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[Reznore57]

I got the book yesterday ...and my first thought was "OMG it's so heavy , I could knock somebody down with this!"...
Anyway there's some new stuff about lore in it , or maybe just things I just didn't know about , and I'd like to share it .
I guess it's some kind of spoilers ...

• The first tribe of human was known as Neromenians.They broke down in others tribes , one was Tevinter.And another ,Barindur , seems to have ...er...vanished.It seems those tribes had magic ,dreamers , and worshipped the old gods.Nothing about elves teaching them anything...
• The Alamarri (those guy who will become Ferelden) crossed the Frostback Mountains , fleeing a "Shadow Goddess" ...it's not new lore , but hey it just sounds cool.
• The first human to use blood magic wasThalsian , first priest of Dumat, he said Dumat himself teached him.
• 15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)
• In elven language ,"Banalhan" =The place of nothing.it's what the elves use for Blight , or where the blight came from.
• A merchant traded with Kal Sharok ( one of the remaining Thaig) and noticed they had fabric from Orlais and book of poetry written 300 years ago by a free marcher.(strange because everyone thought everyone in KS was dead until recently) .And the merchant felt corruption that remind him of the grey warden and the Blight...;
• In current days , Nevarra 's ruler Markus Pentaghast is about to die , no direct heir , except his brother who's pretty old and has no children.
• In Nevarra , there's a powerful order of mages , the Mortalitasi.They are experts in mummification and maybe necromancy.They believe when somebody die , their soul cross the fade and a spirt gets misplaced and need a host.
• Ouside of Nevarra city , there is the Grand Necropolis.where wealthy mummies live, i guess...It looks like a city , with mansions ,gardens , bathhouses , ballrooms...
• There's a text about Es****ch and an artwork .It's an island south/east of the free Marches.It used to belong to the the Tevinter Imperium but was abandonned.It seems now the Felicisima Armada hold it , ( a group of pirate ) some people call it Little Llomerryn now.
• There's some specaulation that the  current First Warden ( super boss of the GW) want to take the throne of the Anderfels.(I guess nobody would notice anyway , the Anderfels seems to suck)
• There are 4 classes in Tevinter : 2 mages/2 non mages.  1 :The Altus :descendats of the frist dreamers who used to talk with the Old gods.When the chantry rise in Tevinter , they were killed but they managed to rule again...2:The Laetans :mages with non glorious heritage , a lot of them are mages born in non mages family.  3:Soporati (non mage):they can own land , join the military etc but they can't rule....4 Slaves.Those who are freed are called Liberati they have limited rights.
• Dwarves and Tevinter have a long history of friendship and there's a whole community of dwarves living there.They have some political power in the country via the Lyrium trade.
• In Minrathous , Neromenian and Qarinus , the dwarven embassies are underground , and the Dwarves ain't casteless like the rest of surface dwarves.
• In Rivain the chantry and templars used to work with the seers (apostate) ...the situation may have changed.in 9:40 the circle in Dairsmuid (which was more a facade to appease the chantry than anything ) has been annulled after some Seeker investigation.( they decided they didnt like all these seer stuff afterall.)
• In Par Vollen , human used to build pyramids...those pyramids seems to match the constellation Solium ( well at least we know now that people in Thedas are interested in stars etc...)and in a lot of carvings there is tall people with horns .Those people were in a position of respect/power.Something very vey strange , those carving seems to have been done before the qunari set foot there.Maybe flemeth haircut was fashionable back then .
• There's some stuff about the Fog warrior.They paint themselves in white and strike silently surrounded by a "magical" fog.
• The fog warriors have fog dancers , I guess they are some spiritual guide.They know some songs/tales.They say griffons come from Seheron, they talked about the curse of Nahar(?) related to the fog...and a promise that will lift it, they talk about the March of the Four Winds (?),some lost people who fled to the north ,and great heroes who learned at the feet of elves.
• Hawke discovered red lyrium, and no one knows anything about it.
• You can cast a spell on somebody with his phylactery.Not just track mages.
• In Tevinter , being part of a circle is a great privilege.
• There's a whole text about the old Inquisition.It basicaly says the inquisition was cool.
• It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful...
• From an early age , Andraste suffered troubling dreams of the Maker (mm , not strange at all....)
• The Neromenian (first human tribe in Thedas , and ancient Tevinter) used to think their fallen heroes were reborn as dragons and worship them.It seems Dreamers (also ruler) met the old god in the fade ,and then people start worshipping them as dragons too.
• In tevinter , some temples dedicated to old gods were turned in the first Circle of magi.
• Tevinter is sort of the firt state to adopt Andraste Teaching.After Archon Hessarion heard the Maker.A lot of altus magisters and old god priests were killed during this period called :Transfiguration.A lot who converted said they saw Andraste spirit in the fade...
• For a time a lot of non mage had power in Tevinter , they were part of the imperial chantry etc...
• Before the qun , Kossith worshipped animist gods.
• It seems the fade has a raw form .A world of dark rock and lyrium where it's always night.
• Oghren really don't like the fade.
• The Veil is thinner at night when people are dreaming.
• It seems elves believe some of their gods are trapped in the Eternal city in the Beyond (the black city...)And the fade is the holy place of their gods...
• The Qunari believe the fade is the place of the dead.Of course it's forbidden to go to the fade.And they claim they do not dream like others.
• if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting.
• High dragons have a new model ,they have a thicker build.

