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[EmperorSahlertz]

Out of common decency for the people who are yet to recieve their copy of the book, I don't wanna spoil anything. But if there is a particular topic you have in mind, I'm sure the rest of us can discus it. However if you don't, you might as well get used to all the discussions on here, always boiling down to the same three topics.

[Daerog]

Now, while I like to disagree with the Dalish and while I do not like the idea of elf immortality or that their lifespan was dependent on isolation, I like to point out the elf ritual for those who lived long enough and wished to be entombed while still alive. Uthenera.

http://dragonage.wik...entry:_Uthenera

If the elves didn't live for a very long time, why have this ritual? And if their lifespans didn't change that significantly, why  is it not still practiced?

Just wanted to throw the link in as I didn't see anybody adding it soon.

[Daerog]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Out of common decency for the people who are yet to recieve their copy of the book, I don't wanna spoil anything. But if there is a particular topic you have in mind, I'm sure the rest of us can discus it. However if you don't, you might as well get used to all the discussions on here, always boiling down to the same three topics.

Sure, how about you spill some interesting facts about Nevarra or the Anderfels. Political structure, current events, cultural traditions...

[Enigmatick]

Oh god I just saw the one star amazon review for The world of Thedas. The guy literally calls all of the current DA devs babies and Mike Laidlaw Mike Liarlaw, its hilarious. There were not that many retcons were there?

Modifié par Enigmatick, 25 avril 2013 - 03:33 .

[Senya]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Out of common decency for the people who are yet to recieve their copy of the book, I don't wanna spoil anything. But if there is a particular topic you have in mind, I'm sure the rest of us can discus it. However if you don't, you might as well get used to all the discussions on here, always boiling down to the same three topics.

Sure, how about you spill some interesting facts about Nevarra or the Anderfels. Political structure, current events, cultural traditions...

I'dl ike to hear more about those.

[MisterJB]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Now, while I like to disagree with the Dalish and while I do not like the idea of elf immortality or that their lifespan was dependent on isolation, I like to point out the elf ritual for those who lived long enough and wished to be entombed while still alive. Uthenera.

http://dragonage.wik...entry:_Uthenera

If the elves didn't live for a very long time, why have this ritual? And if their lifespans didn't change that significantly, why  is it not still practiced?

Just wanted to throw the link in as I didn't see anybody adding it soon.

The religion of my fathers says that people who die will be ressurected when Jesus Christ returns and that is why we must bury their bodies rather than burn them. Doesn't mean it's true.
It's likely just a funeral ceremony. The reason it's not practiced anymore it's probrably because it's significance was lost in the years of slavery under Tevinter. Now, the elves actually believe they were once immortal and thus don't perform Uthenera; if they even know about it; because they don't recognize it as a funeral ceremony.
They interpret it literally as a way of entombing people alive.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 avril 2013 - 05:29 .

[TEWR]

Stella-Arc wrote...

Wait...where was it stated that Marethari was a century old?

Toolset of DAO put her at... 108 years old IIRC.

MisterJB wrote...

if they even know about it

They do.

because they don't recognize it as a funeral ceremony.

It's more that they don't have a place where it can actually be performed, so they settle for burying their dead in the ground with certain objects that they consider sacred to their gods.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 avril 2013 - 08:55 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Out of common decency for the people who are yet to recieve their copy of the book, I don't wanna spoil anything. But if there is a particular topic you have in mind, I'm sure the rest of us can discus it. However if you don't, you might as well get used to all the discussions on here, always boiling down to the same three topics.

Sure, how about you spill some interesting facts about Nevarra or the Anderfels. Political structure, current events, cultural traditions...

There wasn't a whole lot of interresting stuff being revealed about those two countries. The most interresting thing would be that the line of succession of Nevarra is in danger, as the OP said. So Nevarra as one of the mots powerful nations of Thedas, with Orlais embroiled in civil war, is in danger of being destabilized itself very soon.

[Renmiri1]

The anderfels
http://wiltedartist....nancy-cough-the

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 avril 2013 - 03:21 .

[R2s Muse]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Out of common decency for the people who are yet to recieve their copy of the book, I don't wanna spoil anything. But if there is a particular topic you have in mind, I'm sure the rest of us can discus it. However if you don't, you might as well get used to all the discussions on here, always boiling down to the same three topics.

I thought the whole point of this thread was to spoil what new lore we gathered from the book...?

