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[Silfren]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

 AWESOME...Didn't realize The World of Thedas was out alreday^_^Going to have to pick up a copy ASAP!

Can't wait to get mine, either, but I'll be getting the Kindle version, which isn't out till the 30th, damn it all!

ETA: Or May 1, apparently.  Two days ago it was the 30th...

[/quote]Get Raped lol...I'll be buying a hardcover copy myself.I aways enjoy actually being able to hold the things I own 

Niiiiice.

Modifié par Silfren, 21 avril 2013 - 07:40 .

[omegamantis113]

MarcusR16 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

Yeah, Korcari Wilds are in completely another part of Thedas than Par Vollen. And to add that they have no connection to the seawater(maybe a frozen sea path)?Chasind could tell us more about that.

Airships? Zeppelins? flying mounts?
Why would they be there? This is before the Koslun brough them the Qun doctrine right?

Female Kossith(needed for brood mothers) must have been present too so not a war band.

Modifié par omegamantis113, 21 avril 2013 - 07:47 .

[Daerog]

The Korcari Wilds does have rivers, and it is pretty large and stretches out toward the coast.

Edit:

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 21 avril 2013 - 07:56 .

[Heimdall]

omegamantis113 wrote...

MarcusR16 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

Yeah, Korcari Wilds are in completely another part of Thedas than Par Vollen. And to add that they have no connection to the seawater(maybe a frozen sea path)?Chasind could tell us more about that.

Airships? Zeppelins? flying mounts?
Why would they be there? This is before the Koslun brough them the Qun doctrine right?

Female Kossith(needed for brood mothers) must have been present too so not a war band.

Explorers?  Migrants fleeing the Qun?  Theoretically, the Easternmost part of the wilds does border the sea, I believe.

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Silfren wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...


THE FIRST INQUISITION , by Brother Genitivi.

[snip]
They believed themselves good people , however, and followers of the Maker's true commandments.This was never more evident than when they laid down their own banner in support of the fledgling Chantry.
They believe, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the answer a desperate Thedas needed most in a terrible time.
Ultimately ,the Inquisition was composed of independant idealists and not Chantry zealots , and that is the truth.

You know, Genitivi's codex entries are always borderline Chantry propaganda. How does he knows that the Inquisition's member believed, with all their heart, that the Templar Order was the anwser? It happened 920 years ago.

Presumably through whatever primary, secondary, and tertiary sources he was able to find, the very same way that real world historians try to piece together evidence to determine the opinions and attitudes of historical persons from centuries past.  Granted, the statemement you refer to is speculative, but it's not unlike something any number of actual scholars do in the real world.  I agree it's rather inappropriate, but such statements are not necessarily without an evidentiary basis. 
I don't think his entries ever have been borderline Chantry propaganda, actually.  He's sympathetic to the Chantry, yes, and that does color his entries, but he also has a  tendency to acknowledge Chantry propaganda for what it is.  No historian is ever totally without bias, but Genitivi strikes me as being in that class of scholars who are conscious of their personal bias and work as objectively as they can despite it.

It's funny you say this, because in WoT, Genetivi has a whole entry where he specifically talks about his bias and apologizes for his slightly Chantry-centric focus. I thought it was kind of a nice addition to address this head on.

I'm curious, is he and Petrine the primary "writers" or have others joined?

[Danny Boy 7]

omegamantis113 wrote...

MarcusR16 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

Yeah, Korcari Wilds are in completely another part of Thedas than Par Vollen. And to add that they have no connection to the seawater(maybe a frozen sea path)?Chasind could tell us more about that.

Airships? Zeppelins? flying mounts?
Why would they be there? This is before the Koslun brough them the Qun doctrine right?

Female Kossith(needed for brood mothers) must have been present too so not a war band.

Presumably they could have been exiles, explorers or simply gotten lost on their way to another country. They land and then at some point during the First Blight are taken by the Darkspawn and turned into Broodmothers. I mean they only need one right? Boom goes the Ogres.

How long do Darkspawn live though, Corypheus (sp?) aside they could live forever or live for as long as a dog.

[Heimdall]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

omegamantis113 wrote...

MarcusR16 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

15 years before the first Blight , it seems a group of Kossith land in the Korcari wilds ,and ...it just explains ogre.(I'm not really a big fan of this explanation , it really feel like "damn we never really thought about ogre origin!" but anyway...at least it's there.)

Okay, I'll bite, how the hell could they land in the Korcari Wilds? There's no friggin' sea/river channels there and what lies beyond the Wilds is all a frozen tundra!

Yeah, Korcari Wilds are in completely another part of Thedas than Par Vollen. And to add that they have no connection to the seawater(maybe a frozen sea path)?Chasind could tell us more about that.