That's it , I can write down the Inquisition text if some are interested.

[Wulfram]

Reznore57 wrote...

[*]In current days , Nevarra 's ruler Markus Pentaghast is about to die , no direct heir , except his brother who's pretty old and has no children.

So where's Cassandra in the order of succession, I guess is the question.  Though I'd hope we wouldn't end up just repeating Alistair's plot.

[*]There's a whole text about the old Inquisition.It basicaly says the inquisition was cool.

How does it fit with
the Inquisition once hunted heretics and cultists as well as mages, and their reign of terror ended only with the inception of the Circle of Magi.
from the DA2 codex?

[*]In tevinter , some temples dedicated to old gods were turned in the first Circle of magi.

I'm sure nothing could go wrong with that!

[*]The Qunari believe the fade is the place of the dead.Of course it's forbidden to go to the fade.And they claim they do not dream like others.

Qunari the Religion, or Qunari the Oxmen?  Would a human convert stop dreaming?

[Heimdall]

Reznore57 wrote...

[*]That's it , I can write down the Inquisition text if some are interested.

Yes please

[MarcusR16]

So the life in Tevinter doesn't seem to suck so much for the non-mages as we thought at first.

[Heimdall]

MarcusR16 wrote...

So the life in Tevinter doesn't seem to suck so much for the non-mages as we thought at first.

It seems premature to make that ruling.  

[TEWR]

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

EDIT: On a broader note unrelated to this snippet I selected, the more I read of DA's new lore -- from the comic and this book -- the more I'm going "Damn it, why is Bioware working its way into my head and taking the lore I planned out for my series?!"

Well, more or less their lore and my lore is the same. I'm still going to keep the ideas, but now I've just got that cheap feeling about myself that I detest. 

Really kinda makes it harder to keep in the writing spirit.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 avril 2013 - 12:11 .

[azarhal]

Thank you for this *still waiting for my book*

From an early age , Andraste suffered troubling dreams of the Maker (mm , not strange at all....)

You know, that sound like a Dreamer being plagued by a really powerful demon.

In Nevarra , there's a powerful order of mages , the Mortalitasi.They are experts in mummification and maybe necromancy.They believe when somebody die , their soul cross the fade and a spirt gets misplaced and need a host.

Wait all the mummifing is for a "good cause"? They literally conserve bodies so misplaced spirit have a place to go? Mind blown! You know, I expected something like the Egyptian not some self-sacrifing action to allows demons and spirit to have a body to take over if they cross the fade.

You can cast a spell on somebody with his phylactery.Not just track mages.

Phylactery is blood magic. Gaider mentioned it in an interview a few years ago.

if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting.

I guess people can stop arguing over what Flemeth is now. We can start arguing over her real name though.

[MarcusR16]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

Yeah, Korcari Wilds are in completely another part of Thedas than Par Vollen. And to add that they have no connection to the seawater(maybe a frozen sea path)?Chasind could tell us more about that.

