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I was just nosing about in the modules section and thinking of playing one but I didn't use the Hall of Fame/top modules list and instead used the nwn2 modules list ( the one that comes up like haks do with pictures and a whole load of pages to scroll through ) and the "top ten" seems stuck as new modules that meet the requirements aren't in it and don't exist anywhere and there's at least one that should be in the HoF does. Then again the HoF is a bit of a joke with near enough the first 100 modules in the top module list in it but it's there to clear the list and that's not happening.

So is that the permanent "top ten" now and has the vault finally siezed up ?

I'm not saying this to harass anyone into action as it's none of my business I just wondered.

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It seems like the top ten list is no more updated. Claudius33 made a list of modules which have recently be released and an average vote of at least 8.0, to avoid that they get lost in the depths of the vault: http://nwvault.ign.c...s.Detail&id=349 According to him, the top ten hasn't been updated since last summer.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that also this list will be lost in the depths of the vault :-(

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I'll talk to Rolo, who has admin rights to the Vault. This is probably something that requires manual updating now, as the Vault is slowly breaking. Rolo's working on that as well.

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I thought something must be up with it and as it stands it's not really fair on people with new modules as their creations wont be visible once they leave the new modules list. Also anybody looking at the list for modules every now and then that doesn't know what's happening will think that it's just the same old mods nothing new's happening and move on.

Modifié par Iveforgotmypassword, 21 avril 2013 - 02:10 .


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<crying in his...>

It's actually worse than that, as the "Top..." scripts are out of my reach completely. I can't update them, fix them or even turn them off ;-(

About all I can do is publish now and then someone's list.

Well, that and continue working on the Vault v2.0 :-)

This brings up a pretty good topic, though - what "lists" do you think should clutter up the front page? If they're not on the front page, where should people run across then? (There's a completely separate discussion about revamping the voting process that I want to revisit, but not, I think, here, as there was already some great discussion about it in another thread)

Currently I'm not listing any projects except in the "what's New" highlight slideshow. But then, I haven't really got the migration started either, so there's not much to sort into lists :-P

The Vault has always been for this community and will remain so. But V2 will be (I'm hoping) considerably more flexible.

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Rolo Kipp wrote...

<crying in his...>

 (There's a completely separate discussion about revamping the voting process that I want to revisit, but not, I think, here, as there was already some great discussion about it in another thread)


Which thread Rolo ?


Currently I'm not listing any projects except in the "what's New" highlight slideshow. But then, I haven't really got the migration started either, so there's not much to sort into lists :-P

The Vault has always been for this community and will remain so. But V2 will be (I'm hoping) considerably more flexible.

<...fine, full bodied cognac>


I am a big fan of the vault, it is sad to see the old ship creaking like this.

Does this mean the end of the top modules list?

PJ

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<waggling his hand...>

Hmmm, been meaning to resurrect that voting discussion...

Top modules: By what criteria? Download? Installed and used? We have the possibility to get a count from Pain's Neverlauncher every time someone uses a module... what better metric than how often a mod is used? Just ideas here.

I'm certainly willing to build any list we can define, but how many and what kinds would be on the front page?

While not a necromancer, I *am* a Dr Who fan and I don't think this is the end for the Vault at all :-)
Nor the top modules list.

<...in a "it's only 99.9% dead" motion>

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How about keeping the new modules bit for fresh arrivals and not even having lists of top things, halls of fame or votes just years eg 2012 modules, 2013 modules then you could just click a year and see a list with a download count and it wouldn't have to change just keep track on downloads and forget the voting part.

With regards to using a "neverlauncher" or whatever it is I'd imagine that unless a module has been set up for it then it will look bad and I'd say more than half the things on the vaults makers have disappeared and aren't about to update or change their works.

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Iveforgotmypassword wrote...

How about keeping the new modules bit for fresh arrivals and not even having lists of top things, halls of fame or votes just years eg 2012 modules, 2013 modules then you could just click a year and see a list with a download count and it wouldn't have to change just keep track on downloads and forget the voting part.

With regards to using a "neverlauncher" or whatever it is I'd imagine that unless a module has been set up for it then it will look bad and I'd say more than half the things on the vaults makers have disappeared and aren't about to update or change their works.

Neverlauncher works fine, you don't have to set up a module for it, painofdungeoneternal makes it work automagically.

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Perhaps a sticky updated every week listing all recent modules lost in the depths of the Vault, could do until things are fixed or Vault 2 takes over. I'm not sure how Neverlaucher works, especially for solo modules that do not require any connection, but if it can do it and provide the list, the better.

