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[Knight of Dane]

Hm, I had hoped for some Seeker X Grey Warden stuff as it seems those two groups are the equivalent to one another blight/demonstuff vise.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Wulfram wrote...

I guess that settles the question of whether the PC is going to be an Inquisitor.

They wouldn't bother with all that whitewashing if we weren't.

What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 21 avril 2013 - 01:30 .

[KingRoxas]

Thanks, Reznore57.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 21 avril 2013 - 01:32 .

[Jerrybnsn]

So we can expect more of "A mage killed my entire family!" and "The templers ruined my life!"?

[MisterJB]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...
What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Well, the first entry codex made mention of the Inquisiton hunting cultists, heretic and mages. Now, we are told they protected mages as well as normal people and that it was their insistence on giving everyone an impartial trial that lead to them being slandered because it angered powerful people.
There is, clearly, a change in tone from the first to the second one.

[Wulfram]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Genitivi presents them as a bunch of awesome types administering even handed justice, who are only disliked because they were too honourable.  "Reign of terror" is only brought up to be refuted.

The whole thing could be summed up as "Please ignore the Codex from the previous game"

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[TeamRyan]

Just wondering if this book is Made like the codices from the games; From someone in the worlds point of view? Or is it True history without personal flavoring>?

[Harlequin2]

TeamRyan wrote...

Just wondering if this book is Made like the codices from the games; From someone in the worlds point of view? Or is it True history without personal flavoring>?

From what I've seen it's half and half. The timeline and other bits like descriptions of dragons, etc. all seem to be from an impartial view or at least from the general viewpoint of most of Thedas. There are however a few pieces that are written in-character by people we may have met in-game. Whilst still factual, these ones have a more personal twist.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Hierophant wrote...

I have a suspicion that some of those Nevarran mages might be necrophiliacs.

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes for a "female Mortalitasi companion for LI" thread to pop up?

[Clover Rider]

I say about an hour or two.

[TeamRyan]

Harlequin2 wrote...

TeamRyan wrote...

Just wondering if this book is Made like the codices from the games; From someone in the worlds point of view? Or is it True history without personal flavoring>?

From what I've seen it's half and half. The timeline and other bits like descriptions of dragons, etc. all seem to be from an impartial view or at least from the general viewpoint of most of Thedas. There are however a few pieces that are written in-character by people we may have met in-game. Whilst still factual, these ones have a more personal twist.

Thanks for the info!

[Dave of Canada]

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

[Reznore57]

In the book , it's when an archdemon posess a darkspawn.
I don't think they can posess any random person , it seems they need a tainted creature.
What surprised me is they shapeshift , I always assume the soul jump into a random darkspawn and that's it .
Afterall , their dragon body is not what makes them dangerous , it's the fact that they are able to lead masses of darkspawn to the surface that sucks.

[Danny Boy 7]

Reznore57 wrote...

In the book , it's when an archdemon posess a darkspawn.
I don't think they can posess any random person , it seems they need a tainted creature.
What surprised me is they shapeshift , I always assume the soul jump into a random darkspawn and that's it .
Afterall , their dragon body is not what makes them dangerous , it's the fact that they are able to lead masses of darkspawn to the surface that sucks.

I actually thought they would? I mean the way Riordan made it sound they would posses the nearest thing to them, the only reason I thought someone could come up with that is if the Archdemon morphed it's body back into the high dragon form. 

Otherwise how would you know in the first place that the Archdemon is still around?

[Danny Boy 7]

Wulfram wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Genitivi presents them as a bunch of awesome types administering even handed justice, who are only disliked because they were too honourable.  "Reign of terror" is only brought up to be refuted.

The whole thing could be summed up as "Please ignore the Codex from the previous game"

Weren't there two different codex for the Inquisition? I think the "whitewashing" happened before the lore book came out though because it's not the first time I heard about them being the "misunderstood good guys". The only part I think is new from that is the feelings of the Seekers about the Templars and the whole put on a trial thing.

Mind you they do sound a WHOLE lot better than even the "good" codex about them put it.

[legbamel]

MisterJB wrote...
"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

I always thought it strange that blood mages wound themselves and never other people to get the blood.  Why would I stab my staff through my belly when I could crack open a bad guy's skull with it instead?  Surely that would work better and save me some energy and healing?

[Danny Boy 7]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

Wasn't the First Blight over 100 years? I imagine SOMEONE realized the Archdemon would keep reviving.

That said, how would they come up with the Joining (like you said), how did Flemeth come up with the Dark Ritual in the first place and why does it need a Grey Warden so badly?

