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[Reznore57]

Yes , Palidane .There's stuff about the Anderfels, griffons , and Grey wardens.
I didn't write everything , some stuff doesn't seem so exciting to me , like the rank in the GW orders.
And I probably missed some things.

[lil yonce]

So it sounds like the elves might be the next to try and break into the Golden/Black City. Don't do it!

You'd need a lot of lyrium-- which they probably can't get because the Tevinter Imperium used up most of it when they breached the Golden City-- so your only option is blood magic. Conveniently, blood magic is the only magic known to extend life, perhaps grant immortality... and that with the revelation blood magic becomes more powerful with violence and death leads me to believe the original Dalish who wanted to reclaim the secrets of Arlathan wanted the Orlesian Empire destroyed for some very sinister. selfish reasons when they watched the Blight roll in and when they attacked Orlais at Red Crossing.

The violence and death a Blight would cause is like a hole in one for national immortality and breaking into the Golden/Black City. And Red Crossing was brutal beyond imagination according the Orlesians... When the Blight didn't provide their avenue, I guess they decided to roll up their sleeves and do the dirty work themsleves. And didn't the Chantry claim the Dalish were using blood magic?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 21 avril 2013 - 05:37 .

[The Elder King]

Reznore57 wrote...

Yes , Palidane .There's stuff about the Anderfels, griffons , and Grey wardens.
I didn't write everything , some stuff doesn't seem so exciting to me , like the rank in the GW orders.
And I probably missed some things.

If you don't mind, could you tell us the GW's ranks? I'm interested on the topic.

[R2s Muse]

The whole entry on the Rivaini annulment is in this img, which is mostly readable. I found it very interesting to see the contrast of their Circle, which seems to cast a blind eye to traditional Rivaini seer practices, and the other Circles.

On Cassandra, in the caption on her pic, it says she's is "a member of the sprawling and powerful Pentaghast clan." The "sprawling" part suggested to me that there are a whole lotta Pentaghasts, meaning it's not a foregone conclusion that she would be the most likely heir, after the two childless brothers. But who knows.

I also thought it was interesting that in several places they call her "a hand" of the Divine, not necessarily "The" hand or left or right or whatever like they did in DotS and with Leliana. It always kinda cracked me up, seeing how many "right hand"s Justinia had. LOL

[R2s Muse]

hhh89 wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Yes , Palidane .There's stuff about the Anderfels, griffons , and Grey wardens.
I didn't write everything , some stuff doesn't seem so exciting to me , like the rank in the GW orders.
And I probably missed some things.

If you don't mind, could you tell us the GW's ranks? I'm interested on the topic.

First Warden (head of Order at Weisshaupt)
High Constable (former aerial commander(!), second in command at Weisshaupt)
Chamberlain of the Grey (senior archivist at W)
Warden-Commander (leader in any one region)
Warden-Constable (second in command to w-commander)
Senior Warden
Warden
Warden-Recruit

(pg 152)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 21 avril 2013 - 05:44 .

[lil yonce]

Zombies in DA3? If a Veil is torn asunder nearby and I was a rather intelligent demon ready for the world, I would head for Nevarra. Their dead rest in luxury! Pick a body, any body. Lord Powerful So-And-So? Go ahead! And the bodies are mummified, well preserved? Not your average zombie!

[The Elder King]

Thanks R2s Muse. Are there any explanation of the High Constable and Chamberlain's roles?

[sandalisthemaker]

Reznore57 wrote...

[*]if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting.

                  
[*]Flemeth is an archdemon. Semi-confirmed rumor.

[Reznore57]

So hhh89 ...

First Warden : Big boss (in theory) , lives in Weisshaupt.Since Gryphons have died , can't communicate properly with all the wardens across thedas so it's more like a political/figure head role now.

High Constable.Used to be the Warden aerial commander ...but well no gryphons anymore...so it's more like a public role , lead recruitment in the Anderfels , act as ambassador to the nation's high king.

