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[garrusfan1]

the waves were annoying but the darkspawn need to be changed back to normal in look and movement. and I want the executions back. but I think they should change depending on if it is an axe sword or mace

[Bekkael]

The Woldan wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DA2 was too button mashy. In general.

DA:O's combat was toooo slow.

DA2's combat was toooo fast.

DA:I's combat will be just right?

Looking at the way Bioware approaches gameplay issues combat in DAI is going to be a mixture of too fast & too slow. Or there will be no combat at all.  

Hmm, the option to skip combat maybe? I think I might have heard that mentioned somewhere before.

[Ravensword]

Bekkael wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DA2 was too button mashy. In general.

DA:O's combat was toooo slow.

DA2's combat was toooo fast.

DA:I's combat will be just right?

Looking at the way Bioware approaches gameplay issues combat in DAI is going to be a mixture of too fast & too slow. Or there will be no combat at all.  

Hmm, the option to skip combat maybe? I think I might have heard that mentioned somewhere before.

A diplomatic approach in order to avoid combat.

Compromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the cornerstone of love.

[Bekkael]

Ravensword wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DA2 was too button mashy. In general.

DA:O's combat was toooo slow.

DA2's combat was toooo fast.

DA:I's combat will be just right?

Looking at the way Bioware approaches gameplay issues combat in DAI is going to be a mixture of too fast & too slow. Or there will be no combat at all.  

Hmm, the option to skip combat maybe? I think I might have heard that mentioned somewhere before.

A diplomatic approach in order to avoid combat.

Compromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the cornerstone of love.

Awesome! It could be tied to your persuasion skills.

[saMoorai]

It played horribly on the PC, felt really generic, and was rather thoughtless and boring.

[Ravensword]

Bekkael wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DA2 was too button mashy. In general.

DA:O's combat was toooo slow.

DA2's combat was toooo fast.

DA:I's combat will be just right?

Looking at the way Bioware approaches gameplay issues combat in DAI is going to be a mixture of too fast & too slow. Or there will be no combat at all.  

Hmm, the option to skip combat maybe? I think I might have heard that mentioned somewhere before.

A diplomatic approach in order to avoid combat.

Compromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the cornerstone of love.

Awesome! It could be tied to your persuasion skills.

Persuasion skill. Better than the Paragon-Renegade system of dialogue. Although, having a persuasion skill you can level up is too complex for the casuals, so we're likely not gonna see it.

[Lenimph]

Find it amazing how many people complain about something that was patched very early on ....

[TheBlackBaron]

The actual mechanics were fine, and indeed an improvement over DA2. The issue comes in encounter design, animations, window dressing, and all sorts of other things. You can have the best combat mechanics in the world and still have a bad game if they're not being used properly, and unfortunately that is one of DA2's biggest problems.

[Cyberfrog81]

A number of things annoyed me with it, but my main gripe?

It was impossible to take it seriously. Which is not so great when you also try to tell a story worth taking seriously.

Yet, if the story had blown me away I would have easily forgiven the combat. But it didn't.

[Morogrem]

JCAP wrote...

DA:O forced us to be very picky and carefull when seleting party, and the combat forced us to use different strategies, your brain was always working.

DA:2 - Varric, Anders, Aveline/Fenris, kill, next one, kill, next one, kill, Anders heal here please, kill, next one, kill, Anders would you kindly heal here?, kill...

Maybe I am being a little unfair, but the fact is, DA2 just wasn't challeging as DA:O. And the waves of enemies turned it more frustrating than anything else

thats not combat thats party selection and tactics, the actual combat, the beat em up aspect of the game was fantastic, the tactics.... notsomuch

[schalafi]

Enigmatick wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I just wonder what sadistic dev decided to make some skeletons practically invulnerable

What game were playing? Those skeletons died in a snap on every difficulty 

I was playing DA2, and encountered skeletons on Sundermount during the "Long Way Home" as well as in the "A Bitter Pill"  fights. Not all of them did it, just one or two, but in my game I'd get their life bar down to almost gone, and then couldn"t kill them without using all my npcs attacking at once.

[cJohnOne]

schalafi wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I just wonder what sadistic dev decided to make some skeletons practically invulnerable

What game were playing? Those skeletons died in a snap on every difficulty 

I was playing DA2, and encountered skeletons on Sundermount during the "Long Way Home" as well as in the "A Bitter Pill"  fights. Not all of them did it, just one or two, but in my game I'd get their life bar down to almost gone, and then couldn"t kill them without using all my npcs attacking at once.

I think if you ignore an unkillable one it dies by itself.  Assuming you've gotten rid of it's hit points.

[Big I]

What I disliked was that my prefered playstyle from Origins (turing on all passives and auto attacking everything) became far less possible in DA2. That and it shipped without auto attack, which made my first playthrough even more frustrating than it already was.

[Darth Wraith]

I enjoyed the speed and responsiveness of DA2's combat. In this department DA:O always felt clumsy, with characters walking backwards to keep up with a moving target, spells taking so long to cast that targets had moved out of the AoE, etc.

