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[Ianamus]

I don't think the inquisition "white-washing" is anything like Cerberus, because it was really only an incredibly small piece of codex info that was already of questionable source to begin with, while Cerberus were actually encountered in-game and in Shepard's backstory. you can't really compare them.

If Flemeth is an OGB I'd imagine it would be from the second blight, because as far as I'm aware the second blight contained the only female Old God/archdemon. I know that the new body wouldn't necessarily have to be the same gender, but Morrigan's child is a boy and It seems very likely -- particularly if Flemeth chooses the body's she inhabits-- that she would choose those of her original gender.

[R2s Muse]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph. Does the Inquisition whitewashing remind anyone of Cerberus in ME2? Will the next game after DAI re-retcon things and make it all super-dark with the whitewashing having been propaganda?

Really, Bioware, stick to your lore and trust it. It'll work for players if you keep things consistent.

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to the book. Damned intercontinental shipping times...

Which whitewashing? THe Inquisition isn't being white washed. They are elaborating upon a single codex entry we had, on an otherwise not encoutnered faction.

While I can't argue anything about it being related to Cerberus, they whitewashed them to the point of being entirely pure and good and the only reason they were considered to be deserving of a "reign of terror" title is because they were punishing people equally.

No organization of people is comprised of 100% pure and good people. And yet that's what Genitivi's account is trying to make them sound like.

It's one thing to say "Their badness is blown way out of proportion. Here's the truth folks" and another to say "These guys are so misunderstood! They're so damn awesome!"

That's what I'm fearing, indeed. I haven't got the book yet, so I can't judge for myself yet, but is this account meant to be authoritative? After all, it is in-world information and could be propaganda.

I think it's as authoritative as any codex entry, in that it's attributed to Genetivi, in a sidebar as opposed to the main text, and he has acknowledged his own potential biases (in a separate sidebar). My own take on it isn't that we should assume that all the 'reign of terror' stuff is wrong, and the Seekers aka the Inquisition were sterling and good, but that we now have cause to doubt who really was good. If the history books could be wrong, then the Inquisition name and background are ripe for co-optation by any new group that wants to assume that name and then spin themselves as good or bad or whatever.  I also suspect that this entry, by stressing the group's impartiality, is trying to assuage fan fears of having to be aligned with templars/Chantry/etc.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 avril 2013 - 11:52 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

EJ107 wrote...

If Flemeth is an OGB I'd imagine it would be from the second blight, because as far as I'm aware the second blight contained the only female Old God/archdemon. I know that the new body wouldn't necessarily have to be the same gender, but Morrigan's child is a boy and It seems very likely -- particularly if Flemeth chooses the body's she inhabits-- that she would choose those of her original gender.

as i know, all known 7 Old God dragons are male exept Zazikel, dragon of Secon Blight who was slayed by Tevinter Grey Warden Corin(and we not know about what he die or not).

..and you right about gender nessesarily even Corinpheus not care about this

ok , we  have some chance for Dark rituals and OGB, 

1)we not know what happening to the first Tevinter Grey Warden who slayed Dumat.

2)Zazikel were slayed by Tevinter Grey Warden Corin with help of Neriah and we too not know what happening to him

3)and we not know what happening to Tevinter Grey Warden unnamed mage who slayed Toth

4)we now that Elven Grey Warden WARRIOR(non-mage) Garahel died after killing Andoral but even this would be because of

"a great wave of energy surged out from the beast. was enough to level what buildings were not already destroyed by the endless battle we had fought, enough to knock horses and Ogres aside as if they were little more than parchment. Even at my distance, the force struck me like the blast of some great storm."

"A great pillar of energy rushed up into the dark clouds, the blackness that had gathered with the horde and blocked out all glimmer of hope. When we stood again, we saw the first rays of sunshine peeking through those clouds and we let out such a cheer of joy and relief that it shook the very earth. I joined the others as we searched for Garahel, but as the eve approached all I found was his enchanted helm. It was not until much later that I heard his body had been retrieved, flung to the far side of the battlefield by the Archdemon's death throes. My friend, this elf who helped us unite the lands and cleanse Thedas of the darkspawn scourge will always be remembered. I swear it.—Excerpt from a letter written by the Grey Warden Prosper, 5:24 Exalted"