Chamberlain of the Grey:
Senior Archivist ,responsible for maintaining correspondence between all the Warden Commanders at the behest of the first warden.(I guess he's kind of a glorified postman...)

Warden Commander
Leader of the order in a region of Thedas .Since communication with Weisshaupt is difficult , most Commander answer to no one and do as they see fit.
They must send some report to the Chamberlain once a year.The First Warden can summon any or all the Warden Commander to Weisshaupt when necessary.

Warden Constable.
Second in command under a Warden Commander.Take charge when the WC is away (or killed i guess..)

Senior Warden.
Formal title given to veteran Warden deserving of special privilege.In Orlais they are called Warden Lieutenant.Can command a group or go on a special mission.

Warden.
on paper they are called Warden Ensigns.Nothing special.

Warden recruit.
Has not yet taken the Joining.
The names of those who died during the ritual are kept in archives In Weisshaupt.


Well R2s Muse is quicker than me!

[R2s Muse]

LOL Sorry Reznore, didn't know you were on!

[Danny Boy 7]

I wonder if Stroud/Alistair/Nathaniel were the Warden-Constables of Ferelden (depending on your choices)

[CrazyRah]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

I'm thinking something like that aswell, that she might be one of the first Wardens. It just "feel" right from what was revealed here. It possibly explain a lot of things like you mention.

Now i can't wait until i get my hands on my copy!

[The Elder King]

Thanks Reznore57 (and R2sMuse)!

[R2s Muse]

hhh89 wrote...

Thanks Reznore57 (and R2sMuse)!

My pleasure!

I find it really interesting that distance communication is so uncommon that its lack effectively isolates the Wardens from each other and from their superiors.

[Reznore57]

Well it's funny how losing Gryphons changed the order ...
The First Warden/High Constable/Chamberlain ...are probably bored to death.
I mean the Anderfels sucks...very pious people ...desert everywhere.
It seems they have very good artist sculptors (If i read correctly , they have a huge Andraste face on a rock?) , their sculpture are popular in Orlais ...
But it seems the dwarves who smuggle most of the art , steal all the coin.
I can imagine a lot of Emo over there ...just depression , no fun , and red sand.(and no more gryphons!)

[DragonMage95]

I have a theory that Flemeth is the daughter of Urthmiel. Perhaps being the daughter of an Old God made her possess some of the powers of an archdemon, but maybe she wasn't completely infected by the blight so her powers aren't as strong, maybe thats why she wanted the old god baby. Perhaps with her power and the power the OGB can have can make her as strong as an Archdemon,maybe even stronger.

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well it's funny how losing Gryphons changed the order ...
The First Warden/High Constable/Chamberlain ...are probably bored to death.
I mean the Anderfels sucks...very pious people ...desert everywhere.
It seems they have very good artist sculptors (If i read correctly , they have a huge Andraste face on a rock?) , their sculpture are popular in Orlais ...
But it seems the dwarves who smuggle most of the art , steal all the coin.
I can imagine a lot of Emo over there ...just depression , no fun , and red sand.(and no more gryphons!)

LOL Good point. Yeah, Anderfels no longer seeming like the most brilliant place to locate your headquarters.

[Stella-Arc]

Anything interesting about the elves? I won't get to read mine until after I graduate.

[Kidd]

Reznore57 wrote...

Chamberlain of the Grey:
Senior Archivist ,responsible for maintaining correspondence between all the Warden Commanders at the behest of the first warden.(I guess he's kind of a glorified postman...)

I love your snarky little additions all over the place! 

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

"if a archdemon possess another body it can turn it into an high dragon form....How strange, shapeshifting."

what's it Flemeth is archdemon.

Yeah, it seems likely she's the first Old God Baby. It seems likely she is going to be revealed to be Andraste, the Somniari Blood Mage OGB of the First Blight. That's been my theory for a while, though it also seemed to slant towards Fen'Harel or some other Dalish connection.