Other possibilty : have a permanent link on the Vault front page (sticky or any other way) to a list maintained here (with links to the Vault pages)

For the time being it is very frustrating for the authors who submit new creations. And of course players may miss good modules. I don't know it it's impacts modules only or all creations.
I'm glad that 16 Cygni still makes regular downloads :), but more than Sarmates! :blush:  that's rather frustrating ...

As Alupinu's Fanglewood, Sarmates!  never made it to the the Top NWN2, although it should have, so I started to suspect things and noticed that the charts were not updated since long. The only way to find recent modules pushed off the 5 more recent list, is to click on NEW Modules and to sort the list by dates ... Or to search for the name or the author in the search engine ...

Thanks to Rolo, my little list has at least be seen by some players.

Modifié par Claudius33, 21 avril 2013 - 08:26 .


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<licking his honey...>

Actually... I can sticky your module list right now... *scurries off to the hive*
Edit: Now you should add links to it :-)

<...off his fingers>

Modifié par Rolo Kipp, 21 avril 2013 - 08:57 .


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I tried to write a review on Celophraie and I had issues with that.

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<pounding his point...>

Reviews. *sniff*. Reviewer's guild. *lip-quiver*. *misses Queen Silverwing horribly*
Just about everything with reviews and the reviewers guild has been broken since they disbanded.

What issues exactly did you have? And can you wait until Celophraie is migrated to V2?

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Rolo Kipp wrote...

<licking his honey...>

Actually... I can sticky your module list right now... *scurries off to the hive*
Edit: Now you should add links to it :-)

<...off his fingers>


Thanks Rolo. Late here. I'll put the links soon and try to update the list regularly.

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<redirecting...>

I've started my discussion of voting here.

Please join in if interested.

<...a jet-cars toward the old stable>

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Rolo Kipp wrote...

<pounding his point...>

Reviews. *sniff*. Reviewer's guild. *lip-quiver*. *misses Queen Silverwing horribly*
Just about everything with reviews and the reviewers guild has been broken since they disbanded.

What issues exactly did you have? And can you wait until Celophraie is migrated to V2?

<...to a pulp against a bricked-over door>


I more than happy to wait!

I just wanted to be fair to any modder and vote on their mod when I play it.

The issue look like I was able to comment, but not vote.
My tag on there is "Friar."
Also, it didn't seem like my comment was being saved. It looks like it was now. Just the vote part wasn't. I didn't want to double post, but I might have and you probably corrected it already.. if it did double post. Which it looks like it didn't..
Why does my response look like something a gnome would say?

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I was wondering when Islander would finally move and open up some new module spot. Did I pick the wrong time to resume modding? Is this beast finally spurting out its last breath?

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I don't think any of the modules in the big list have had scores or downloads changed so I reckon you've just scored yourself a permanent front page spot which isn't too bad as it hasn't moved for ages. I'd recommend sending a copy of your mod over to the Nexus though as the Baldurs Gate remake is attracting a lot of attention and lives there.

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downloads still works.

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In what way ? If you look on the list of top modules it says Islander's had 2000 downloads but in reality it's nearly 3000..

Looks like DM101 will live on for eternity as the vaults top module not bad considering it's not really one in the first place !

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Double post my computer's gone mad !

Modifié par Iveforgotmypassword, 19 juin 2013 - 03:39 .


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That's kind of appalling how BG has 52k downloads and the next highest mod is like 100. I get people trying a mod and not finishing it but how are they not curious enough to even bother trying anyone elses when they obviously have nwn2 installed and ready to go?

Please explain vault 2.0 what is it?

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I guess he means this: http://neverwintervault.org/

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I am sure if someone made a well crafted BG2 remake he would have more than 50K download as well ! IWD has 15k on the nexus but is availlable in other platforms as well unlike BGR, wich mean its DL count is also very good.

Modifié par Shallina, 21 juin 2013 - 06:10 .


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Eguintir Eligard wrote...
Please explain vault 2.0 what is it?


Vault preservation project, if ( or when ) the vault goes down, the vault continues on that new version 2.0. Rolo Kipp ( who is involved in the official vault ) is managing it and the real vault.

I am doing what I can to help ensure it's a complete backup of all the files and get the technical stuff working, but still do not look forward to it happening. Users are encouraged to make sure they have accounts on the new vault while we can still verify who you are via the old vault.