5)and our unknown gender/race/class Grey warden(or Alister/Logain) could do Dark Ritual with Morrigan

and as we know Flemet(it may be several powefull mages like she/he in Thedas), Javana, Morrigan is not only witches in Thedas  who possed such knoledge

.....so we have A POSSIBILITY of 3 or even 5 OGB(other 2 known dragons, for now is not found by darkspawns.)

but i am sure that Andraste not be OGB, because srly do you think that witches allowed her poor life, Tevinter slavery, and being bride(i still think that she's mindcontroll him) of some old non-mage barbarian chief and after her execution? 

ok, may be she was young/naive/stupid and ran away from witches and she wanted to reclaim her worshipping as Old God in Thedas and Tevinter, but no one unfortunately listen her(some random magister: srly little girl you are a Old God Dumat? hmm ok, let go and find some "golden necklace and bracelets" for you my sweetie "goddess")

and she was a slave in Tevinter and after she ran away and have and found bearded chief Maferat and his barbarians..

.and for some(ok, Tevinters fo 200 years abandon worshiping to Old Gods) reasons Magisters and Archont was quicly deafeted her and execute(for some reasons Archont himself cut her head)

so really this is sound a bit silly  that she was OGB

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 22 avril 2013 - 12:38 .

[Palidane]

LobselVith8 wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

^^

That is true, but I feel it still does not hold water. The ghosts in the Gauntlet are more interactive than the ghosts in the Deep Roads. They are more memories and do not interact with you save when you loot the Legion of the Dead tomb. Maferath even goes on to act independently when you tell him you don't know the answer to his question, letting you pass.

If it didn't hold water, the lyrium wall wouldn't be provided as an alternative explanation. If it was irrefutable proof of divinity, then the non-Andrastian Warden and companions would've been persuaded, rather than unimpressed. If the characters don't find it convincing, then I don't see why I should.

This makes no sense. Just because Oghren says there's Lyrium in the walls doesn't make it a good explanation, or invalidate all the blatantly supernatural stuff we just saw. Sten has been indoctrinated in the Qun his entire life and is ignorant about magic and it's limits. Oghren probably is too, and he doesn't realize how surreal all this stuff is. Morrigan is an egotistical psychopath who wouldn't admit the Chantry was right about something if the Maker smited her himself.

Why would you base your beliefs on other people's anyway?

Modifié par Palidane, 22 avril 2013 - 02:52 .

[Vilegrim]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.

They are, but apply it to Flemeth who was capable of the same thing and it raises questions and brings some (possible) answers. It was said in the First Blight codex that the Archdemon would possess a Darkspawn corpse and mold it to its will.

Flemeth is capable of morphing her human form into a High Dragon form, same as an Archdemon can do to Darkspawn.

But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Indeed

one of said questions: We know a tainted Old God possess dark spawn..what does an untainted one possess? 

[Silfren]

Vilegrim wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.

They are, but apply it to Flemeth who was capable of the same thing and it raises questions and brings some (possible) answers. It was said in the First Blight codex that the Archdemon would possess a Darkspawn corpse and mold it to its will.

Flemeth is capable of morphing her human form into a High Dragon form, same as an Archdemon can do to Darkspawn.

But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Indeed

one of said questions: We know a tainted Old God possess dark spawn..what does an untainted one possess? 

We don't know that they would possess anything.  I've always understood that it's the taint that enables the archdemon's soul to possess the nearest tainted creature: not as an act of conscious will but just something that happens because of the taint being present.  I'd always figured that if the Old Gods were able to be found by non-tainted beings and killed prior to being exposed to the taint, they would simply die.

[azarhal]

Silfren wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.

They are, but apply it to Flemeth who was capable of the same thing and it raises questions and brings some (possible) answers. It was said in the First Blight codex that the Archdemon would possess a Darkspawn corpse and mold it to its will.

Flemeth is capable of morphing her human form into a High Dragon form, same as an Archdemon can do to Darkspawn.

But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Indeed

one of said questions: We know a tainted Old God possess dark spawn..what does an untainted one possess? 

We don't know that they would possess anything.  I've always understood that it's the taint that enables the archdemon's soul to possess the nearest tainted creature: not as an act of conscious will but just something that happens because of the taint being present.  I'd always figured that if the Old Gods were able to be found by non-tainted beings and killed prior to being exposed to the taint, they would simply die.

We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

[Vilegrim]

azarhal wrote...