But agree that until everyone has a copy, the discussion will always boil down to similar topics. LOL

[ladyofpayne]

Please tell us more about Antiva.

[uknowitbeb]

The Anderfels sounds lovely. Now I am curious about Rivain and Antiva.

[Tsudonym]

I too am a great fan of the World of Thedas book! Some layout difficulties that distracted from reading interrupted passages, but otherwise artwork (A), narrative style (A), material included (A+), and map (somewhat varied from that included in the DA RPG by Green Ronin) is FANTASTIC.

Only true downside I've found that interferes with both story writing and original scenario design is the absence of any map scale on any map I can find in this great lorebook or in the RPG (I've written to Green Ronin about theirs).
Only vague distance reference I can find in computer games is Alistair saying that the closest stronghold of Grey Wardens is thousand miles away. Help?

[WardenWade]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Please tell us more about Antiva.

It is a late reply, ladyofpayne, but if it helps...



SPOILERS FOR WOT:









There isn't a huge section on Antiva, but the winemaking there is noted as its major export, aside from assassins   Antiva is a plutocracy run officially by merchant princes who occasionally pay lip service to stamping out the Crows but likely never will due to the protection their presence gives the nation.

The notable Crow murder (IIRC) of Queen Madrigal, impaled by what appeared to be four swords of mercy, inspired the Divine of that time to name the next age the Steel Age.  An Antivan queen (I don't have her name handy, I'm afraid) married off her children into the royal houses of many nations and is known as the "Mother of Thedas."  Many nobles trace their ancestry to her. 

Crows normally never tell their secrets, even to the death and under threat of torture, and their tattoos may be inspired by Rivaini culture.

END SPOILERS

I hope this helps a bit

Modifié par WardenWade, 30 avril 2013 - 02:43 .

[Vespasian 91]

Rebellion99 wrote...

Nice so there are other Thaigs? also sounds like Kal Sharok has access to the surface.

Is there anything new about Orzammar?


Thank you

Anyone please? 

[azarhal]

I got my book!!!!

I think the most interesting part was where Andraste's betrayal happened: Nevarra city-state (it was one of their stronghold). Said Nevarra was given to one of Maferath's sons after she was killed too. hmm. I find it interesting that they don't called Maferath's sons as being Andraste's.

Nevarra also happen to be where the Nevarran accord was signed a bit less than 2 centuries later. Oh and the Inquisition is called Seekers of Truth in text at less once (I'm not talking codex/timeline, but the text stuff).

There is also a mention that the "Tevinter's mage started the Blight" propaganda was propagated by the Chantry after the Third Blight to increase anti-mage and anti-Tevinter sentiments. This is interesting I think...

@Rebellion99
There's a lots of page on the Dwarves/Orzammar you know, most of it seems already known stuff too (I didn't read it all the way). There is some information about Kal Sharok, looks like they do trades, but no mention of surface access. Also, hints of them being tainted ghouls. Their inner castes system is also more equal than Orzammar and they are nicer dwarves.

No other thaigs mentioned beside those in Origins and Awakening.

[Vespasian 91]

azarhal wrote...

I got my book!!!!

I think the most interesting part was where Andraste's betrayal happened: Nevarra city-state (it was one of their stronghold). Said Nevarra was given to one of Maferath's sons after she was killed too. hmm. I find it interesting that they don't called Maferath's sons as being Andraste's.

Nevarra also happen to be where the Nevarran accord was signed a bit less than 2 centuries later. Oh and the Inquisition is called Seekers of Truth in text at less once (I'm not talking codex/timeline, but the text stuff).

There is also a mention that the "Tevinter's mage started the Blight" propaganda was propagated by the Chantry after the Third Blight to increase anti-mage and anti-Tevinter sentiments. This is interesting I think...

@Rebellion99
There's a lots of page on the Dwarves/Orzammar you know, most of it seems already known stuff too (I didn't read it all the way). There is some information about Kal Sharok, looks like they do trades, but no mention of surface access. Also, hints of them being tainted ghouls. Their inner castes system is also more equal than Orzammar and they are nicer dwarves.

No other thaigs mentioned beside those in Origins and Awakening.

Intresting thank you,
Cloud the kal Sharok Dwarves be the mysterious warden allies?

[Silfren]

I got a brief chance to look at the WoT book tonight and the first thing I noticed, one the first page, was a note that the First Blight lasted 100 years. But the game lore always indicated that it lasted for over 190 years.

