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:Synthesis:
With synthesis, as it is explained, the change is a almost complete rewrite in the DNA of organics and a rewrite of synthetic programing. This Gives the ]Synthetics full Understanding of Organics and vise versa with Organics. This change also, in theory, brings the of eons of knowloedge stored in the reaper forms into light. This has the possibility of bringing amazing new advances in technology, both in the material and medical area along with understanding the universe even more. Although, it could be argued that the end does NOT justify the means. I Understand and see the argument that turning everyone basically half robot is very much nearly what they want. But I will not just use what the Catalyst has said because, yes he is clearly biased, being the first reaper AI essentailly.  I will instead refer to the Leviathan, A.K.A The First Apex Race. It said it created the reapers to control the Chaos between the organics and synthetics until a solution and comprimise can be reached where there will be no war with synthetics, thus no Organic vs. Synthetic chaos. Synthises can be this solution. This choice helps all synthetics understand organics fully and vise versa with the organics. This will prevent the conflict between the two based on the idea of syntheics vs. organics, howwever, war and fighting can still arise, as it most likley always will. It's the nature of the galaxy. But this war will not been seen as a war on synthetics vs. organics, simply a war over something, fought by for some government or some rich beauricrat. There is no more chaos between synthetics and organics then. Thus, the reapers mission is fulfilled. Their purpose for creation is solved. There is no reason for them to oppose or try to control this ending because it was what they were built and programed to go toward. This is there goal. Their previous solution, the Extiction Cycle no longer worked, therefore, Synthesis can be there new solution, one with much less death and destruction. Now, to adress the point on how it works. Let me put it to you this way, imagine the timeline of our Galaxy as a ruler. Our time period is about a cenimeter on that ruller, probably not even. Now, imagine the collective knowledge of about 3/4 of that ruler, about the time of the Leviathan's Period. That is a Massive amount of knowledge. Now, imagine the Cruicible. This device was first conceived about 3 cycles ago, as the Catalyst says, and yes I know he could be lying, but there really is no point for him to lie on this as far as I can see. And If it was built earlier, this would just further fuel my argument. Now, let's cycle had about the same amount of species as the current cycle witch is highly probable, considering evolution's patterns pointed out by the Prothean VI you encounter on Thessia. That's roughly around 10 species each cycle. The Crucible is the genius and product of about 40 Powerful and Inteligente Space Farring Species, if you count our cycles species as well. One species may know how to simply rewrite DNA, but takes massive amounts of power, Something reapers do very well. Imagine the entire Citadels power combined with the Crucible and then be able to bounce off the relays, also using their power, would that not explain how it could be transfered into the energy it is shown to be? That's a crude example but it makes my point. One or even a group of species perfecting one flaw of the device and adding new genius to, while each species adds it own genius to it over 3 Cycles plus the current Cycle, that's a tremendous amount of knowledge, knowledge of things we do not yet understand or have even discovered yet. The Crucible is the work of Every genius over Eons of time. While it may not be able to be fully explained in the breif contect within the game, I believe it is very possible that the Crucible can do what it does once combined with the Citadel. Now to adress the aspect of Is it Right? I Will Admit, There Are Some Downsides. This can destroy some much needed diversity and even culture in the universe which is a tragic loss I wish could be avoided. But it has the potential to jump us into a new Era of Peace and Freedom, a Chance to rebuild and then Continue On As We Please. The Wealth of Knowledge of Every Species is There Preserved in The Reapers, for us to take our time and try to Understand Fully.

Alright, That is my Argument, although I see it is missing some points that should be adressed. I Left some points out becuase I feel i would be able to adress them better if asked directly about them so if someone could ask about a certain Point in here or not, I Would Be More Than Happy To Answer. This is Just My Veiwpoint and I Would Not Dream of Pressuring it on Anyone Else and I Would Love To See Some People On The Other Side So I Have Two Sides of the Debate and Some People On My Side or Just People in the Middle to Comment or Ask a Question.
Thanks, Hope To Hear From Somebody Soon. :D

Modifié par Ser Conners, 21 avril 2013 - 12:25 .