We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

[LobselVith8]

Palidane wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If it didn't hold water, the lyrium wall wouldn't be provided as an alternative explanation. If it was irrefutable proof of divinity, then the non-Andrastian Warden and companions would've been persuaded, rather than unimpressed. If the characters don't find it convincing, then I don't see why I should.

This makes no sense. Just because Oghren says there's Lyrium in the walls doesn't make it a good explanation, or invalidate all the blatantly supernatural stuff we just saw.

It's offered as another explanation by the developers. I'm not certain how you can claim it makes no sense when it's the alternative view provided by the creators. The point is, it's not irrefutable proof of divinity. And as Morrigan notes to Leliana, magic and spirts don't require a higher power or some intelligent design behind it.

Palidane wrote...

Sten has been indoctrinated in the Qun his entire life and is ignorant about magic and it's limits. Oghren probably is too, and he doesn't realize how surreal all this stuff is. Morrigan is an egotistical psychopath who wouldn't admit the Chantry was right about something if the Maker smited her himself.

You're really stretching things (including the characters) to explain why none of the events in the temple persuaded the non-Andrastian companions or The Warden who doesn't believe in the Maker. I don't see why you're so determined to canonize the Andrastian view when there's evidence to disprove it.

Palidane wrote...

Why would you base your beliefs on other people's anyway?

If what these characters are seeing isn't miraculous or persuasive, then it isn't indisputable proof of divinity.

[Dagr88]

azarhal wrote...
We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

There is still not explained what taint actually is.

Are darkspawn hunting or rescuing Old Gods?
If rescuing: What is the point of getting tainted?
If hunting: Who is the lead hunter? (Elven god of sun/vengeance?)

Or taint is just otherworldly dark chaotic miasma?

Modifié par Dagr88, 22 avril 2013 - 06:41 .

[azarhal]

Vilegrim wrote...

azarhal wrote...



We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

But according to DAII, Flemeth can recreate her body out of a little piece of her soul in an amulet on a Mythal's altar using an elven rite for the departed. She doesn't even needs a fresh body to achieve that feat...

[Asdrubael Vect]

Dagr88 wrote...

azarhal wrote...
We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

There is still not explained what taint actually is.

Are darkspawn hunting or rescuing Old Gods?
If rescuing: What is the point of getting tainted?
If hunting: Who is the lead hunter? (Elven god of sun/vengeance?)

Or taint is just otherworldly dark chaotic miasma?

1)because of taint Archdemon cant die and just moves into a new body of some random darkspawn who later would shapeshift into dragon

but after 90 years of First Blight Tevinter blood mages found a weapon and create Grey Wardens who deafited Dumat and seal tainted Magisters

and Old God worchiping found a way to save Old Gods from taint and making Dark Ritual...and we may have 3 or even 5 OGB

2)maybe ancient elven soul revenge for Arlathan, stealing magic and immortality of their descendants and invading into Black city...or maybe some of Old Gods thing for rulling the world...or demon stuff for invading to Thedas

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 22 avril 2013 - 07:05 .

[Dagr88]

2 Mayor games, several smaller ones, novels, comics, and there is still more questions than answers.

One of the reasons I like DA universe so much.

Keep up the good work... I think...

Modifié par Dagr88, 22 avril 2013 - 07:12 .

[Nerevar-as]

azarhal wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

azarhal wrote...



We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

But according to DAII, Flemeth can recreate her body out of a little piece of her soul in an amulet on a Mythal's altar using an elven rite for the departed. She doesn't even needs a fresh body to achieve that feat...

But that body is still the same age as the original, so she needs to do something about age.

I wonder what will happen for players who didn´t kill her.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Nerevar-as wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

azarhal wrote...



We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

But according to DAII, Flemeth can recreate her body out of a little piece of her soul in an amulet on a Mythal's altar using an elven rite for the departed. She doesn't even needs a fresh body to achieve that feat...

But that body is still the same age as the original, so she needs to do something about age.

I wonder what will happen for players who didn´t kill her.

i  think that this body from 1 piece(piece of her old body, so that the answer why she is still old) is for some days/weaks.
..and the place when she was resurrected is a very special and really rare...remember that this mountain contains a lot of Lyrium and thousand corpses of many killed slaves for blood magic rituals

and she was on the graves/areas for dreaming of Ancient elves

if player did not killed her so morrigan did

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 22 avril 2013 - 07:44 .