Airships? Zeppelins? flying mounts?
Why would they be there? This is before the Koslun brough them the Qun doctrine right?

Female Kossith(needed for brood mothers) must have been present too so not a war band.

Presumably they could have been exiles, explorers or simply gotten lost on their way to another country. They land and then at some point during the First Blight are taken by the Darkspawn and turned into Broodmothers. I mean they only need one right? Boom goes the Ogres.

How long do Darkspawn live though, Corypheus (sp?) aside they could live forever or live for as long as a dog.

I think the taint sustains them somehow.  I mean, the Architect has shown no signs of aging either.

[Daerog]

Probably depends on the darkspawn, there was that Ancient Darkspawn in DA:O.

[Silfren]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

How long do Darkspawn live though, Corypheus (sp?) aside they could live forever or live for as long as a dog.

Forever, barring violent death, I think.  They don't need sustenance because the taint keeps them alive. 

[The Six Path of Pain]

Silfren wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

 AWESOME...Didn't realize The World of Thedas was out alreday^_^Going to have to pick up a copy ASAP!

Can't wait to get mine, either, but I'll be getting the Kindle version, which isn't out till the 30th, damn it all!

ETA: Or May 1, apparently.  Two days ago it was the 30th...

[/quote]Get Raped lol...I'll be buying a hardcover copy myself.I aways enjoy actually being able to hold the things I own 

Niiiiice.

Was about to tell you something that would have blown your fragile little mind about my friend who got me saying"Get Raped",but you blocked me and now you'll never know it.So with that I say peace 

[Silfren]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

Wasn't the First Blight over 100 years? I imagine SOMEONE realized the Archdemon would keep reviving.

That said, how would they come up with the Joining (like you said), how did Flemeth come up with the Dark Ritual in the first place and why does it need a Grey Warden so badly?

The first Blight was almost 200 years.  i don't see what's confusing here.  If the archdemon's soul is jumping into darkspawn and not morphing it it's going to a) take people a long time to realize what's happening, and going to take them a while to figure out which darkspawn is the one to kill.  It's been accepted for years now that when the archdemon jumps into a new body, it turns that body into a dragon. 

That's what people are saying:  The first Blight, it took a long time for people to figure out the details.  They certainly wouldn't have just come up with any ideas spontaneously.  That's almost certainly why the Blight raged for almost two centuries before people had the knowledge to figure out not only what was going on and why, but how to counter it.

[Danny Boy 7]

Silfren wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

This does make me thing that Flemeth could possibly be one of the first "Grey Wardens".

Think about it, I doubt they knew drinking darkspawn blood gave them super powers and I doubt they knew the first Archdemon would constantly revive. In addition, it explains Flemeth's motives in keeping the Old God Baby.

Wasn't the First Blight over 100 years? I imagine SOMEONE realized the Archdemon would keep reviving.

That said, how would they come up with the Joining (like you said), how did Flemeth come up with the Dark Ritual in the first place and why does it need a Grey Warden so badly?

The first Blight was almost 200 years.  i don't see what's confusing here.  If the archdemon's soul is jumping into darkspawn and not morphing it it's going to a) take people a long time to realize what's happening, and going to take them a while to figure out which darkspawn is the one to kill.  It's been accepted for years now that when the archdemon jumps into a new body, it turns that body into a dragon. 

That's what people are saying:  The first Blight, it took a long time for people to figure out the details.  They certainly wouldn't have just come up with any ideas spontaneously.  That's almost certainly why the Blight raged for almost two centuries before people had the knowledge to figure out not only what was going on and why, but how to counter it.

I was just replying to his comment about them not knowing whether the Archdemon would constantly revive. I basically said what you did in A and B, I was just saying it because I'd imagine Flemeth if she even existed around this time would have done it much sooner. Provided she even had a chance.

[uknowitbeb]

Is anyone planning to update the wiki? Just wondering.

[Vespasian 91]

Nice so there are other Thaigs? also sounds like Kal Sharok has access to the surface.

Is there anything new about Orzammar?


Thank you

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

BLOOD MAGIC IS EVIL!

Sure, you could use the lifeforce of a man condemned to death to heal a dying father of three but we're still talking about magic powered by violence and death. IT'S EVIIIIIL!

Well, it's not powered by violence and death. It's just given a power boost.

[lil yonce]

^Evil.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wulfram wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

What exactly was whitewashed about Gentivis' entry? He outright said that Thedas under the rule of the first inquisition was "a reign of terror." That doesn't sound like whitewashing to me.

Are you saying that he whitewashed them by calling them "independent idealists who thougt they were doing the right thing?" Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. You can't write a realistic/belivable villian if they don't think they're doing the right thing (see Loghain, Meredith, etc). 