[9TailsFox]

"if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting."

what's it Flemeth is archdemon.

and yes pls Inquisition text

Modifié par 9TailsFox, 21 avril 2013 - 12:09 .

[MarcusR16]

9TailsFox wrote...

"if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting."

what's it Flemeth is archdemon.

and yes pls Inquisition text

is she the original Old God Baby?

[Reznore57]

I'm going to write the Inquisition text ...
And in the book the world Kossith is used for Qunari with horn , I guess somebody in the DA team saw the light and became pragmatic .^^( but yes , the word is very obscur in Thedas , blablabla...)
Anyway I can't answer the dreaming thing ,Wulfram , I think the qunari are just lying about this and the fade is taboo for them.



THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

The birth of the Chantry took place more than nine ages ago , and the mists of time have obscured what were once well known facts.It is commonly believed that the chantry alone created the templars and the circle of magi.Few recall that there was ever an Inquisition.
Those who do believe it predated the Chantry , hunting cultists and mages in a reign of terror that ended only upon its transformation into the Templar Order.This, however , is not quite the truth.

One must keep in mind the state of Thedas prior to the Chantry's creation.It was a world where the only source of order, the Tevinter Imperium,had fallen apart.
People blamed magic for the death of Andraste,the Blight, the terror they saw every day - and not without basis.Abominations and demons rampaged the countryside.No one was safe.
The Seekers of Truth were initially formed by disparate groups of men and women , determine to restore order because no one else would do what was necessary.The truth they sought, the question they tried to answer , was how to restore sanity in a world gone mad.

Was theirs a reign of terror? Perhaps.But all evidence shows they were just as vigilant in their protection of mages as they were of regular people.
Any time they intervened, an ad hoc trial was convened to determine the guilty party.This even application of justice led to their poor reputation, as the Seekers came down against every group at one time or another , their "inquisition" gaining notoriety as being on no one's side other than their own.

They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

[whykikyouwhy]

Reznore57 wrote...
Ouside of Nevarra city , there is the Grand Necropolis.where wealthy mummies live, i guess...It looks like a city , with mansions ,gardens , bathhouses , ballrooms...

So, if we go to Nevarra in a future game, are we going to potentially have a "Dawn of the Dead" quest/DLC? Instead of a shopping mall, the party will have opulent furnishings to fight with? Battle chandeliers? 

In Par Vollen , human used to build pyramids...those pyramids seems to match the constellation Solium ( well at least we know now that people in Thedas are interested in stars etc...)and in a lot of carvings there is tall people with horns .Those people were in a position of respect/power.Something very vey strange , those carving seems to have been done before the qunari set foot there.Maybe flemeth haircut was fashionable back then .

This might be a parallel to some of the theories behind our real world pyramids - how the structures have similar features across continents (where no trade had existed at the time of their construction). A lot of those theories have, interwoven within them, stories about travellers - and some ancient art depicts beings with helmet-like heads. 

Perhaps ancient Qunari somehow managed to cross time and space - perhaps the carvings come from a time before the Veil existed. (Wild speculation, of course, but fun to mull on)

It's a bit exciting to see how these new bits of lore will be (hopefully) addressed in future games.

[TEWR]

9TailsFox wrote...

"if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting."

what's it Flemeth is archdemon.

Yeah, it seems likely she's the first Old God Baby. It seems likely she is going to be revealed to be Andraste, the Somniari Blood Mage OGB of the First Blight. That's been my theory for a while, though it also seemed to slant towards Fen'Harel or some other Dalish connection.

[TEWR]

THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

Good enough for me. Genitivi and Petrine are the two Chantry scholars whose word I'll take at (near) face value. Some other codexes I may debate on, but for this I see nothing wrong with it. Certainly jives well with what you'd expect to happen in a post-fall of the Imperium society.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 avril 2013 - 12:30 .

[Kidd]

Wulfram wrote...

Qunari the Religion, or Qunari the Oxmen?  Would a human convert stop dreaming?

Sten dreams in DAO and seems familiar with the concept of dreaming, so this is likely just a facade.

azarhal wrote...

From an early age , Andraste suffered troubling dreams of the Maker (mm , not strange at all....)

You know, that sound like a Dreamer being plagued by a really powerful demon.