[Palidane]

LobselVith8 wrote...
It's offered as another explanation by the developers. I'm not certain how you can claim it makes no sense when it's the alternative view provided by the creators. The point is, it's not irrefutable proof of divinity. And as Morrigan notes to Leliana, magic and spirts don't require a higher power or some intelligent design behind it.

It is the off-hand observation of Oghren, which you only hear if you did Orzammar before the Gauntlet and if you brought him along. Bioware did probably throw that in there as an alternative explanation, but just because that was its intended purpose doesn't mean it actually does it's job well.

Also, the magic in the Gauntlet was much of anything we've seen before.

You're really stretching things (including the characters) to explain why none of the events in the temple persuaded the non-Andrastian companions or The Warden who doesn't believe in the Maker. I don't see why you're so determined to canonize the Andrastian view when there's evidence to disprove it.

The Warden is out of this completely, he is not an in-universe character. As for the rest, I can only assume the dev's didn't want to make a plot point out of it, and would rather write Oghren having a bunch of drunken escapades than Oghren struggling with belief, and the unknowable etc etc.

Also, how and where has Andrastianism been disproved?

If what these characters are seeing isn't miraculous or persuasive, then it isn't indisputable proof of divinity.

I've never said the Gauntlet and the creatures therein are indisputable proof of the Maker's divinity. All I'm trying to say is that if you don't believe in the Maker, you have to come up with another explanation for the Gauntlet, and I don't think "the shiny blue rocks of pure death made some healing dust" is going to cut it.

Modifié par Palidane, 22 avril 2013 - 08:44 .

[Silfren]

discosuperfly wrote...

Silfren wrote...

discosuperfly wrote...

Didn't Gaider already say somewhere that it wasn't possible for Flemeth to be Andraste because of some conflict in the time period in which they lived?

Why? It never stopped him before. 

Him who? And why so snide?And if I had the quote I wouldn't have asked the question. I believe it was a tweet but it was a while back and my memory isn't what it used to be.

I wasn't being snide; I was making a lighthearted jab at the fact that the timeline's been borked so many times I see no reason why it would impede Gaider from writing Flemeth as Andraste.  At least I was trying to.  Certainly I wasn't aiming for snide. 

[Silfren]

azarhal wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"It seems violence or death makes blood magic spell more powerful..."

AH!

THE REVEAL.

Maybe they are talking about a darkspawn body.

They are, but apply it to Flemeth who was capable of the same thing and it raises questions and brings some (possible) answers. It was said in the First Blight codex that the Archdemon would possess a Darkspawn corpse and mold it to its will.

Flemeth is capable of morphing her human form into a High Dragon form, same as an Archdemon can do to Darkspawn.

But if it's a human body... then it creates questions.

Indeed

one of said questions: We know a tainted Old God possess dark spawn..what does an untainted one possess? 

We don't know that they would possess anything.  I've always understood that it's the taint that enables the archdemon's soul to possess the nearest tainted creature: not as an act of conscious will but just something that happens because of the taint being present.  I'd always figured that if the Old Gods were able to be found by non-tainted beings and killed prior to being exposed to the taint, they would simply die.

We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

I actually doubt that Flemeth is more powerful than archdemons or Old Gods; I think it's more a question of whether she is near to their level than the other way 'round.  Besides that, it's a mistake to assume that if they were near to her power level it would mean they have precisely the same abilities.  I maintain what I said before: I think the archdemons don't consciously leap from their dead body into the body of the nearest available tainted creature, but that it's an automatic process devoid of conscious action.

My pet theory about Flemeth has always been that she is Fen'Harel.  I'm not sure whether that would mean she is as powerful as Old Gods or moreso, or what, however.  Like a true Trickster I've been under the impression that her greatest power is simply her ability to deceive. 

[Silfren]

azarhal wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

azarhal wrote...
We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

Well, that's what Morrigan believed, but we don't actually know it to be the truth.  Flemeth herself alludes to the idea that it's just a story told about her--one that she claims to have perpetuated herself.

Modifié par Silfren, 22 avril 2013 - 09:35 .

[azarhal]

Silfren wrote...

azarhal wrote...