Genitivi presents them as a bunch of awesome types administering even handed justice, who are only disliked because they were too honourable.  "Reign of terror" is only brought up to be refuted.

The whole thing could be summed up as "Please ignore the Codex from the previous game"

Or it could be read as an explanation as to why the Inquisition was both hated and feared, while also elaborating on the truth behind the organization. It can also be used to explain why some people might treat the Inquisitor with disdain.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Was about to tell you something that would have blown your fragile little mind about my friend who got me saying <something nasty>,but you blocked me and now you'll never know it.So with that I say peace 

Or you can just stop saying it, since you now know not everyone here shares your sense of hilarity over using that as a throw-away comment. It's not difficult.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 22 avril 2013 - 12:24 .

[rapscallioness]

I can't wait to get this book. What an awesome lore reference book. Nice to have something "word of god" and all in one place for those particular questions.

I wonder abt Flemeth, tho. I don't understand how she could be Andraste. Their back stories are very different.

Flemeth became Flemeth cuz of those 2 men that wanted her. Her lover/husband was killed, she turned to demons for revenge on sum high lord....and apparently a super demon showed up. She even says at one point that this was how it "all" started.

I never understood if that "all" was just her new life as a...demon? Or, "all" as in blight and various connected catastrophe?

And Andraste didn't have 2 lovers fighting over her, etc.

Also, that bit abt shapeshifting. I wonder if the Old Gods looked like something else when the darkspawn first find them?

Then perhaps they shapeshift into a dragon form after being awakened by the darkspawn. It's supposed to be very horrible for the Old Gods to be awakened by the spawn. "Horror and torture". Maybe the dragon form just best expresses this.

[Harlequin2]

rapscallioness wrote...

And Andraste didn't have 2 lovers fighting over her, etc.

Actually, they often talk about how her real husband and the Maker were in dispute. In the end the former (a general of some sort) betrayed her and had her killed rather than let her be married to the Maker. If that's not fighting over her then I don't know what is.

That's not to say that Flemeth is Andraste though. Flemeth sounds more like an Old God Baby (maybe the first) and there were those people who saw Andy's spirit in the fade.

My personal theory on Flemeth? Old God Baby and never knew it. The two lovers thing goes down and she asks for help. Ultra-demon realises what a steal this is (Possess an old god? Yes please!) and pushes the other spirits out of the queue to get into the body first. Flemeth goes bonkers but after the dust settles, realises what she is and learns to bend the demon to her will.
Probably not right, but it sounds fun and it fits for now.

[MisterJB]

R2s Muse wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Well it's funny how losing Gryphons changed the order ...
The First Warden/High Constable/Chamberlain ...are probably bored to death.
I mean the Anderfels sucks...very pious people ...desert everywhere.
It seems they have very good artist sculptors (If i read correctly , they have a huge Andraste face on a rock?) , their sculpture are popular in Orlais ...
But it seems the dwarves who smuggle most of the art , steal all the coin.
I can imagine a lot of Emo over there ...just depression , no fun , and red sand.(and no more gryphons!)

LOL Good point. Yeah, Anderfels no longer seeming like the most brilliant place to locate your headquarters.

Given the suggestion that darkspawn are more common than bandits in the Anderfels, I assume that is where they are most needed inbetween Bligths.

[The Hierophant]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I have a suspicion that some of those Nevarran mages might be necrophiliacs.

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes for a "female Mortalitasi companion for LI" thread to pop up?

Ugh...

[rapscallioness]

Harlequin2 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

And Andraste didn't have 2 lovers fighting over her, etc.

Actually, they often talk about how her real husband and the Maker were in dispute. In the end the former (a general of some sort) betrayed her and had her killed rather than let her be married to the Maker. If that's not fighting over her then I don't know what is.

That's not to say that Flemeth is Andraste though. Flemeth sounds more like an Old God Baby (maybe the first) and there were those people who saw Andy's spirit in the fade.

My personal theory on Flemeth? Old God Baby and never knew it. The two lovers thing goes down and she asks for help. Ultra-demon realises what a steal this is (Possess an old god? Yes please!) and pushes the other spirits out of the queue to get into the body first. Flemeth goes bonkers but after the dust settles, realises what she is and learns to bend the demon to her will.
Probably not right, but it sounds fun and it fits for now.

wow. well, if we have an OGB now, i sure hope morrigan is giving it a heads up abt that kinda thing.

but what exactly does the dark ritual take to happen? a warden? anyone w/just enuff taint? who would be flemeth's...parents?

[rapscallioness]

also, i thought mafarath(?) was actually jealous of andraste's power and influence. he made a good deal w/tevinter; stop the war--get some good territory. in return he betrayed andraste.