I agree that Andraste was likely a mage, and possibly a Somniari, but I'm disinclined to believe that she was a blood mage AND an OGB in addition.  Her being a powerful mage would be a sweet bit of narrative irony.  Being ALL those things turns that bit of classic narrative irony into an amateurish attempt bordering on the absurd. 

Don't see why you consider it likely that Flemeth would turn out to be Andraste, though.  I think it's likely that Andraste was a mage, true, and I think Flemeth is connected with the Old Gods somehow (my pet theory has always been that she's Fen'Harel, and that she sealed away the Elven Gods for some reason ultimately to the Elves' benefit), but I've always thought they were two separate persons.  What's your reasoning for them being one and the same, again?

ETA: By the way, there's someone in the Choices, conquences, and the Mage/templar war thread who find the theory about Anraste being an OGB quite intriguing, in case you wanna present your idea over there.

Modifié par Silfren, 21 avril 2013 - 07:09 .

[The Six Path of Pain]

 AWESOME...Didn't realize The World of Thedas was out alreday^_^Going to have to pick up a copy ASAP!

[Silfren]

azarhal wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...


THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

[snip]
They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

You know, Genitivi's codex entries are always borderline Chantry propaganda. How does he knows that the Inquisition's member believed, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the anwser? It happened 920 years ago.

Presumably through whatever primary, secondary, and tertiary sources he was able to find, the very same way that real world historians try to piece together evidence to determine the opinions and attitudes of historical persons from centuries past.  Granted, the statemement you refer to is speculative, but it's not unlike something any number of actual scholars do in the real world.  I agree it's rather inappropriate, but such statements are not necessarily without an evidentiary basis. 
I don't think his entries ever have been borderline Chantry propaganda, actually.  He's sympathetic to the Chantry, yes, and that does color his entries, but he also has a  tendency to acknowledge Chantry propaganda for what it is.  No historian is ever totally without bias, but Genitivi strikes me as being in that class of scholars who are conscious of their personal bias and work as objectively as they can despite it.

[Silfren]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

 AWESOME...Didn't realize The World of Thedas was out alreday^_^Going to have to pick up a copy ASAP!

Can't wait to get mine, either, but I'll be getting the Kindle version, which isn't out till the 30th, damn it all!

ETA: Or May 1, apparently.  Two days ago it was the 30th...

Modifié par Silfren, 21 avril 2013 - 07:11 .

[R2s Muse]

Silfren wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...


THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

[snip]
They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

You know, Genitivi's codex entries are always borderline Chantry propaganda. How does he knows that the Inquisition's member believed, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the anwser? It happened 920 years ago.

Presumably through whatever primary, secondary, and tertiary sources he was able to find, the very same way that real world historians try to piece together evidence to determine the opinions and attitudes of historical persons from centuries past.  Granted, the statemement you refer to is speculative, but it's not unlike something any number of actual scholars do in the real world.  I agree it's rather inappropriate, but such statements are not necessarily without an evidentiary basis. 
I don't think his entries ever have been borderline Chantry propaganda, actually.  He's sympathetic to the Chantry, yes, and that does color his entries, but he also has a  tendency to acknowledge Chantry propaganda for what it is.  No historian is ever totally without bias, but Genitivi strikes me as being in that class of scholars who are conscious of their personal bias and work as objectively as they can despite it.

It's funny you say this, because in WoT, Genetivi has a whole entry where he specifically talks about his bias and apologizes for his slightly Chantry-centric focus. I thought it was kind of a nice addition to address this head on.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Silfren wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

 AWESOME...Didn't realize The World of Thedas was out alreday^_^Going to have to pick up a copy ASAP!

Can't wait to get mine, either, but I'll be getting the Kindle version, which isn't out till the 30th, damn it all!

ETA: Or May 1, apparently.  Two days ago it was the 30th...

Get Raped lol...I'll be buying a hardcover copy myself.I aways enjoy actually being able to hold the things I own