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Sorry, I was trying to fix some spelling and writing errors and I started having trouble with the colour for a bit there.

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Didn't someone make this exact thread a few hours ago...?

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You could have just updated the OP of your original thread.

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Friendly comment: That would be a lot easier to read in paragraphs. And there seems to be a lot of unnecessary capitalisation.

Anyway...

My main issue with Synthesis is: The Galaxy didn't ask for this. I, as an individual, would be very upset to suddenly wake up with circuitry throughout my body that I didn't ask for. So I view it as bodily violation on a galactic scale.Yes, it's a solution to the Reapers problem - people will ask: Why do we care? Why does it matter what the Reapers want? What we want is for the Reapers to just leave us alone.

Destroy achieves that, but at high cost. Control also achieves it, if the Shep-AI decides to take the Reapers and leave. Synthesis only achieves it by acquiesing to the Reaper's wishes.

Also, there is some debate over whether the final choice comes from the Crucible (apparently just a giant power source, and the choice hubs do seem to be built into the Citadel) or the Catalyst (who up until now hadn't believed Synthesis to be possible). I personally come down on the side of believing that they came from the Crucible because it makes more sense, and fits with a minor detail in the cinematics (here), but I know that others disagree.

At the end of the day, we built the Crucible to end the war, not to usher in a new era. The Catalyst does say that Synthesis is 'inevitable' - I'd prefer that we get there on our own terms.

Modifié par JasonShepard, 21 avril 2013 - 12:42 .


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Yeah I Did, I Just Wanted To Start Fresh Because My Last Argument Was Really badly Thought OUt and Not Portrayed in the Way I Had Intended. 'BIt New To Posting in the Forums on Here To Be Honest.

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You keep capitalizing just about every word. Why?

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Alright I see your points. It is unfair that everyone, wether they want it or not, is turned into half robot essentially, I wish they could each have a choice to be honest but I digress. And Really, we did Build it to Usher in a new era, an era of unity and peace, and I'm not bending to what the reapers want, I'm saying why synthesis can achieve so much and be a great benifit. Every great change has it's downfalls, and Synthesis is not inevitable, that's just the Catalyst believing it's still in control.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You keep capitalizing just about every word. Why?


Gah, I know, I know, for some reason I started doing that and I have almost no idea why and it's a hard habit to shake, I'll try not to.

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It might mess with the way your words flow but other than that it isn't really a major problem.



On to the purpose of this thread:
I feel like Synthesis would have been a workable ending...in a different game. It's sprung at the last second, it's poorly explained, the Reaper leader thinks it is super cool, ect.

For those reasons and several other I have decided to omit I pick Destroy.

Refuse gets everyone killed. (Though Shepard's speech is pretty boss)

I don't trust anyone with the kind of power that Control gives Shreaper.

Sorry brobots your sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

It might mess with the way your words flow but other than that it isn't really a major problem.



On to the purpose of this thread:
I feel like Synthesis would have been a workable ending...in a different game. It's sprung at the last second, it's poorly explained, the Reaper leader thinks it is super cool, ect.

For those reasons and several other I have decided to omit I pick Destroy.

Refuse gets everyone killed. (Though Shepard's speech is pretty boss)

I don't trust anyone with the kind of power that Control gives Shreaper.

Sorry brobots your sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire.


I pretty mch fully agree with you, I wish that Synthesis was waaay better explained and I wish the Reapers didn't make it seem so bad. It needs more detail and understanding.

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If they had spent ME3 giving all three ending choices screen time it would have helped a lot.

Anderson, Javik, and Hackett are our destroy advocates.

TIM, and some non-villains would be our control advocates.

EDI, Legion, and a random third could advocate synthesis (Without involving the Reapers)

Then we get to glowboy and he informs us that lo and behold the three concepts the game has been kicking around are what the Crucible can do.