DA:O, however, far outdid its sequel in tactical combat. First of all the camera placement of DA:O was superior in every way. Second, the use of traps and out-of-combat stealth made it a lot of fun to scout ahead and prepare for a fight. And of course, there were no unbelievably annoying waves of magically appearing enemies.

[Annihilator27]

The lack of auto correct for Xbox,Did the PS3 have that too? Had to press A over and over and over.

[steveokiller]

 At first it was not too bad, but as I got farthere into the game it just became so repetitive. 

[The Six Path of Pain]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DA2 was too button mashy. In general.

Go to options and change the damn settings, problem solved. You will no longer have to tap the same button to continuously attack.

yeah,but the auto attack in DA2 just didn't feel right.Plus watching the same damn repetitive over the top auto attack animation over and over again,without you pushing a button became a real bore.

You do realize that the auto attack animation in DAO was just as boring, right?

You do realize what your doing makes you extremely annoying and also makes you look like a troll!...you do realize this right

So I'm a troll for pointing out something incredibly obvious?

Stay classy, BSN.

Ha OK you got me with the you're lol Anyway what I meant was you starting every reply with"You do realize..."does make it seem like you're trolling.

[Boycott Bioware]

I can give credit to DA2 companions AI, Bioware did a very good job there, the companions know what to do, i don't need to tell them anything, they are very efficient

better than Skyrim..."Lydia! Don't get in front of me when i want to shoot the god damned bandit!"

edit :

Dragonborn : "First we sneak past them, then i will....wait wait..."
Lydia : "Skyrim is for the Nords!!!"
Dragonborn : "@%@%$@%$@%!!!!Lydiaaaaa!!!!!!"

Modifié par Qistina, 28 avril 2013 - 08:17 .

[Swagger7]

I actually preferred the DA2 combat overall. There were a lot of things they did that I didn't care for (overly flamboyant attacks with crazy jumping, etc.), but i like that you control all of the attacks individually. I didn't like the whole auto-attacking thing in DAO where you pressed A and then the character kept hitting until you gave them another order or the enemy died. It wasn't involved enough. I wouldn't mind having some serious changes to the combat, just so long as the 1 press = 1 attack remains.  (This is for consoles.  Auto-attack makes more sense on PC, but I prefer the whole console experience.)

DAO combat was also really slow and clunky looking.

Modifié par Swagger7, 28 avril 2013 - 09:57 .

[Shevy]

Qistina wrote...

I can give credit to DA2 companions AI, Bioware did a very good job there, the companions know what to do, i don't need to tell them anything, they are very efficient

better than Skyrim..."Lydia! Don't get in front of me when i want to shoot the god damned bandit!"

edit :

Dragonborn : "First we sneak past them, then i will....wait wait..."
Lydia : "Skyrim is for the Nords!!!"
Dragonborn : "@%@%$@%$@%!!!!Lydiaaaaa!!!!!!"

The pathfinding of the AI was horrible in DA II. Try to beat Corypheus with only agitating Hawke, your companions will get stuck and die.
Also the "hold position" command seemed to fail from time to time.

For me, the pace of the combat was too high in DA II, so it ended feeling like a hack&slash. Parachuting enemies, absurdly high resistences and health bars on nightmare while your enemies only use standard attacks made combat a real chore. While the tactics screen in DA II allowed more options than the one in Origins, you didn't need them because it was either simple tank&spank the hp monsters till they die or the skydiving enemies completely destroyed your positioning and tactics.

[Zeldrik1389]

Well, personally I think DA 2 combat was too unorganized. Preparations, tactics, positions etc are all gone. Battle turn into a massive click feast / skills spamming. Those fancy movements look nice at first, but then it become really boring. Most of the time you don't even need to use your brain, seriously. Plus the enemy waves coming from all directions are pretty lame imo. Bunch of enemies just spawned out of nowhere, dragging the fights to the point of frustration at times. I found it pretty ridiculous.
Another thing that I hate was trash fights. Irrelevant, prolonged, useless fights against random enemies that have absolutely nothing to do with your quests. Massive waste of time, imo.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 28 avril 2013 - 10:49 .

[Rawgrim]

DA2 combat felt like Soul Calibur.

[Boycott Bioware]

The pathfinding of the AI was horrible in DA II. Try to beat Corypheus with only agitating Hawke, your companions will get stuck and die.
Also the "hold position" command seemed to fail from time to time.

Well, i never see any games have no path finding problem. I agree "hold position" command is bad in DA2. But i can say DA2 AI is better than any games i have played. I give credit to that.

Combat in DA2 is not interesting, because of the excellent AI, that type of AI should be in a game where we can control our companions, it should be in games like Jedi Academy and Skyrim where we only control the main character.

Modifié par Qistina, 28 avril 2013 - 12:12 .

[mp91]

minus :
waves of enemies
less combos (magic...)
the friendly fire of some powers , letting "free will" to carver/fenris was the best way to wipe out your party, the second level of the ice spell also got many of my characters dead ; they should have allow us the possibility to choose level 1 (safe to use) or 2 (only for a far away group of enemies) to use once we unlocked the second level.

plus :
faster animation, more immersive
rogue and knights are more fun to play