full healing turret (since I had no heavy melee healing)... and I was hatesurfing all over the galaxy, and it was awesome. It's nice to be able to Batarian Heavy Melee sync killers with no fear

Those are good weapon choices BTW... I can't even remember what I took when I did that build, b/c I respecced for the video. I know I wanted the Pistol Power Amp, and Engineer Kit though... with passives, Pistol power Amp, Engineering Kit, Power Amp IV... it's something like +110 or 120 Siege Pulse damage... and the turrets main gun got it too... it's the "other" way to play him IMO.

A Batarian Gauntlet instead of a healing melee?  That build sounds crazy, but I may just have to try that in Bronze sometime lol

Either way, still solid advice and hope to see more advice vids if I ever get brave enough to run something built for outlandish DPS as opposed to survivability.

[Lathlaer]

I have one question to this build: if you are so set for damage (which I agree with), why not take this 6b evolution and compensate it with damage gear? Both modifiers are additive, so -15% is completely nullified by AR V or Shotgun Amp V or almost completely with Densified Ammo.

That way you have way more shields without sacrificing damage which can be important for people who don't swim in cyclonic modulators.

If you are playing gold, you don't need more than base shields from passives. If you are playing platinum, additional shields may come in handy. You keep mentioning Reegar which is a fantastic weapon on him but ironically it's so good it destroys your argument - give him incendiary ammo and you won't even feel this -15%.

Two juggernauts with reegars, incendiary ammo, targeting vi (run out of shotgun amps) and armored compartments clear platinum cerberus in less than 25 minutes. Tested repeatedly

Modifié par Lathlaer, 20 avril 2013 - 12:41 .

[Bechter]

GallowsPole wrote...

I never claimed Im awesome (seriously) or my Juggy build is awesome.

I didn't knock any Spectre. I simply said I played with a few and they aren't anything special. Another group of guys good at the game. Another team mate. That's a knock? I played with Becther and someone else not too long ago. He had a Collector Adept and I had a Batguard. Reactor Gold. Good game. He came in first by about 20k using rockets. Again. Like any other PUG. Did I think his play was spectacular? Nope. No different than anyone else that knows the game. You guys elevate your stature, not me. I could care less about any group. Its a video game. Id have more fun on the mic than playing if anything else.

Ah. Now its LOLGold...I see. First its lolbronze, lolsilver, now lolgold...

Oy.....its lolPlatinum too with a good squad..
Oh yeah. I got your point...lets see....your squad will whup my ass playing the same kits. Yeah yeah..........yeah....

does this mean I'm the second best player on Xbox since I defeated gallowspole? I have room for more banners. 

[GallowsPole]

Everyone beats me. No challenge there.

[Caineghis2500]

Bechter wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I never claimed Im awesome (seriously) or my Juggy build is awesome.

I didn't knock any Spectre. I simply said I played with a few and they aren't anything special. Another group of guys good at the game. Another team mate. That's a knock? I played with Becther and someone else not too long ago. He had a Collector Adept and I had a Batguard. Reactor Gold. Good game. He came in first by about 20k using rockets. Again. Like any other PUG. Did I think his play was spectacular? Nope. No different than anyone else that knows the game. You guys elevate your stature, not me. I could care less about any group. Its a video game. Id have more fun on the mic than playing if anything else.

Ah. Now its LOLGold...I see. First its lolbronze, lolsilver, now lolgold...

Oy.....its lolPlatinum too with a good squad..
Oh yeah. I got your point...lets see....your squad will whup my ass playing the same kits. Yeah yeah..........yeah....

does this mean I'm the second best player on Xbox since I defeated gallowspole? I have room for more banners. 

Defeat me in thunderdome then you can have the title of best:D

[XPERIA_Z]

GallowsPole wrote...

Everyone beats me. No challenge there.

You beat them. Just RELOAD CANCEL :D:D:D

[Bechter]

GallowsPole wrote...

Everyone beats me. No challenge there.

Also you wouldn't join our party. Thought you like to have fun on the mic. I also remember you playing a juggs not batguard. 

I care little about score. I've never kept or snapped a screenshot like some people. Also I was afraid to reload cancel for fear of you reporting me for glitching. 

Modifié par Bechter, 20 avril 2013 - 02:03 .

[Bechter]

caineghis2500 wrote...
Defeat me in thunderdome then you can have the title of best:D

ill just use your fool proof strategy. Ill enter thunderdome, then DQ myself only to return a week later and claim victory. You have already lost. 

[Caineghis2500]

Bechter wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...
Defeat me in thunderdome then you can have the title of best:D

ill just use your fool proof strategy. Ill enter thunderdome, then DQ myself only to return a week later and claim victory. You have already lost. 

Im glad you acknowledge my immortality.  Coward scrub. Stay beneath me<_<

Modifié par caineghis2500, 20 avril 2013 - 02:12 .