It's a minor detail, but one that can throw off the entire timeline...and given it shows up on the first page, it doesn't inspire confidence about the rest of the book. I love Bioware, and I get that lore inconsistencies are going to be a reality of this kind of project, but this is starting to look like the writers aren't even trying to keep up with their own lore.

Modifié par Silfren, 02 mai 2013 - 04:44 .

[Sir JK]

The timeline stretches the first blight from -395 ancient to -203 ancient though. It's only in that first paragraph that it's one hundred years. Maybe it means 100 years after the wardens were founded? Since that number fits.

[The Hierophant]

So that probably means that it took around 100 years for the Darkspawn to grow in number on the surface, and find Dumat, then another 100 years until Dumat's death?

The writers could probably explain away the inconsistency as an inverse historian/scholar error.

[Nalia_dArnise]

One question. I can't understand: WHY in the article about Armada is an image of Antivan Crow?! Is it an error? Or in the "silent grove" with Valista were raiders, not Crows?!

[WardenWade]

Rebellion99 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

I got my book!!!!

I think the most interesting part was where Andraste's betrayal happened: Nevarra city-state (it was one of their stronghold). Said Nevarra was given to one of Maferath's sons after she was killed too. hmm. I find it interesting that they don't called Maferath's sons as being Andraste's.

Nevarra also happen to be where the Nevarran accord was signed a bit less than 2 centuries later. Oh and the Inquisition is called Seekers of Truth in text at less once (I'm not talking codex/timeline, but the text stuff).

There is also a mention that the "Tevinter's mage started the Blight" propaganda was propagated by the Chantry after the Third Blight to increase anti-mage and anti-Tevinter sentiments. This is interesting I think...

@Rebellion99
There's a lots of page on the Dwarves/Orzammar you know, most of it seems already known stuff too (I didn't read it all the way). There is some information about Kal Sharok, looks like they do trades, but no mention of surface access. Also, hints of them being tainted ghouls. Their inner castes system is also more equal than Orzammar and they are nicer dwarves.

No other thaigs mentioned beside those in Origins and Awakening.

Intresting thank you,
Cloud the kal Sharok Dwarves be the mysterious warden allies?

That's an interesting idea.  Coincidentally, in an anecdotal WOT sidebar called called "Trading with Kal Sharok," the narrator mentions how meeting with a Kal Sharok dwarf makes him think of Grey Wardens and their prey for reasons he can't explain.  Perhaps many are "accidental Grey Wardens," like Ruck? 

[Eleinehmm]

Speaking of Dwarves : How about  "The chantry doesn't think the dwarves were created by the Maker because they can't dream" bit (WAIT. WHAT?). I wonder how they explain dwarves, religion-wise.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 mai 2013 - 12:47 .

[Herr Uhl]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Speaking of Dwarves : How about  "The chantry doesn't think the dwarves were created by the Maker because they can't dream" bit (WAIT. WHAT?). I wonder how they explain dwarves, religion-wise.

The dwarves came from the stone like they themselves propose?

*shrug*

Anyways, whether they're of the maker or not is a contested issue. And dwarves do get normal dreams, but they don't get fade dreams, that is the key difference.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 02 mai 2013 - 12:59 .

[Eleinehmm]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Speaking of Dwarves : How about  "The chantry doesn't think the dwarves were created by the Maker because they can't dream" bit (WAIT. WHAT?). I wonder how they explain dwarves, religion-wise.

The dwarves came from the stone like they themselves propose?

*shrug*

Anyways, whether they're of the maker or not is a contested issue. And dwarves do get normal dreams, but they don't get fade dreams, that is the key difference.

The direct quote from the book (p143, normal edition) - Because  no dwarven souls are found in the Fade, the Chantry claims  that the dwarves were not created by the Maker.  It  seems like this is the official Chantry stance on the issue.
Hmm, it actually means that life can sort of pop into existence without the maker, and it sort of undermines the idea of the maker being THE supreme deity.  Also, why would you try to convert the dwarves since all of the

To you, my second-born, I grant this gift:
In your heart shall burn
An unquenchable flame
All-consuming, and never satisfied.
From the Fade I crafted you,
And to the Fade you shall return
Each night in dreams
That you may always remember me
 
Don’t apply to the dwarves. Can you actually turn away from the maker if you have never been facing the guy anyways ?
 I love made up  theologies and enjoyed the Tevinter chantry section a great deal, it still seem strange that the chantry thinks that dwarves are more different from humans than say spirits from humans

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 mai 2013 - 01:11 .