[Bleachrude]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

In the book , it's when an archdemon posess a darkspawn.
I don't think they can posess any random person , it seems they need a tainted creature.
What surprised me is they shapeshift , I always assume the soul jump into a random darkspawn and that's it .
Afterall , their dragon body is not what makes them dangerous , it's the fact that they are able to lead masses of darkspawn to the surface that sucks.

I actually thought they would? I mean the way Riordan made it sound they would posses the nearest thing to them, the only reason I thought someone could come up with that is if the Archdemon morphed it's body back into the high dragon form. 

Otherwise how would you know in the first place that the Archdemon is still around?

THIS

Reading the thread, I get the impression that the assumption was that the archdemon would simply occupy another body....given we saw what Flemeth could do, I always thought the archdemon would do the same thing ...surely this was mentioned in the lore before?

[Sith Grey Warden]

Reznore57 wrote...

I'm going to write the Inquisition text ...
And in the book the world Kossith is used for Qunari with horn , I guess somebody in the DA team saw the light and became pragmatic .^^( but yes , the word is very obscur in Thedas , blablabla...)

Wasn't Kossith only used referring to them in events before the First Blight and their religion before the Qun? There were no Qunari before the Qun, there were Kossith. Likewise, there are no Kossith under the Qun, only Qunari.

[Kidd]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

If things are this simple though, I question why Morrigan opposes her. Unless Morrigan is a much more terrible person than I've always assumed.

[Senya]

Reznore57 wrote...

THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

That does sound like what we're trying to do in the third game, minus those so much on one side they won't be able to be impartial.

I wouldn't be surprised that the Inquisition was given a bad reputation because they treated everyone equally. You get everyone hating you when you don't regard them as special or go after the proper scapegoat.

[TK514]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

If things are this simple though, I question why Morrigan opposes her. Unless Morrigan is a much more terrible person than I've always assumed.

I never thought Morrigan was anything other than a terrible person, so it doesn't surprise me at all that she would oppose an altruistic Flemeth.

[Palidane]

Is there anything on Grey Wardens. the Anderfels, or Griffons?

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Genitivi presents them as a bunch of awesome types administering even handed justice, who are only disliked because they were too honourable.  "Reign of terror" is only brought up to be refuted.

The whole thing could be summed up as "Please ignore the Codex from the previous game"

Weren't there two different codex for the Inquisition? I think the "whitewashing" happened before the lore book came out though because it's not the first time I heard about them being the "misunderstood good guys". The only part I think is new from that is the feelings of the Seekers about the Templars and the whole put on a trial thing.

Mind you they do sound a WHOLE lot better than even the "good" codex about them put it.

No, there was only the Seeker of Truth codex and then an early BW blog entry that talked about the Inquisition, and both had the dark undertones ("reign of terror" "mage hunters"). DG talked about the Inquisition in the Thedas UK interview and painted a slightly more neutral picture, that they were all a bunch of folks who stood up and said, "enough is enough."

On the hearsay nature of the book, it's interesting. The sidebars, like this one by Genetivi on the First Inquisition, are like the codexes and written from someone's perspective. But you can see the contrast with the timeline following whatever the commonly accepted history says; case in point, the timeline says "Senior members of the Inquisition become the Seekers of Truth" (the 'official' story) in contrast to Genetivi's suggestion that they were always called the Seekers of Truth.

[lil yonce]

Thanks so much for this thread OP. Really appreciate it.

Okay, we have to go to Nevarra. The Pentaghast storyline and the powerful mage order make it a must see in DA3. Give my Inquisitor the option to marry into royalty! An example of free mages outside Tevinter is essential to demonstrating mages can handle a degree of responsibility outside the Circles of Magi.

The First Warden wants the throne of the Anderfels? I wonder how further emboldened he was by the Ferelden Commander of the Grey becoming the Arl of Amaranthine and in some cases seizing the throne blood claim or marrying onto it. Reference my powerful Cousland Warden!

I want to know more about the Rivain Circle annulment. "Cassandra, you're a Seeker. Spot me that info!"

So the Magisters saw Andraste's spirit in the Fade and converted? Oooooh. Personally, I like this more than a simple political conversion and I really think it drives home Andraste allowed herself to be burned at the stake. She had something other than simple destruction of the Imperium in mind. A greater healing for all and not only her own people. And from the other points she has to be Flemeth and the original OGB and she had to have created the Grey Wardens (Naw. Nvm. Somebody else did that part.) Altruistic intent, I believe.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 21 avril 2013 - 10:24 .