[rnc007]

Bechter wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...
Everyone beats me. No challenge there.

Also you wouldn't join our party. Thought you like to have fun on the mic. I also remember you playing a juggs not batguard. 

I care little about score. I've never kept or snapped a screenshot like some people. Also I was afraid to reload cancel for fear of you reporting me for glitching. 

Fwiw for the record I finished first this game (although I don't remember what I was playing). I believe Bechter was promoting and finished second.

Of course score doesn't matter. I remember thinking you were a competent Jugg. 

@ Cain - we have room for another speed runner tonight as Bechter has misguided priorities (pfft... A real life). Come own some speed run records - I think Bechter may have been holding us down  (j/k...)

[GallowsPole]

Maybe I was a Jug. Thought it was Batguard. I don't save screenshots or post them typically. I happened to take that one after reading dopey threads about Jugs.

I didn't know who you guys were. I usually leave right after the pug is over. I usually don't have a mic on. I get tired of listening to my own breathing in silent games.

i played Batguard with Dullahan

Modifié par GallowsPole, 20 avril 2013 - 02:44 .

[GallowsPole]

 My Run in with the Thunderdome will have to wait until after the weekend. Wifey got me sick and well wifey.  

[Bechter]

GallowsPole wrote...

Maybe I was a Jug. Thought it was Batguard. I don't save screenshots or post them typically. I happened to take that one after reading dopey threads about Jugs.

I didn't know who you guys were. I usually leave right after the pug is over. I usually don't have a mic on. I get tired of listening to my own breathing in silent games.

i played Batguard with Dullahan

bolded is a lie! My legend is know throughout the terminus systems and you seemed to remember a lot of details from our game. I just remember you ignoring our invites and bringing a good juggs to the party. 

PS rnc calling modded controller if you outscored me. 

[SGsunny]

The video is really well-done, very professional and informative. I'm inspired to re-spec back to the big hex shield now.

Heavy melee works for me in situations where I need a quick shield recharge and when I am attracting big mobs while others are escorting or doing objectives. I play on Silver so it can easily withstand the attacks from two atlases or banshees and brutes while charging via HM. Small enemies are good charging stations in-between shooting (I love it when they run to me). I don't have many new guns yet, but Harrier works well so far. If everyone were to bleed out, I usually use missiles to complete the objectives asap then take my time to kill the mobs by luring them around corners.

I've been happily using GJ to farm credits on Silver every since I got it. Sometimes, we could even start a game with just two in the team.

*BTW, I'm really envious of your Cyclonic module IV...almost used up all of mine and so far the best is III

Modifié par SGsunny, 20 avril 2013 - 04:45 .

[megabeast37215]

Lathlaer wrote...

I have one question to this build: if you are so set for damage (which I agree with), why not take this 6b evolution and compensate it with damage gear? Both modifiers are additive, so -15% is completely nullified by AR V or Shotgun Amp V or almost completely with Densified Ammo.

That way you have way more shields without sacrificing damage which can be important for people who don't swim in cyclonic modulators.

If you are playing gold, you don't need more than base shields from passives. If you are playing platinum, additional shields may come in handy. You keep mentioning Reegar which is a fantastic weapon on him but ironically it's so good it destroys your argument - give him incendiary ammo and you won't even feel this -15%.

Why not avoid 6b and NOT have to take gear to compensate for the damage loss... and putting the gear on won't compensate for the 15% loss to powers and melee... then I can also get a myriad of other bonuses including Geth Scanner, Stronghold Package, Weapon Damage gears, Densified as you suggested, etc.

I'd rather kill better and pack a Cyclonic than be a worse killer. Also... as I've said in the video, he gets more out of Cyclonics than any kit in the game. They represent the best value on the Juggy, and I'm a sucker for value.

I use AP ammo on the Reegar with HVB... so I can rip into the boss armor better, and take the spare ammo mod. You do have a good point about the Reegar being so powerful that it can withstand a 15% damage loss... but my Assault Rifle cannot... and I usually take a shotgun amp for the Reegar and just let the Assault Rifle only be benefitted by the ammo powers (and AR Rail Amps are my ultra-rares... I have lots of shotgun amps).

[Lathlaer]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

I have one question to this build: if you are so set for damage (which I agree with), why not take this 6b evolution and compensate it with damage gear? Both modifiers are additive, so -15% is completely nullified by AR V or Shotgun Amp V or almost completely with Densified Ammo.

That way you have way more shields without sacrificing damage which can be important for people who don't swim in cyclonic modulators.

If you are playing gold, you don't need more than base shields from passives. If you are playing platinum, additional shields may come in handy. You keep mentioning Reegar which is a fantastic weapon on him but ironically it's so good it destroys your argument - give him incendiary ammo and you won't even feel this -15%.