Or possibly, a very powerful Dreamer influencing a great deal of people. Or it could also just be that so many had heard about Andraste lately, they started creating her in the Fade. Very interesting nontheless =)

azarhal wrote...

I guess people can stop arguing over what Flemeth is now. We can start arguing over her real name though.

Oh, the goosebumps you give me~!

[Wulfram]

I guess that settles the question of whether the PC is going to be an Inquisitor.

They wouldn't bother with all that whitewashing if we weren't.

[MisterJB]

Reznore57 wrote...

I'm going to write the Inquisition text ...
And in the book the world Kossith is used for Qunari with horn , I guess somebody in the DA team saw the light and became pragmatic .^^( but yes , the word is very obscur in Thedas , blablabla...)
Anyway I can't answer the dreaming thing ,Wulfram , I think the qunari are just lying about this and the fade is taboo for them.



THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

The birth of the Chantry took place more than nine ages ago , and the mists of time have obscured what were once well known facts.It is commonly believed that the chantry alone created the templars and the circle of magi.Few recall that there was ever an Inquisition.
Those who do believe it predated the Chantry , hunting cultists and mages in a reign of terror that ended only upon its transformation into the Templar Order.This, however , is not quite the truth.

One must keep in mind the state of Thedas prior to the Chantry's creation.It was a world where the only source of order, the Tevinter Imperium,had fallen apart.
People blamed magic for the death of Andraste,the Blight, the terror they saw every day - and not without basis.Abominations and demons rampaged the countryside.No one was safe.
The Seekers of Truth were initially formed by disparate groups of men and women , determine to restore order because no one else would do what was necessary.The truth they sought, the question they tried to answer , was how to restore sanity in a world gone mad.

Was theirs a reign of terror? Perhaps.But all evidence shows they were just as vigilant in their protection of mages as they were of regular people.
Any time they intervened, an ad hoc trial was convened to determine the guilty party.This even application of justice led to their poor reputation, as the Seekers came down against every group at one time or another , their "inquisition" gaining notoriety as being on no one's side other than their own.

They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

I guess that all but confirms it. We are going to play as an Inquisitor.

[Firky]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

Good enough for me. Genitivi and Petrine are the two Chantry scholars whose word I'll take at (near) face value. Some other codexes I may debate on, but for this I see nothing wrong with it. Certainly jives well with what you'd expect to happen in a post-fall of the Imperium society.

Genitivi likened Tranquil to tables. *shakes fist*

[Bleachrude]

And it looks like Cassandra is going to play a huge part in DA3.

Pretty much telling us that Cassandra is going to Queen of Neverra....if that's not foreshadowing, I'm calling TEASE

[azarhal]

Reznore57 wrote...


THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

[snip]
They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

You know, Genitivi's codex entries are always borderline Chantry propaganda. How does he knows that the Inquisition's member believed, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the anwser? It happened 920 years ago.

[MisterJB]

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

[Dagr88]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

"if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting."

what's it Flemeth is archdemon.

Yeah, it seems likely she's the first Old God Baby. It seems likely she is going to be revealed to be Andraste, the Somniari Blood Mage OGB of the First Blight. That's been my theory for a while, though it also seemed to slant towards Fen'Harel or some other Dalish connection.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.
But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Who and for what purpose created Grey Wardens? (Unless OGB is just some side effect)

If Flemeth IS Andraste then who discovered Dark Ritual?
Is Dark Ritual 100% necessary to make a OGB? (if no, then Flemeth could be any of 4 OGBs)

Modifié par Dagr88, 21 avril 2013 - 01:12 .

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.

They are, but apply it to Flemeth who was capable of the same thing and it raises questions and brings some (possible) answers. It was said in the First Blight codex that the Archdemon would possess a Darkspawn corpse and mold it to its will.

Flemeth is capable of morphing her human form into a High Dragon form, same as an Archdemon can do to Darkspawn.

But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Indeed

[The Hierophant]

I have a suspicion that some of those Nevarran mages might be necrophiliacs.

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

BLOOD MAGIC IS EVIL!

Sure, you could use the lifeforce of a man condemned to death to heal a dying father of three but we're still talking about magic powered by violence and death. IT'S EVIIIIIL!

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 avril 2013 - 01:10 .