And instead of the Reaper leader glowboy could have just been a Vendetta style VI.

All of that put together would make for an ending scenario where a few of my Shepard's might just consider the green beam.

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I Think that is really well put. To be honest, all of the endings needed much more screen time than they were given. The extended cut added quite a bit, but not nearly enough. We want more arguments and debates presented in game like they have with the past two games. They really bungled the ending.

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Ser Conners wrote...

I Think that is really well put. To be honest, all of the endings needed much more screen time than they were given. The extended cut added quite a bit, but not nearly enough. We want more arguments and debates presented in game like they have with the past two games. They really bungled the ending.


I'm glad that we have been able to find some common ground.

I don't think I'd ever be able to like Synthesis in ME, but proper explanation and non-Reaper support would have made it a hell of a lot more palpable.

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Defiantly. I'm glad to see that there are people like you that are willing to civily debate things like this and understand that there will Always be Gray in The World.

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Ser Conners wrote...

Defiantly. I'm glad to see that there are people like you that are willing to civily debate things like this and understand that there will Always be Gray in The World.


Quite.

You might want to play through the Deus Ex series at some point if you haven't already.

It's the kind of universe where Synthesis actually works quite well as an ending concept.

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I began to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution after renting it for a while and got to China I believe then had to return it due to rent time constraints and haven't played it since. I Think I'll see if I can get my hands on it agian soon, thanks.

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I do not belive that the wealth of knowledge of every species is preserved in the Reapers. The whole idea is just silly.
The only thing preseverd inside the reapers is organic goo; DNA. But not knowledge, no signs of their way of life, their culture. Just DNA soup.

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anorling wrote...



I do not belive that the wealth of knowledge of every species is preserved in the Reapers. The whole idea is just silly.
The only thing preseverd inside the reapers is organic goo; DNA. But not knowledge, no signs of their way of life, their culture. Just DNA soup.

this

the culture and very existence of past species was lost when they were killed.  

or should i say slaughterd, by the reapers, the ones who say they are "preserving" life

#warped

#destroy

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anorling wrote...



I do not belive that the wealth of knowledge of every species is preserved in the Reapers. The whole idea is just silly.
The only thing preseverd inside the reapers is organic goo; DNA. But not knowledge, no sings of their way of life, their culture. Just DNA soup.


The Data and Knowledge is extracted from databases and whatever sources the Reapers find when they Harvest. This is told by Leviathan, The Catalsyt, Liara in certain dialouge and many other sources. They do in fact harvest the data as well as the people.

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The whole execution of synthesis makes me want to slam my head against a wall repeatedly, and then punch a hole through my own face. Idea is good, explanation and execution is just God awful.

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Haha Yeah That Sounds About Right Ruggly Rofl

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Synthesis is stupid.

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

Synthesis is stupid.


Gatta Love You, Just Drop in and With No Facts to Back it Up "It's Stupid". 

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OP, everyone wants,some need to be Apex. That's what all the fighting is about. It starts back with Levi thrall races. But even farther back, intellect via organic forum decides what and where they control what ever it takes to survive. Victims of evolution, guests in a large house they can barely understand.

IF you need technology to survive, eventually you will become the technology you depend on to be you.

That's the way it works with intellect, the 'body' is just a form of function, in time. All of the choices relies on the very technology they are intended alter to best suit the chooser, who actually has NO choices. Hard to relate to 'billions' of years. Impossible to fore tell. AS ageless the Leviathan were, they still 'required' technology to understand the necessities of evolution, an why it relies so heavily on destruction. Their project it's self was part of the their problem. The nature of the thing.

To simplify it, we could just say that when technology needs you, you are the technology, simply, synthesis. The manner in which it's accomplished is moot, as with most things Apex, there is only the benefits vs. dependencies. Values and their tests in deep space. Survival of/with evolution, apparently.

note: by actually playing the game and choosing, you've already chosen a lesser form of synthesis. That's the humorous, but nifty 'catch 22', as it's not necessary for survival, IS it?