Why not avoid 6b and NOT have to take gear to compensate for the damage loss... and putting the gear on won't compensate for the 15% loss to powers and melee... then I can also get a myriad of other bonuses including Geth Scanner, Stronghold Package, Weapon Damage gears, Densified as you suggested, etc.

I'd rather kill better and pack a Cyclonic than be a worse killer. Also... as I've said in the video, he gets more out of Cyclonics than any kit in the game. They represent the best value on the Juggy, and I'm a sucker for value.

I use AP ammo on the Reegar with HVB... so I can rip into the boss armor better, and take the spare ammo mod. You do have a good point about the Reegar being so powerful that it can withstand a 15% damage loss... but my Assault Rifle cannot... and I usually take a shotgun amp for the Reegar and just let the Assault Rifle only be benefitted by the ammo powers (and AR Rail Amps are my ultra-rares... I have lots of shotgun amps).

I take 6b so I don't have to compensate with Cyclonic modulators. I tend to play one up to three kits at a time so I have a lot of consumables of one kind and almost none of the other. Cyclonic modulator is (un)fortunately good on everyone.

Taking 6b is the equivalent of having a cyclonic mod 2.5 (better than cyclonic II, slightly worse than III) all the time.

In short: it's easier to compensate for damage than for shields on him. And yes, your melee will be gimped (which shouldn't matter even according to you, right? Wasn't the point of the video to convince people NOT to use melee as a main weapon?) and yes, power damage will be gimped (I don;t use it).

Of course you can argue that you can avoid 6b AND take a damage gear for more damage and that would be fantastic if you had a lot of cyclonics. Had I , say, 100 cyclonics (II is sufficient) I would follow your lead. Right now I cannot respec him every time I run out of them, let's be realistic.

[megabeast37215]

Lathlaer wrote...

I take 6b so I don't have to compensate with Cyclonic modulators. I tend to play one up to three kits at a time so I have a lot of consumables of one kind and almost none of the other. Cyclonic modulator is (un)fortunately good on everyone.

Taking 6b is the equivalent of having a cyclonic mod 2.5 (better than cyclonic II, slightly worse than III) all the time.

In short: it's easier to compensate for damage than for shields on him. And yes, your melee will be gimped (which shouldn't matter even according to you, right? Wasn't the point of the video to convince people NOT to use melee as a main weapon?) and yes, power damage will be gimped (I don;t use it).

Of course you can argue that you can avoid 6b AND take a damage gear for more damage and that would be fantastic if you had a lot of cyclonics. Had I , say, 100 cyclonics (II is sufficient) I would follow your lead. Right now I cannot respec him every time I run out of them, let's be realistic.

Use moar power amps, shield power cells and adrenaline modules!

Using those up is how I am able to amass Cyclonics (have about 30 III's and 30 IV's)... and I have several friends with over 100 of each.

I use Shield Power Cells on almost all Asari, Power Amps on nade classes/vanguards (except Kroguard/Batguard), Adrenaline Modules on many kits.

Diversify brotha!

Also... sometimes it's smarter to spec a caster kit for full fitness, and take weaker passives, with the plan of using a power amp (AKA speccing around a Power Amp). Some kits are specced around certain gear... I know almost all mine are.

[Geist.H]

Use moar power amps, shield power cells and adrenaline modules!

Using those up is how I am able to amass Cyclonics (have about 30 III's and 30 IV's)... and I have several friends with over 100 of each.

I use Shield Power Cells on almost all Asari, Power Amps on nade classes/vanguards (except Kroguard/Batguard), Adrenaline Modules on many kits.

Diversify brotha!

Also... sometimes it's smarter to spec a caster kit for full fitness, and take weaker passives, with the plan of using a power amp (AKA speccing around a Power Amp). Some kits are specced around certain gear... I know almost all mine are.

In my experience Stronghold Pack + Power Cell III and Fitness 5 > Cyclonic IV on Platinum on any class without DR/great base shields.

The ability to recharge shields 2 seconds > more shield when most enemies will two shot it anyway.

At least that's how I save up my cyclonics.

Modifié par Geist.H, 20 avril 2013 - 11:23 .

[GallowsPole]

Bechter wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Maybe I was a Jug. Thought it was Batguard. I don't save screenshots or post them typically. I happened to take that one after reading dopey threads about Jugs.

I didn't know who you guys were. I usually leave right after the pug is over. I usually don't have a mic on. I get tired of listening to my own breathing in silent games.

i played Batguard with Dullahan

bolded is a lie! My legend is know throughout the terminus systems and you seemed to remember a lot of details from our game. I just remember you ignoring our invites and bringing a good juggs to the party. 

PS rnc calling modded controller if you outscored me. 

LOL....I knew your name from BSN and you played a Collector, that's about it. Maybe a Havoc or Saboteur played too.

I had to look up the messages I got from RNC, they went like this:

You on BSN

and gg later........

I think you guys forgot to invite me to party.  Maybe you did. Im on a lot of pills so I do forget a lot...