We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

I actually doubt that Flemeth is more powerful than archdemons or Old Gods; I think it's more a question of whether she is near to their level than the other way 'round.  Besides that, it's a mistake to assume that if they were near to her power level it would mean they have precisely the same abilities.  I maintain what I said before: I think the archdemons don't consciously leap from their dead body into the body of the nearest available tainted creature, but that it's an automatic process devoid of conscious action.

My pet theory about Flemeth has always been that she is Fen'Harel.  I'm not sure whether that would mean she is as powerful as Old Gods or moreso, or what, however.  Like a true Trickster I've been under the impression that her greatest power is simply her ability to deceive. 

I didn't mean more powerful, only that Flemeth was the most powerful living entity we had the chance to see in the game so far with the extend of her powers displayed. Also, we now known (thanks to World of Thedas) that one of her display of power (shapeshifting into a High Dragon) is shared with the Archdemons. So there is a similarities in abilities and I don't see why the untainted Old Gods couldn't do the same thing as they do when they are tainted beside controlling darkspawn (which require the taint-network).

[Nerevar-as]

Silfren wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

azarhal wrote...
We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

Except according to DA:O she does need to possess a bibdy to keep going, Morrigan was being groomed for the 'task'.

Well, that's what Morrigan believed, but we don't actually know it to be the truth.  Flemeth herself alludes to the idea that it's just a story told about her--one that she claims to have perpetuated herself.

She answers to one of the dialog options in a way that implies it´s true. More interesting is the fact she is expecting that move by Morrigan and the Warden from very early on, and she´s mostly fine with it. Can´t help thinking the fight was just to make a point about fighting for what you want.

[In Exile]

Palidane wrote...
It is the off-hand observation of Oghren, which you only hear if you did Orzammar before the Gauntlet and if you brought him along. Bioware did probably throw that in there as an alternative explanation, but just because that was its intended purpose doesn't mean it actually does it's job well.

Also, the magic in the Gauntlet was much of anything we've seen before.

Actually,we've seen exactly that kind of magic when the Veil is thin. It happend at Warden's Keep, and it happens (later) in DA:A during the excursion to that dwarf town. 

The ash wraiths look like a particular kind of demon, as well. It migh be that Bioware is just reclycling models - for the shades or whatever - but I think it's significant that we've seen magic as a possible explanation for everything short of the

I've never said the Gauntlet and the creatures therein are indisputable proof of the Maker's divinity. All I'm trying to say is that if you don't believe in the Maker, you have to come up with another explanation for the Gauntlet, and I don't think "the shiny blue rocks of pure death made some healing dust" is going to cut it.

But Lyrium has done similar things. And we've seen powerful demons (in the Fade) read hearts before. What the Guardian does is different because it's outside the Fade, but that doesn't mean it's somehow magical.

[Silfren]

azarhal wrote...

Silfren wrote...

azarhal wrote...

We have no example of untainted Old God. If they are anywhere close to Flemeth's level (the most powerful being seen so far) they don't need to possess anything, as long as a piece of their soul is somewhere they can recreate their bodies...

Maybe the taint makes them dumb or something.

I actually doubt that Flemeth is more powerful than archdemons or Old Gods; I think it's more a question of whether she is near to their level than the other way 'round.  Besides that, it's a mistake to assume that if they were near to her power level it would mean they have precisely the same abilities.  I maintain what I said before: I think the archdemons don't consciously leap from their dead body into the body of the nearest available tainted creature, but that it's an automatic process devoid of conscious action.

My pet theory about Flemeth has always been that she is Fen'Harel.  I'm not sure whether that would mean she is as powerful as Old Gods or moreso, or what, however.  Like a true Trickster I've been under the impression that her greatest power is simply her ability to deceive. 

I didn't mean more powerful, only that Flemeth was the most powerful living entity we had the chance to see in the game so far with the extend of her powers displayed. Also, we now known (thanks to World of Thedas) that one of her display of power (shapeshifting into a High Dragon) is shared with the Archdemons. So there is a similarities in abilities and I don't see why the untainted Old Gods couldn't do the same thing as they do when they are tainted beside controlling darkspawn (which require the taint-network).

Maybe I misunderstood, but I took the bit about archdemons to mean ONLY that when they possess a darkspawn, they turn it back into their own body--we've known that all along, actually, it isn't new; as I said, I've never thought this was a conscious power used by the archdemon but just the result of its dragonsoul entering a new body.  They don't shapeshift into dragons...they _are_ dragons.  So I don't think this alone means much.